9/11 Killed the Forrest Gump Sequel

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9/11 Killed the Forrest Gump Sequel

Postby MinM » Mon Dec 08, 2008 9:57 am

9/11 Killed the Forrest Gump Sequel
Posted on Sunday, December 7th, 2008 at 5:40 pm by: Peter Sciretta
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I just got off the phone with Academy Award winning screenwriter Eric Roth (Interview coming soon) and during my conversation about his latest film, The Curious Case of Benjamin Button, I had the opportunity to ask him about the long in development Forrest Gump sequel Gump & Co. Roth admitted that he hasn’t been asked about the project in a long time.

“I turned in my version of the Forrest Gump sequel, or Part II, whatever you call it… It’s a continuation really — I want to start the movie literally two minutes after the end of the last one, with him on the bus bench waiting for his son to get home from school. But I turned in the script the night before 9/11. And we sat down, Tom [Hanks] and Bob [Zemeckis] and I, looked at each other and said, we don’t think this is relevant anymore. The world had changed. Now time has obviously passed, but maybe some things should just be one thing and left as they are.”


I quipped that Zemeckis probably wouldn’t do another Gump now unless it could be produced using 3D performance capture technology. Roth jokingly responded “He might find that interesting”.

Author Winston Groom’s follow-up novel Gump and Co. was released in 1995, which follows Forrest as he stumbled through important US events in the 1980s and early 1990s. According to Wikipedia, Gump plays football for the New Orleans Saints, sells encyclopedias door-to-door, works on a pig farm, and helps develop the infamous New Coke. He accidentally crashes the Exxon Valdez, helps destroy the Berlin Wall, fights in Operation Desert Storm and meets many celebrities along the way including: Colonel Oliver North, the Ayatollah Khomeini, John Hinckley, Jim Bakker, Ivan Boesky, Ronald Reagan, Saddam Hussein, Bill and Hillary Clinton, and Tom Hanks.
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Postby JackRiddler » Mon Dec 08, 2008 10:28 am

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More of your pro-9/11 propaganda?

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Postby justdrew » Mon Dec 08, 2008 1:38 pm

Gump was on one of the planes obviously.
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Postby Jeff » Mon Dec 08, 2008 2:56 pm

At least something good came of it.
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Re: 9/11 Killed the Forrest Gump Sequel

Postby beeline » Mon Dec 08, 2008 4:13 pm

MinM wrote:....and meets many celebrities along the way including: Colonel Oliver North, the Ayatollah Khomeini, John Hinckley, Jim Bakker, Ivan Boesky, Ronald Reagan, Saddam Hussein, Bill and Hillary Clinton, and Tom Hanks.


That's some deep-state shit.

How would they reconcile Gump meeting Tom Hanks? That would be like Darth Vader meeting James Earl Jones. Or David Prowse for that matter.
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Postby MacCruiskeen » Mon Dec 08, 2008 4:22 pm

Jeff wrote:At least something good came of it.


Yeah, but talk about using a sledgehammer to crack a nut. (Couldn't they just have kidnapped Tom Hanks instead?)
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Postby Penguin » Mon Dec 08, 2008 4:32 pm

Good thing!
I dont understand how anyone thought Gump was "positive". It was a fucking pukefest, emotionally. Ill just quote since Im tired of typing. (And I have a feeling some of you agree anyway)

I wanted to hit Zemeckis when Jenny died.

http://www.fee.org/PUBLICATIONS/THE-FRE ... p?aid=4237

"Forrest Gump: A Subversive Movie
By Aeon J. Skoble

Dr. Skoble teaches philosophy at the University of Central Arkansas.

A Hollywood movie is like a box of chocolates: it tastes good, but it's really bad for you. Of course, it isn't bad to eat a small amount of chocolates; likewise, not all Hollywood movies are bad for you. But after seeing Forrest Gump, the charming aphorism that was central to the film ("My momma says that life is like a box of chocolates") metamorphosed in my mind in this fashion. I caught myself enjoying the film while realizing that I was enjoying something unhealthy. As time passes since the film's release, it not only grows in popularity, but the associated merchandising increases, One can buy collections of Gump sayings, tins of "BubbaGump Shrimp," Gump t-shirts, and so on. As the film's appeal grows, so does the need to examine its message. The movie won six Academy Awards (including Best Picture and Best Actor for Tom Hanks)—so the film is clearly an influential social and cultural item.

Before criticizing the film's vices, I first praise its virtues. It is very well executed, The by-now-well-known special effects that make Tom Hanks appear in old newsreel footage and play championship ping-pong, and that make Gary Sinise's legs disappear, are outstanding. Hanks adds another finely crafted performance to his resume. The film's narrative structure is tight, and strikes the right balance between serious drama and light comedy. Indeed it is truly an excellent film, in the sense that it tells a story well and conveys a message. But the values portrayed, like a box of chocolates, are too sweet and not entirely healthy.

This film is subversive. It doesn't subvert the Constitution of the United States, but rather it is subversive of the human spirit. This claim will come as a spoilsport voice-in-the-wildemess to the many who are trumpeting the film as a triumph of the human spirit, Forrest Gump is unambiguously antiintellectual, and subversive in its power to make one enjoy it anyway.

The naive innocent who prospers in a wicked world is an old standard, and a very seductive device. Even Wagner, after announcing the coming of the superman, found refuge in this archetype in Parsifal. Here Hanks portrays a man with an I. Q. of 75 who becomes a national hero and a millionaire through... what? The purity of his spirit and the grace of God, or something like that. The message is that intelligence, indeed ability generally, are unimportant. Providence will watch out for those without gifts, therefore everyone is gifted. Some of Gump's achievements are due to his being a nice guy. He wins the Medal of Honor for rescuing his company because he is unwilling to abandon his friend. But he becomes a great runner by divine flat. His shrimp boat survives a hurricane. He becomes a champion ping-pong player simply by not taking his eye off the ball. It's not quite like Being There, to which this film is frequently compared. The character Chance in Being There receives his fortunes through the misinterpretaions of his idiocy by a sick society, hence the satire. Gump is satire-free. But the film makes us ask, what's the point of having talents if talent is unimportant?

The film not only portrays talent as unimportant, but literally as an impediment to the good life. Consider the intelligent and intellectually curious Jenny. She is an independent thinker who questions authority and social standards, and who is experimental and adventuresome. Jenny is punished with a series of abusive relationships; -she finally dies of AIDS, I've rarely seen a characterization so hostile to inquiry. It is revealed that the roots of her eagerness to question authority and think independently are having a dysfunctional family. So an evil force drives her to independence of thought, and the results of the consequent life are drugs, abusive boyfriends, and AIDS.

The contrast with Gump is clear enough. His mother loves him. He always does as he's told, and prospers as a result. In response to the command, "just run," he is able to score touchdowns. This trait also makes him a natural for military service. To be sure that we do not interpret all this as anti-Christian, Jenny, despite her sins, is forgiven and rewarded in the afterlife in the form of a perfect child conceived with Forrest. When Lieutenant Dan loses his legs, he rails against God, but when he makes his peace with God, he walks again.

Gump's mother, played well by Sally Field, keeps admonishing him that he's no different from everyone else. The film insistently advances the idea that there is "nothing wrong with being stupid." Honestly, could there be a more dangerous message to promulgate? It should go without saying that people should not be cruel to those with less ability, and we may indeed wish to care for those incapable of taking care of themselves. But is there really nothing wrong with being less able, less smart? This is not about self-esteem for the disabled, it is actually about radical leveling, a devaluation of ability. How is Gump no different from anyone else? This claim seems innocent enough, and might follow from the idea that those of less ability are still humans deserving respect and dignity. But of course he is different-he is a great runner, a football star, a war hero, a millionaire. Most of us are none of those things. And he has a 75 I.Q., which most of don't have either. So he is different from most people. By donplaying that, the critique of ability is made more subtle.

There's no secret to excelling, the film tells us, just do what you're supposed to do.

In real life, people must earn their achievements. Of course, some steal and some inherit, but in general, people have to achieve through their efforts. At any rate, that would be a better lesson to teach, I submit, than that if you just blunder about, God or fate will take care of everything. No ability is necessary to make a fortune in the shrimp business—just make sure that your shrimp boat is the only one left intact after a hurricane. No ability is necessary to be a football hero-just run until they tell you to stop running.

Of course, all these bits in the film are funny and charming. I laughed and smiled on cue with everyone else. Hanks is always likable, and Gump especially so, being the sweet innocent that he is. But I am disturbed that a film could attain such popularity and appeal by advancing the view that ability is not an important component of business success and that critical thinking is not essential to achieve prosperity. Despite Gump being a successful businessman, the film thereby conveys a tacit anti-commece message.

The anti-commerce message derives from the more general anti-ability theme. If intelligence and analytic ability are not portrayed in the most popular film of the year as important components of the good life, an intellectually lazy generation will tacitly take this as support for their disengaged condition. The majority of teens cannot locate the Pacific Ocean on a world map, or the Civil War by half-century. The fastest growing trend in criminal defense is diminished responsibility. Books are out, MTV is in. Critical reasoning is on the decline not only as a skill but as a desideratum. And now comes Forrest Gump to reinforce the idea that we are not responsible for our destinies, that intelligence is not important, that independent thought will be punished. That's dangerous.

Forrest Gump is not a bad film, but it is subversive. The film is subversive because it is so well made and enjoyable. I enjoyed it even as I was aware of the unhealthiness of its message. If anyone tells me that it was a good film, or that he or she enjoyed it, I won't disagree. But if anyone tells me that it was profound or that it changed his life, I shall weep."
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Postby beeline » Mon Dec 08, 2008 4:57 pm

Penguin wrote:Good thing!
I dont understand how anyone thought Gump was "positive". It was a fucking pukefest, emotionally. Ill just quote since Im tired of typing. (And I have a feeling some of you agree anyway)

I wanted to hit Zemeckis when Jenny died.

http://www.fee.org/PUBLICATIONS/THE-FRE ... p?aid=4237

"Forrest Gump: A Subversive Movie
By Aeon J. Skoble

Dr. Skoble teaches philosophy at the University of Central Arkansas.

A Hollywood movie is like a box of chocolates: it tastes good, but it's really bad for you. Of course, it isn't bad to eat a small amount of chocolates; likewise, not all Hollywood movies are bad for you. But after seeing Forrest Gump, the charming aphorism that was central to the film ("My momma says that life is like a box of chocolates") metamorphosed in my mind in this fashion. I caught myself enjoying the film while realizing that I was enjoying something unhealthy. As time passes since the film's release, it not only grows in popularity, but the associated merchandising increases, One can buy collections of Gump sayings, tins of "BubbaGump Shrimp," Gump t-shirts, and so on. As the film's appeal grows, so does the need to examine its message. The movie won six Academy Awards (including Best Picture and Best Actor for Tom Hanks)—so the film is clearly an influential social and cultural item.

Before criticizing the film's vices, I first praise its virtues. It is very well executed, The by-now-well-known special effects that make Tom Hanks appear in old newsreel footage and play championship ping-pong, and that make Gary Sinise's legs disappear, are outstanding. Hanks adds another finely crafted performance to his resume. The film's narrative structure is tight, and strikes the right balance between serious drama and light comedy. Indeed it is truly an excellent film, in the sense that it tells a story well and conveys a message. But the values portrayed, like a box of chocolates, are too sweet and not entirely healthy.

This film is subversive. It doesn't subvert the Constitution of the United States, but rather it is subversive of the human spirit. This claim will come as a spoilsport voice-in-the-wildemess to the many who are trumpeting the film as a triumph of the human spirit, Forrest Gump is unambiguously antiintellectual, and subversive in its power to make one enjoy it anyway.

The naive innocent who prospers in a wicked world is an old standard, and a very seductive device. Even Wagner, after announcing the coming of the superman, found refuge in this archetype in Parsifal. Here Hanks portrays a man with an I. Q. of 75 who becomes a national hero and a millionaire through... what? The purity of his spirit and the grace of God, or something like that. The message is that intelligence, indeed ability generally, are unimportant. Providence will watch out for those without gifts, therefore everyone is gifted. Some of Gump's achievements are due to his being a nice guy. He wins the Medal of Honor for rescuing his company because he is unwilling to abandon his friend. But he becomes a great runner by divine flat. His shrimp boat survives a hurricane. He becomes a champion ping-pong player simply by not taking his eye off the ball. It's not quite like Being There, to which this film is frequently compared. The character Chance in Being There receives his fortunes through the misinterpretaions of his idiocy by a sick society, hence the satire. Gump is satire-free. But the film makes us ask, what's the point of having talents if talent is unimportant?

The film not only portrays talent as unimportant, but literally as an impediment to the good life. Consider the intelligent and intellectually curious Jenny. She is an independent thinker who questions authority and social standards, and who is experimental and adventuresome. Jenny is punished with a series of abusive relationships; -she finally dies of AIDS, I've rarely seen a characterization so hostile to inquiry. It is revealed that the roots of her eagerness to question authority and think independently are having a dysfunctional family. So an evil force drives her to independence of thought, and the results of the consequent life are drugs, abusive boyfriends, and AIDS.

The contrast with Gump is clear enough. His mother loves him. He always does as he's told, and prospers as a result. In response to the command, "just run," he is able to score touchdowns. This trait also makes him a natural for military service. To be sure that we do not interpret all this as anti-Christian, Jenny, despite her sins, is forgiven and rewarded in the afterlife in the form of a perfect child conceived with Forrest. When Lieutenant Dan loses his legs, he rails against God, but when he makes his peace with God, he walks again.

Gump's mother, played well by Sally Field, keeps admonishing him that he's no different from everyone else. The film insistently advances the idea that there is "nothing wrong with being stupid." Honestly, could there be a more dangerous message to promulgate? It should go without saying that people should not be cruel to those with less ability, and we may indeed wish to care for those incapable of taking care of themselves. But is there really nothing wrong with being less able, less smart? This is not about self-esteem for the disabled, it is actually about radical leveling, a devaluation of ability. How is Gump no different from anyone else? This claim seems innocent enough, and might follow from the idea that those of less ability are still humans deserving respect and dignity. But of course he is different-he is a great runner, a football star, a war hero, a millionaire. Most of us are none of those things. And he has a 75 I.Q., which most of don't have either. So he is different from most people. By donplaying that, the critique of ability is made more subtle.

There's no secret to excelling, the film tells us, just do what you're supposed to do.

In real life, people must earn their achievements. Of course, some steal and some inherit, but in general, people have to achieve through their efforts. At any rate, that would be a better lesson to teach, I submit, than that if you just blunder about, God or fate will take care of everything. No ability is necessary to make a fortune in the shrimp business—just make sure that your shrimp boat is the only one left intact after a hurricane. No ability is necessary to be a football hero-just run until they tell you to stop running.

Of course, all these bits in the film are funny and charming. I laughed and smiled on cue with everyone else. Hanks is always likable, and Gump especially so, being the sweet innocent that he is. But I am disturbed that a film could attain such popularity and appeal by advancing the view that ability is not an important component of business success and that critical thinking is not essential to achieve prosperity. Despite Gump being a successful businessman, the film thereby conveys a tacit anti-commece message.

The anti-commerce message derives from the more general anti-ability theme. If intelligence and analytic ability are not portrayed in the most popular film of the year as important components of the good life, an intellectually lazy generation will tacitly take this as support for their disengaged condition. The majority of teens cannot locate the Pacific Ocean on a world map, or the Civil War by half-century. The fastest growing trend in criminal defense is diminished responsibility. Books are out, MTV is in. Critical reasoning is on the decline not only as a skill but as a desideratum. And now comes Forrest Gump to reinforce the idea that we are not responsible for our destinies, that intelligence is not important, that independent thought will be punished. That's dangerous.

Forrest Gump is not a bad film, but it is subversive. The film is subversive because it is so well made and enjoyable. I enjoyed it even as I was aware of the unhealthiness of its message. If anyone tells me that it was a good film, or that he or she enjoyed it, I won't disagree. But if anyone tells me that it was profound or that it changed his life, I shall weep."


Whoa, dude, sometimes a movie is just a movie.
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Postby 8bitagent » Mon Dec 08, 2008 4:59 pm

Meh, who needs a Forrest Gump sequel?

9/11 IS FILLED with Forrest Gump moments

Like when we learned that Family Guy creator Seth Mcfarlane was suppose to be on flight 11(but missed the flight last minute from being too drunk the night prior) OR that Mark Wahlberg was spose to be on Flight 93. Man, imagine that story "huge hollywood movie star heroicly dies trying to battle hijackers"

Khalid Sheikh Mohamed is like a proverbial Forrest Gump. As is
Adnan Kashoggi, who ties into virtually every deep state event of the last 50 years.

The hijackers themselves are like a collective Forrest Gump. Some of them were at the same hotel in Spain during the early 2001 anti terror convention John Oneil was at.

One of the hijackers was given high level military occult combat training
by "The Men Who Stare At Goats" lead guy, while the associate FBI informant to the informant who housed two of the hijackers in San Diego(early 2000) owned the mansion Heaven's Gate used for their mass sucide(including Star Trek Uhura's real life brother) Heavens Gate began their Hale Bopp death cult when they heard an FBI remote viewer talk about a UFO in Hale Bopp's comet tail on the Art Bell show.

Seven of the hijacker's last residence was a condo rented to them by the owners of the Sun Tabloid in Florida....whom would be the FIRST victim of the Anthrax attacks several weeks later. Their killed photographer and owner went to the Huffman aviation school the same month Atta and al-Shehi entered.

But the real Forrest Gump is Melvin Lattimore, AKA Mujahid Menepta.
This is the guy whose credit card was used by the WTC 1993 bombers.
The same guy who was seen continually with the Oklahoma City bombers weeks and days prior to the attack, and the guy who was roomates with some of the 9/11 terrorists. The kicker is, he took some of the 9/11 hijackers to the same Oklahoma motel that he took some of the OKC bombers too.

9/11 may have killed Forrest Gump, but when you study 9/11...oh goodness, it's like a Forrest Gump convention.

Hell just look at Bush being buddy buddy with Islamic terror financiers
Ramadan Abdullah and Sami Al-Arian, or Michael Chertoff's protection of a key bin Laden financier.

Hell, just study Ptech...the ultimate Forrest Gump.
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Postby Penguin » Mon Dec 08, 2008 5:05 pm

Whoa dude, sometimes the story is shit, and the seeming morals just loose bowels. I aint positing no conspiracy here - I thought the movie was smelly shit covered in sweet chocolate and whipped cream the first time I saw it.
Positive it aint.

Excuse me, I need to go barf. (I also dont understand how Juno was supposed to be "nice" - what the fuck, you knock a girl up, you take care of the baby and dont give it to some total stranger and then feel all relieved. Thats what Id do, and feel good about it. Not to mention all the pop hipness and shit music and ... meh.)

Now I need to barf twice. Thanks a lot.

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Postby Jeff » Mon Dec 08, 2008 5:14 pm

It's not quite like Being There, to which this film is frequently compared. The character Chance in Being There receives his fortunes through the misinterpretaions of his idiocy by a sick society, hence the satire. Gump is satire-free. But the film makes us ask, what's the point of having talents if talent is unimportant?

The film not only portrays talent as unimportant, but literally as an impediment to the good life. Consider the intelligent and intellectually curious Jenny. She is an independent thinker who questions authority and social standards, and who is experimental and adventuresome. Jenny is punished with a series of abusive relationships; -she finally dies of AIDS, I've rarely seen a characterization so hostile to inquiry. It is revealed that the roots of her eagerness to question authority and think independently are having a dysfunctional family. So an evil force drives her to independence of thought, and the results of the consequent life are drugs, abusive boyfriends, and AIDS.


Whoa, dude, sometimes philosophers make remarkable film critics.
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Postby beeline » Mon Dec 08, 2008 5:44 pm

Jeff wrote:I've rarely seen a characterization so hostile to inquiry. It is revealed that the roots of her eagerness to question authority and think independently are having a dysfunctional family. So an evil force drives her to independence of thought, and the results of the consequent life are drugs, abusive boyfriends, and AIDS.


I thought all of that was 'cause Jenny's dad was molesting her.

And now that I'm thinking about it, I don't agree with the philocritipher's view that the root of her inquisitiveness was molestation. I'll buy the drugs, abusive boyfriends and AIDS, I've seen enough women go down those roads at the hands of bad uncles, so to speak, but who's to say how inquisitiven the character would/would not have been otherwise?
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Postby beeline » Mon Dec 08, 2008 5:57 pm

This whole post reminds me of a conversation I had once with my sister, a doctor of gender studies. She was going on one day about how surfers define the ocean in gender-specific terms, i.e. "How's the surf today?" "Bitchin.'" I had to point out to her that sometimes 'bitchin'' is just an expression. Surfers are not trying to assign gender roles to waves. My point being, these uber-academic types often get lost in their ivory towers and overanalyze things. From time to time. A wave can be a wave. A story can be a story. A movie can be a movie.
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Postby Penguin » Mon Dec 08, 2008 5:58 pm

Suits you, sir.
Have you ever been to Bang-Cock, sir?

Point in case. Why the hell should I analyze a story, Im sure it was all thought out by greater minds than mine. After all, we cant all be intellectuals, now can we?

Besides, this aint no ivory tower. This is a vintage arm chair from the swinging 50s - they dont make chairs like they used to, anymore. Hands up - who else has a 60 year old chair?

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Postby AlanStrangis » Mon Dec 08, 2008 6:16 pm

Just wanted to chime in, because I totally agree with the review. Gump was (and is) an actively anti-intellectual movie.

Dr Skoble shouldn't fret though. When I saw it in the theatre back in the day, I wasn't the only one who felt the same way.
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