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Postby OP ED » Sun Dec 07, 2008 12:59 am

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Postby OP ED » Sun Dec 07, 2008 1:10 am

linked from the ManO'war wiki page

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blanket_octopus


The blanket octopuses, four species of octopus in the Tremoctopus genus, are found in the waters of Australia's Northern Coast.

The male blanket octopus spends his existence drifting along waiting to meet with a female. If the male meets a female, he fills one of his tentacles with sperm and tears it from his body. He gives this sperm-filled tentacle to the female which she then uses to fertilize her eggs. Afterwards, the female leaves the male who floats away and dies.

These species have an extreme degree of sexual dimorphism. According to the Melbourne Museum, "there's no other non-microscopic critter that has such a significant size difference between the male and female." Measuring only 2.4 cm long, the male blanket octopus is incongruously smaller than the female who can grow to over 2 m. This means that the female can be 100 times larger than her mate, and up to 40,000 times heavier. The male can afford to be small, since his chance of mating with a female and passing on genes does not depend on size, though the female's size is necessary to pass on as many healthy offspring as possible. The male's small size in fact allows him to reach sexual maturity faster, raising the chances that when a female stumbles upon him, he is ready to copulate.

An unusual defense mechanism in the species has evolved: blanket octopuses are immune to the poisonous Portuguese man o' war, whose tentacles the female rips off and uses later for defensive purposes. Also, unlike many other octopuses, the blanket octopus does not use ink to intimidate potential predators, but instead unfurls a large net-like membrane which then spreads out and billows in the water like a cape. This greatly increases the octopus's apparent size, and is what gives the animal its name.




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Postby zhivkov » Sun Dec 07, 2008 3:28 am

Just stopped in to say hi guys-and girls if Perelandra,c2w?,aa or any of the rest stop in-incredibly tired-thought i had this insomnia thing kicked for a few days! i definitely will not be picking a fight with your girlfriend OE-she sounds deadly :shock: -and even if i picked a fight with her from afar she could probably find me eventually as I haven't been that subtle trying to cover my tracks around the web :D sorry-over emoticon usage tonight-stole some of the 2 of yours new pics-i know you dont mind-you were busy that day penguin!-thank you so very much for that-the quality of your pics are probably as close as i will ever get to helsinki!-but would love to see it-all of scandinavia actually-hell were wouldn't i go?

On a way off topic ?-and i realize it would be very unlikely for anyone to have the answer-have you OE,penguin,perelandra, nathan-anybody heard or seen of a great blog that has stuff about russian literature and history (not the commie stuff-just the lit and culture mostly)?
the evanescence song wasnt important-it was just a song i liked for awhile-that a teenager 'burned' for me when I thought she meant by burning she was going to shoplift it for me-i have always been behind the times tech wise as i think this was in 2002
be well all of you!-hope to be back tomorrow-i have a lot of research to do-i got way in over my head at my place due to my lack of education-besides self-education. i feel very bad about not checking into gen disc-lounge and other areas here to say hi to others-never knew how hard it could be to find a damn girl with a bird image!-Z
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Postby Penguin » Sun Dec 07, 2008 11:57 am

OP ED:
Dug up the year the Lönnroot statue (the one with 3 people - mythical Väinämöinen, the lady and Lönnroot himself with writing utensils) was revealed in 1902. My reason for surmising it might be masonic is because the oldest public statue here is erected by them. Ill go take pics of it later...And around that time there werent so many instances with the needed money to erect statues, and I suppose they would have liked to commemorate the person who compiled the national epic and did great work to establish a written finnish language - before that swedish or russian had been the official languages. Lönnroot was also a very learned academic, and a herbal healer. The other option is the Helsinki University - (as an aside - the masonic lodges hall is in the universitys old society building today). Thats why I surmised it was so - I found it suprisingly hard to find good info on it in the net. I did find one cool blog with lots more pics of statues here, and Ill shamelessly rip those later tonite for your pleasure. I was out scoping some good buildings too today, after a nice techno party last night.

Met good friends, danced some until my legs were reasonably tired and wobbly, didnt drink any alcohol, and am now very very tired and happy. Was also out buying clothes and books and food - theres an ethical christmas market going on - recycled stuff, handmade local stuff, local farmers, vegans, anarchists, artesans of all kinds, artists...Its also in one old University ball room, I took couple pics! Will put em on later too! The place was positively packed to the brim - as well as yesterday - you had to queue a bit to get out the front door, with more people coming in all the while :)

Re: the star, my question meant simply that do you know masons to utilize it in some context, or not? But I found the reason now, and I should have known it - my poor memory!! It baffled me since I didnt recall it being connected to Kalevala epic - which the statue is about - or what its significance might be re: the epic itself (I have to admit I last read it maybe more than ten years ago - its written in lyrical sung form so its not so hot) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalevala

Heres the reason for the pentagram:
The poetry was usually sung to tunes built on a pentachord, sometimes assisted by the kantele (a five-string zither of a kind). The rhythm could vary but the tunes were arranged in either two or four lines consisting of five beats each. Sometimes the poems were performed antiphonally, sometimes they were a part of a "singing-match" between knowers of the tradition. Despite the vast geographical distance and customary spheres separating the individual singers, the poetry was always sung in the same metre, the so-called archaic trochaic tetrametre. Its other formal features are alliteration and parallelism and inversion into chiasmus. (also, there seems to be a finnish surname - rare - Wiiskanta "Pentagram" translated.)

"The Kalevala is a book and epic poem which the Finn Elias Lönnrot compiled from Finnish and Karelian folklore in the nineteenth century. It is held to be the national epic of Finland and is traditionally thought of as one of the most significant works of Finnish literature. Karelian citizens and other Balto-Finnic speakers also value the work. The Kalevala is credited with some of the inspiration for the national awakening that ultimately led to Finnish government's independence from that of Russia in 1917."

So that park is brimming with nationalist themes, and cultural symbols. And a few heroes of independence / criminals of civil war (he, what a combo!) buried under it.
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Postby OP ED » Mon Dec 08, 2008 1:32 am

If you'd only have said something Penguin!

I know kalevala. it was heavily influential on Tolkien, who took words and/or phonemes from it. (Ilmarien, Aino, Vainamoinen) He also took plot points, and was fairly explicit in stating that the Turin cycle derives thereunto.

In this sense, I'd say your likely culprits for the symbolism will be those old europeans, somewhat masonic, who have beliefs of a derivative-tolkienish nature (merovingians?) and their propogandists, like Keith Bosley, who wrote the translation i own, also a member of the Order of the White Rose, which I assume you're aware of.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_the_White_Rose

Wiki also says Aino was the most popular Finnish girls' name of 2006. its funny, because it gets used as a punform by Tolkien.

Ilmarien's part of the Vainamoinen story has the furnace/sevens symbolism (central to Blake, via the bible) indicating it may be somewhat older than its "present" form. (Vaina hisself is likely a Noah type, and their are etymological puns connecting him directly to JRR's Gandalf via Olorin)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ilmarinen

The Forging of the Sampo
When the old sage, Väinämöinen, was traveling wide in the search of a wife, he was captured by the old mistress of Pohjola, the land of the North. In return for giving him safe passage from the land of Pohjola back to his native country, the enchantress Louhi of Pohjola wanted to have made the Sampo, a magic artifact. Väinämöinen replied that he could not make her one, but that Ilmarinen could, and promised to send the great smith to Pohjola to do just that. In return for this wondrous device, Louhi would also give Ilmarinen her daughter's hand in marriage.

On having returned home, Väinämöinen tries to awe Ilmarinen with tales of the maiden's beauty and so lure him to Pohjola. Ilmarinen sees through the ruse, however, and refuses. Not to be outdone, Väinämöinen tricks the smith into climbing a fir tree trying to bring down moonlight that is glimmering on the branches. Conjuring a storm-wind with his magical song, Väinämöinen then blows Ilmarinen away to Pohjola.

Once there, Ilmarinen is approached by the toothless hag, Louhi, and her daughter, the Maiden of Pohjola, and having seen the maiden's beauty, consents to build a Sampo. For three days, he sought a place to build a great forge. In that forge he placed metals and started working, tending the magic fire with help of the slaves of Pohjola.

On the first day, Ilmarinen looked down into the flames and saw that the metal had taken the form of a crossbow with a golden arch, a copper shaft and quarrel-tips of silver. But the bow had an evil spirit, asking for a new victim each day, and so Ilmarinen broke it and cast the pieces back into the fire.

On the second day, there came a metal ship from the fire, with ribs of gold and copper oars. Though beautiful to behold, it too was evil at heart, being too eager to rush towards battle, and so, Ilmarinen broke the magic boat apart and cast back the pieces once more.

On the third day, a metal cow emerged, with golden horns and the sun and the stars on its brow. But alas, it was ill-tempered, and so the magical heifer was broken into pieces and melted down.

On the fourth day, a golden plow is pulled from the forge, with a golden plowshare, a copper beam and silver handles. But it too is flawed, plowing up planted fields and furrowing meadows. In despair, Ilmarinen destroys his creation once more.

Angered at his lack of success, Ilmarinen conjures the four winds to fan the flames. The winds blow for three days, until finally, the Sampo is born, taking the shape of a magic mill that produces grain, salt and gold. Pleased with his creation at last, Ilmarinen presents it to Louhi, who promptly locks it in a vault deep underground.

Returning triumphant to the Maiden of Pohjola, Ilmarinen bids her to become his wife. To his dismay, she refuses to leave her native land, forcing him to return home alone and dejected.


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The recurrent symbols above (Furnaces, Mills, etc) should be familiar to students of Mr. Frye. :wink:


the five pointed star is in all the similar cycles, connected to the global flood myths (?) and is fairly ubiquitous in being the symbol of the Atlantean kingdom and kings.

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Freemasons do indeed use the five pointed star, but not like it appears on your monument. The cults of the Boatmen however, do, and I'd say that is who you're dealing with here. They're usually less evil, but when they're not, they're not.
(they are also more than likely freemasons as well, but that is a different subject)
those are my thoughts.

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Postby Penguin » Mon Dec 08, 2008 1:49 am

Thanks! This is greatly appreciated, my friend. Later...

Edit: took some more pics in town today - the botanical garden, and the masonic something next to it - the oldest private "monument" in Helsinki. Its basically just a square meter fence, with iron flames in corners, and the Masonic logo in the fence, and a small tree and stone inside, with swedish text on the stone, painted in gold. No wonder I hadnt noticed it before, its really low key.

This one I have read about somewhere, Ill try to dig up its history as well. Ill edit and go thru the pics again, later tonight. Took lots of pictures of the botanical garden too - I would have gone in too, its awesome - but was closed on Mondays, which I of course didnt remember. Anyways, had a fun day outside, be back later....If its a fine day tomorrow, Ill hit the local churches too. Im not doing this solely for you guys, I was supposed to do this hit-and-run camera session around town ages ago, Im just so lazy :P
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Postby OP ED » Mon Dec 08, 2008 3:08 am

(if i am correct in my assertions it would also, btw, explain why you found it difficult to find information on the persons involved. these are the folks the "Priory of Sion" types are mocking. they value discretion. they were illegal under Catholicism and Communism universally as they're heretical to both)

(therefore allied to illuminist freemasonry in some of its forms)

i am grateful for the further reference and i am now officially interested, and will probably look into it some more. i should have something on some of the people in a few days. [i will contact my own principals &etc as some of those folks may('ve) be(en) members of my own order which is popular with the more frenchie freemasonry common to your part of the globe] if/when i'm ever in your part of europe, you'll have to show it to me. y'know, if you will.
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Postby Penguin » Mon Dec 08, 2008 5:08 pm

Meh. Somehow Im feeling massively grumpy and irritated. I guess I should try to sleep, but that too feels like an annoyance presently. I dont think Ill get anything useful, or useless, done tonite...

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Postby zhivkov » Tue Dec 09, 2008 12:34 am

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Hi everyone-just wanted to stop through and say hi and view the new stuff-thanks for the new images and links OE and penguin-those pics you took are wonderful would like to see more of them-hope you are all doin ok i am just a bit tired-here is my contribution for the night best to all of you-Z
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Postby zhivkov » Tue Dec 09, 2008 7:53 pm

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from OE's journals, todays.

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Postby zhivkov » Wed Dec 10, 2008 11:11 pm

Thanks again OE and penguin-this info is very interesting to me-I found your conversation about Kalevala-Tolkien and Finnish Independence astounding-had not heard of The book or poem before and maybe only slightly ever had seen the name of Lonnrot-sorry no image -maybe in a bit-the Tarot presentation also beautful OE! I am so tempted to start the Frye book in the way you suggested-I am just so afraid of becoming entranced by anything else until I finish H-A I have a tendency towards mania and ocd which leads to vast amounts of work getting done at one time and then I approach something which almost seems like nervous collapse and when I looked at my visage in the mirror today-I finally saw the way I pictured my soul looking-kinda tortured-especially with all the weight I have lost and the dark circles under my eyes-I need to slow down a bit-thanks again for contributions here and if my attention does not wander hopefully I can find something to add b4 bedtime
speaking of atttention wandering you can find out the coolest (i think-but im a nerd) stuff here and there on the net-found out the name I really go by would be Dekujeme in Czech- I first read it as Dek-oo-jim-ay but it is
actually dek-we-em. I hope these words find you all happy and at peace-maybe back tonight-Z
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Postby zhivkov » Wed Dec 10, 2008 11:40 pm

Please forgive my endless ?s If anyone were writing about their lives here I was wondering if 'sexing things up' would be advisable-especially if you are trying to be as honest as possible. In early 05 I was here alone with the cat I had at the time (Sailor-may he rest in peace-my bro -very kind-buried in his backyard) and the "I earned political capital and I intend to spend it" speech was on the tube by 43-as I was rather drunk and probably had a few pills in me -I screamed-it was an awful scream as it alarmed my neighbors-also very kind folk-and threw my cocktail at the tele-screen-as i am very unathletic even tho i was prob 5 ft away it missed and shattered on the wall above the set-the way i was thinking of 'sexing up' this story was to have me attending some sort of function or most likely in a bar and actually shattering the tele-screen and subsequent events-but this is not honest or real-why would i do it?not thinking of getting published!

When Sailor passed it was horrible-the vet suggested me staying and being with him while he was put down-of course -with me it ended up in massive gales of tears and wracking sobs- the vet let me leave the body at the office while i could think what to do-i flew out of the office crying so hard i could barely see-you would think i was a child-i was almost 40-no wait i was past 40 as it was devil's day-a horrible day to have a cherished pet put down-esp the feline variety-i am usually so happy by 'ween as the weather finally cools off. I ran over to my bros and said very stupidly-must have looked like a mess-Sailors dead-you would have thought it was a parent or grandparent or sibling- I have noticed this about masculine men-when they don't know what to say and they care about the person who is distraught-they kind of look embarrassed and scared about saying the wrong thing-so he simply hugged me very close for a long time-another difference of hugs between masculine men and those not so much like me is intensity of hug-i could barely breathe-but i needed to be held close like that-so different from my tres fab hugs-Z
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Postby OP ED » Thu Dec 11, 2008 5:21 am

the images were from the Club Dumas and/or the Nine Gates [the polanski film]

they do look like tarot cards.

it is from a link provided by a participant in the 8 pointed star thread in GD started by myriadsmallcreatures whom i was impolite to.

(not that i am apologizing)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circumambulation

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shinobi_shozoku

more later and/or tomorrow
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