Packs of robots to hunt down uncooperative humans

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Postby Canadian_watcher » Thu Oct 23, 2008 7:05 pm

watch the video.. it's the end that made me shivver.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHJJQ0zNNOM
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Postby justdrew » Thu Oct 23, 2008 7:21 pm

wintler2 wrote:Must be battery powered, guess we'll find out if US really does have secret superduper battery technology. I can imagine it walking well on different surfaces, but not pushing thru scrub or crossing watercourses, and stairs would have to slow it down. What i'd really like to do is whack it with a spade.


fuel cell more likely.

also... to blow the head off another topless secret gone wild... remember the Project GANDALF thing?

Project GANDALF: "...radio frequency (RF) geolocation and emitter identification using specific emitter identification (SEI) for specific signals of interest..."

put that together with this quote from the newscientist article about hunter robots:
We can also expect such systems to be equipped with human detection and tracking devices including sensors which detect ... the radio waves associated with a human heart beat..."
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Postby ShinShinKid » Thu Oct 23, 2008 8:13 pm

Having worked in the industry, I have to pipe in with my two cents.
I imagine the power supply is two car batteries, maybe four. These things need humans more than humans need them. For the most part, robots are almost always prototypes, even "released" designs and robots.
There are to many bugs to imagine with these kinds of things. A good pack of Irish Wolfhounds would beat it out anyday for hunting humans.
Well played, God. Well played".
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Postby orz » Thu Oct 23, 2008 8:47 pm

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Postby justdrew » Thu Oct 23, 2008 8:50 pm

here's another video for consideration...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=snfc_wNWqSU
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Postby beeline » Fri Oct 24, 2008 11:54 am

That's absolutely the creepiest thing I've read/seen in a while.
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Postby OP ED » Fri Oct 24, 2008 6:58 pm

hah. props to creepy government people for accomplishing two goals in one masterstroke:

1. scare people with nonsense.
2. waste their money while doing so.

Hurray for you, creepy government people!
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Postby tron » Sat Oct 25, 2008 12:15 pm

that idea is soooooo 1970's

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Postby American Dream » Wed Mar 25, 2009 12:21 am

The Specter of Robot Wars
Science fiction is becoming science reality

By Eric Stoner


With virtually no public scrutiny, robotics is quickly revolutionizing not only how war is fought, but who fights in war. When the US invaded Iraq in 2003, the military had no robots on the ground, and only a handful of unmanned drones in the air. Today, according to P.W. Singer, author of Wired for War and a senior fellow at the Brookings Institution, the US military has some 7,000 drones in operation – more than double the number of manned aircraft that it owns – and over 12,000 robots on the ground.

Predator drones armed with laser-guided Hellfire missiles have regularly bombed Iraq and Afghanistan in recent years, and their use is skyrocketing. In 2008, 71 Predators flew 138,404 combat hours – a 94 percent increase over the year before, according to a recent presentation by Air Force Colonel Eric Mathewson. And over the last year, American drones flown largely by the CIA have attacked inside Pakistan more than 40 times. Rather than reconsider this belligerent policy, President Obama has become one of its most enthusiastic backers. Since his inauguration, he has already authorized six such attacks that have collectively killed over 100 people and sparked large protests within Pakistan.

On the ground in Iraq, there are at least 22 different robotic systems in operation. While they are used primarily for reconnaissance and to help soldiers defuse roadside bombs, in May 2007, the first armed ground robot was deployed south of Baghdad. The Special Weapons Observation Remote Direct-Action System, or SWORDS, stands three feet tall and rolls on two tank treads. It’s currently fitted with an M249 machine gun that can be swapped for other powerful weapons, and controlled with a modified laptop. More sophisticated armed ground systems – such as the MAARS and the one-ton Gladiator – are currently being developed and tested, and will likely see combat in the not-so-distant future.

Research into artificial intelligence is also rapidly advancing. One 2003 study by the US Joint Forces Command, entitled “Unmanned Effects: Taking the Human Out of the Loop,” even suggests that networked, autonomous robots could be the norm on the battlefield by as early as 2025.

Congress has been the primary force behind this revolution. In 2001, the Defense Authorization Act stated that one-third of the military’s deep strike aircraft should be unmanned within 10 years, and that one-third of the ground combat vehicles should be unmanned within 15 years. More recently, in the Defense Department’s 2007 budget, Congress ordered the Pentagon to show “a preference for joint unmanned systems in acquisition programs for new systems, including a requirement under any such program for the development of a manned system for a certification that an unmanned system is incapable of meeting program requirements.”

This strong Congressional backing and the increasing popularity of these systems within the military have fueled a booming robotics industry that was all but nonexistent 15 years ago. The Association of Unmanned Vehicle Systems International (AUVSI), for example, has 1,400 member companies and organizations from 50 countries looking to cash in on what appears to be the future of war. Analysts from the Teal Group, a defense consultancy firm, recently predicted that spending on unmanned planes alone will double from $3.4 billion annually today to $7.3 billion over the next decade.

What’s the problem?

While robots spell big money for the military-industrial complex, they will inevitably make the work of antiwar activists far more difficult. In all likelihood, as the proponents of military robots claim, the number of US soldiers who are killed on the battlefield will decrease. This has been the trend as technology in war has advanced over the last century. For example, more than 58,000 U.S. soldiers were killed in Vietnam. Today, after 6 years of intense fighting in Iraq, less than 4,200 U.S. soldiers have died in combat. And in Afghanistan, far fewer coalition troops have been killed than in Iraq – even though that figure has been steadily increasing. The use of robots is at least in part responsible for this dramatic reduction in US casualties. As unmanned systems are deployed in greater numbers, they will only slash that figure further for future wars.

This may at first sound like a positive development, but its potential downsides are profound. At the same time that the number of soldiers killed in war has dropped, the percentage of casualties that are innocent civilians has steadily risen. In World War I, less than 10 percent of casualties were civilian; in World War II, the percentage of civilian casualties rose to roughly 50 percent, and today over 90 percent of those killed in wars are civilian. In Iraq, for example, ample evidence suggests that more than a million civilians have been killed as a result of the war. Another 4.5 million Iraqis have either been internally displaced or have fled the country out of fear for their lives. By allowing soldiers to kill from greater distances – and therefore to more easily pull the trigger – robots will likely only take this trend a step further.

Moreover, military robotics will also increase the threat of terrorism. “If people know that they are going to be killed by these robots,” argues Fr. Simon Harak, director of the Marquette University Center for Peacemaking, “then why would they not therefore retaliate against civilian centers in the United States? It would only make military sense that they’ll find where we are vulnerable.” Unfortunately, if that does come to pass, few will make the connection.

Also, the prospect of US troops dying on some far off battlefield seems to be responsible – more than anything else – for the public’s hesitance to use military force. Therefore, if the number of American soldiers coming home in body bags can be significantly reduced in future wars, the public will inevitably pay even less attention to our foreign policy or military interventions abroad than it already does. This will in turn make it that much easier for politicians to start wars in the first place. For instance, John Pike, the director of GlobalSecurity.org, argued in a recent op-ed in the Washington Post that robots would allow the US to intervene militarily in Darfur or other hot spots where politicians are currently reluctant to send real flesh-and-blood troops.

Robots will also deal a blow to the growing counter-recruitment movement, by easing the military’s current recruiting difficulties. While each SWORDS or drone is currently controlled by at least one soldier, progress in the field of artificial intelligence will allow a soldier to control multiple robots simultaneously. James Canton, chief executive officer of the Institute of Global Futures and an expert on military technology, predicts that future military units may consist of 150 humans and 2000 robots. Such a development would allow the government to go to war with a much smaller military than is currently needed. The military has also limited who it recruits by age and physical fitness. Robots will change that equation entirely. As Noah Schactman, editor of Wired’s popular Danger Room blog, has said, “having a strong bladder and big butt may be more useful physical attributes” for future soldiers than being able to do a hundred push-ups.

Growing Resistance

Given the challenges that a more robotic army will create for those working for peace, the antiwar movement cannot wait a minute longer to begin seriously resisting these killer machines. Several places where activists can begin are clear. Some military contractors – such as iRobot and Northrop Grumman – that develop unmanned systems are publicly traded companies. That exposes them to potential shareholder resolutions and makes them more sensitive about their public image, which other types of nonviolent action can affect.

Some military contractors also make consumer products that can be boycotted. For example, iRobot manufactures the PackBot, a hugely successful bomb disposal robot which can now be armed with a shotgun, and also the popular robotic Roomba vacuum cleaner. As this market for personal robots – which was valued at $17 billion by the end of 2007, according to a United Nations report – continues to grow, boycotting those corporations that also make robots for the military will be an increasingly effective tactic for activists.

Universities that have robotics labs that receive funding from the Department of Defense are also important targets for the antiwar movement. On March 2, 2007, activists with the Pittsburg Organizing Group chained their arms together in PVC pipes and erected a tripod that suspended a protester 15 feet in the air in front of the National Robotics Engineering Center (NREC) at Carnegie Mellon University – one of the largest academic military contractors in the country. Fourteen activists were arrested in the action, which successfully shut down the robotics lab for the day and garnered considerable media attention in the process. With nearly 350 colleges and universities conducting some form of research for the Pentagon, according to a 2002 report by the Association of American Universities (AAU), many other academic institutions must be similarly confronted.

Finally, activists are beginning to protest at the military bases where the drone pilots work. The Nevada Desert Experience (NDE) has recently been demonstrating outside of Creech Air Force Base, one of the locations where many of the Predator and Reaper drones are flown from that regularly bomb Iraq, Afghanistan and now Pakistan. Some of the activists who will be participating in NDE’s annual Sacred Peace Walk this April, including Kathy Kelly from Voices for Creative Nonviolence, will be keeping a presence outside of the Creech base and risking arrest in an act of civil disobedience.

The peace movement can claim some victories, however small, against other military contractors in recent years. The engineering and construction giant Bechtel withdrew from Iraq in 2006. Halliburton sold off its subsidiary KBR and moved its headquarters to Dubai in 2007. And early this year, the Iraqi government announced that the infamous mercenary firm Blackwater – which changed its name to Xe in an effort to shake its tarnished reputation – will be kicked out of the country in the near future. Killer robots, however, pose more of an existential threat than war profiteers ever did. If we don’t start to seriously step up the pressure to ultimately stop this robotics revolution in its tracks, science fiction has warned us about our potential fate.
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