A Rabbi in the TUrkish Mafia...

[hava1]

http://www.haaretz.co.il/hasite/spages/1045817.html (hebrew)


Haaretz reporting a strange affair from Turkey. The indictment of a "mysterious rabbi" called Daniel Levy, Daniel Gonai, Daniel Tonjai GOnai, from...Toronto, with charges of organized crime and "intelligence work" for the nationalist underground in the 90's/


Haaretz writer gracefully explains that in TUrkey (ahem) the national intelligence is mixed with organized crime, because "they had no choice" other than to use criminals and crime orgs to "defend national security". This might be the prelude for the coming discoveries that ...Israel had done the same.

Anyway, the article goes to describe the particular structure of the organizations and the "mysterious rabbi" of the Beit Yaakov congregation in Toronto.

Apparently, "the rabbi" was inflitrated by the military intel into the Police anti terror unit, which was suspected of having ties with cirminals...
however, some journalists in turkey say he is mossad agent.

I wish this was in English, a master piece of sonpiracy theorists, and a PReCISE descripion of how ISRAELI intle-crime operated. The relevance to Israel is clearer, when u realize that the same is happening here, namely, a war between the governmnent and its own grown organized crime.

The most interesting part IMHO is the inflitration to religious groups, such as Chabad,, Kaballah center and others. TOtall corruption of the holy and scared insitutions for short term goals and corruption.

IF anyone from the canadaian readers has some more info on this "rabbi", be happy to cross post in Israel for the baffled readers.
I have more on the connectoins between
-intel, crime, diamonds, and "rabbis" - in the Canada-Israel matrix. Some interesting discoveries following the read from HArmon posted on the board a few days ago.

[Jeff]

Thanks hava. I hadn't seen this before, but there looks to be a lot of conflicting and peculiar material out there about this.

From the Turkish Press, calling the guy Mossad:

Report: Mossad behind Ergenekon plot
Published: 11/30/2008

A report alleges that Israel's national intelligence agency, Mossad has been behind the Ergenekon plot to topple the Turkish government.

A secret investigation of detained Ergenekon group members and other studies outside Turkey indicate that Mossad orchestrated coups against the Turkish government, the Turkish daily Milliyet reported Sunday.

The Ergenekon group is a Turkish neo-nationalist organization with alleged links to the military, members of which have been arrested on charges of plotting to foment unrest in the country.

Investigators uncovered evidence that show a Jewish rabbi named Tuncay Guney, who worked for Mossad and fled to Canada in 2004, was a key figure behind attempts to overthrow the Turkish government, the paper said, Fars news reported.

A document uncovered this week by the Sabah daily shows how Guney deliberately infiltrated Ergenekon and another organization known as JITEM, an illegal intelligence unit linked with the police and suspected of hundreds of murders and kidnappings.

Meanwhile, a separate report by Turkish daily Yeni Safak has claimed that Turkish security forces have discovered documents in Guney's Istanbul house that disclose information concerning suspicious investment and economic activities by certain Jewish businessmen in Turkey.

The businessmen allegedly have significant relations with individuals, political groups and cultural organizations affiliated with the Ergenekon group.

Turkish security forces have detained many members of the Ergenekon group, including retired army generals, politicians, popular lawyers and famous journalists. The individuals currently face trail on charges of plotting to overthrow Turkish Prime Minister, Recep Tayyip Erdogan.

http://www.turkishpress.com/news.asp?id=255329


From the Jewish community, saying the guy's Turkish intelligence:


Turkish community chief disowns ‘plotter rabbi’

From The Jewish Chronicle
Sami Kohen
November 20, 2008

The Jewish community in Turkey has warned that the case of a supposed convert to Judaism accused of being involved in a conspiracy to overthrow the government may stir antisemitic feeling.

Tuncay Guney, 36, left Turkey in 2004 and emigrated to Canada, where he reportedly adopted the Jewish faith and became a "rabbi" in Toronto.

Mr Guney is charged with being part of a secret nationalist organisation planning to topple the present regime. More than 40 suspects, including retired generals and bureaucrats, are in custody and are now on trial in Istanbul. Mr Guney, being out of the country, will be tried in absentia.

What concerns the Jews here is the sudden appearance of Mr Guney as a rabbi. His picture showing him with a beard and an apparently Charedi outfit has been widely published in the Turkish media and been described as the "Haham" (Jewish sage).

Mr Guney is an obscure and controversial figure, who is said to have had connections with the Turkish and foreign intelligence services. The indictment on the case regarding the projected coup cites him as one of the key figures in the conspiracy.

From Canada, Mr Guney said in interviews with several Turkish television channels that he was working as a rabbi at the Beith Jacob synagogue in Toronto.

He claimed that he was born Jewish, because he was a Sabbetist, a descendent of the Jews in the Ottoman Empire who followed the false Messiah Sabbetai Sevi and converted to Islam in the 17th century.
Turkish Jews have been concerned with the huge publicity that Mr Guney has been receiving in the country's media.

The leader of the Jewish community, Silvio Ovadia, expressed this anxiety at a press conference during which he stressed that the publicity portraying a person accused of conspiracy against the regime as a Jewish convert and a rabbi was provoking anti-Jewish feelings.

Mr Ovadia reported that the Jewish community had made inquiries in Toronto and found no sign of Mr Guney being a rabbi at the Beith Jacob synagogue.

He also said that Mr Guney had no connection whatsoever with the Jewish community in Turkey.

http://www.thejc.com/articles/turkish-c ... i%E2%80%99


And whoa - this should cause Riginters who've studied neo-Nazi mysticism to take notice:


NEW SURPRISE FROM PROSECUTOR: AGARTA


According to the indictment of the Ergenekon probe, the alleged criminal network Ergenekon is a sect-like organization based on the 600-year legend of Agarta.

Some sources describe Agarta as the legendary underground city in Tibet where information about world's history, the oldest faiths and cosmic teachings was kept in hidden archives. Other sources depict Agarta as an organization established by monks from the lost island Atlantis who were waiting for the day when they would return to the surface of the earth from their underground sacred cities.

http://arama.hurriyet.com.tr/arsivnews.aspx?id=9438364

I don't know what is going on, but there's obviously a lot here to unpack!

[Jeff]

The most current English-language story:

Ergenekon witness paid to keep silent, paper claims

A former member of Ergenekon, a clandestine gang with links to behind-the-scene intelligence units nearly 90 of whose alleged members are currently facing charges of having plotted to overthrow the government, has been paid money by the mass-circulation Hürriyet daily to not speak about Hürriyet owner Doğan Media Group's role in the coup plans, according to allegations raised by the Yeni Şafak daily yesterday.

Tuncay Güney, a rabbi who currently resides in Canada, speaking to Yeni Şafak, claimed that the Hürriyet daily had promised him that he would never have a shortage of money as long as he did not discuss what he knows about the Doğan group. Güney formerly worked for some operations of the Nationalist Intelligence Organization (MİT) and is also known to have participated in much of Ergenekon's founding process.

Güney also told the paper that the real leader of Ergenekon and the second most important member were like Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels. "Engels in our case is a businessman who provides financial assistance to Ergenekon."

http://www.todayszaman.com/tz-web/detay ... &bolum=100


I see Wayne Madsen's reporting on this with his unnamed sources, claiming Guney "spent time" in New Jersey before 9/11 and insinuating he had played some role. As usual in recent years I have no idea what to make of Madsen, but I'm left with the general impression of muddied waters.

http://onlinejournal.com/artman/publish ... 4112.shtml

[hava1]

Thanks Jeff,

[nathan28]

And whoa - this should cause Riginters who've studied neo-Nazi mysticism to take notice:


NEW SURPRISE FROM PROSECUTOR: AGARTA


According to the indictment of the Ergenekon probe, the alleged criminal network Ergenekon is a sect-like organization based on the 600-year legend of Agarta.

[Jeff]

I'll see that and raise you a


Ertugrul Ozkok: A strange incident in Ergenekon probe

The other day, before everybody’s eyes, we witnessed the strangest incident yet in the history of Turkey’s judiciary.

Allow me to list one-by-one what we experienced on that day.

Last Friday, Istanbul Chief Prosecutor Aykut Cengiz Engin made an announcement in which he said that on the following Monday at 11:00 a.m. a statement would be made about the Ergenekon indictment.

I organized myself to be available at that time on Monday.

However on Monday, I was speaking to a member of the writing staff from Ankara, Enis Berberoglu, who happened to mention that the “chief prosecutor has started to give his statement”.

I looked at the time; it was 10:45 a.m.

I did not learn why the press conference that had been set for a specific time was brought forward by 15 minutes.

...

While the top prosecutor was stating that most of the information leaked until now was untrue, different voices were being heard from below.

As of the previous night, all members of the Turkish media had found little or no answer to question of up until now, “Who are the sources behind the information leaks?”

...

Yesterday, a friend of mine who follows the “Ergenekon case” with huge hope called me. He sounded disheartened.

This is exactly what he told me:

“Couldn’t they find a better way than this if they had really wanted to water down this case?”

At first I did not understand what they were talking about.

Then later, he said that the word appeared in yesterday’s headline stories:

“Agartha…”*

"If this word has been included in the indictment, the case would become part of farcical history, while we had expected it to be a part of democratic history."

I noticed already that a lot of jokes are circulating in relation to this term.

A lot of these jokes even include reference to the underwater city of Atlantis and the organization "Illuminati" that appeared in Dan Brown's novels.

Yet, this case should be taken seriously, more importantly should be made to be taken seriously.

...

*Note: According to the indictment in the Ergenekon probe, the alleged criminal network Ergenekon is a secret society based on the 600-year legend of Agartha.

http://www.hurriyet.com.tr/english/home ... 4&sz=58213


If I understand correctly, the link to the Agartha mythos is being exploited by the right to discredit the probe into Turkey's Deep State, regardless of whether the link is there or not.

Sounds familiar.

[Jeff]

Back to Guney, he's listed as "Rabbi Daniel T. Guney" of Toronto's "Jacob House Congregation":

http://www.jacobhouse.ca/

There's something odd about this. The website tries to present an impression of activity and community, but everything about it is vague, and even its address is not easy to find. (1655 Dufferin Street, under "contact us.")

I looked up 1655 Dufferin Street: http://www.par-med.com/Admin/MSProperty ... t=1&search



WTF?

[Jeff]

Okay, loathe as I am to site wiki, there is a lot there on Guney.

New York Institute

While working for Milliyet [a Turkish daily paper], Güney expressed his interest in converting to Christianity and learning English in the United States to a Protestant priest in Turkey. He took six months of English lessons from the church. When he eventually fled to New York, he found an Evangelical priest called Howard Williams, possibly through his Protestant connections in Turkey, according to Newsweek. Williams forwarded Güney to an evangelical Turk from Dargeçit, Mardin by the name of Yakup Can, for support. Can says he taught Güney the Old Testament every Thursday—his day off work from the gas station—from noon to eight at night. Finally, Güney converted to Christianity in 2004.[7]

His nominal employer in the United States was the "New York Institute", with addresses in New Jersey and Toronto, Canada; his next destination. According to Can, Güney set up the organization as a front for his journalism and "research activities". Can assented to lending his name as manager of the organization, though he says he did not take part in any of its activities.[7]

When Güney told Can he had concerns over his safety and immigration status, Can drove Güney to the Canadian border.[7]

Jacob's House

Güney says he comes from a Jewish family that descends from Egypt,[23] and that they practiced their faith in secret (crypto-Judaism).[53] He is now rabbi "Daniel Levi" at the Jacob's House ("B'nai Yakov" in Hebrew) Jewish Community Center.[54] However, Milliyet reporters investigated his background and raised several concerns:

* It is impossible for Güney to have completed his rabbinical training since his 2004 arrival in Canada, according to the Turkish Jewish Congregation (Turkish: Türk Musevi Cemaati).[55]

* The Toronto Board of Rabbis has no record of a rabbi by his name. A leading rabbi of the Orthodox community, Moshe Stern, did not recognize his name, and also voiced concerns regarding Güney's rabbinical education.[31]

* Jacob's House, despite listing his name on its Web site,[56] has no records of a rabbi by his name. A personnel query revealed that the head rabbi was someone else.

* The person who answers the listed phone number says it is a language school (the congregation's address is the same as the "New York Institute", mentioned below).[57]

Other sources have also questioned his stated religious identity.[58] Newsweek reports that Güney himself accepts that Jacob's House is not a synagogue, although their Web site says otherwise. It is not registered with the Jewish Foundation of Greater Toronto.[7] Güney counters that his congregation is autonomous, and that journalists have been asking Jewish leaders from communities who have no authority to comment on his own congregation.[59]

Finally, Canadian immigration officials do not question the religious qualifications of visa applicants.[57] Based on these grounds, Milliyet and Newsweek say that Jacob's House is a front organization to enable Güney to reside in Canada.

The congregation's nominal address is an office building at 1655 Dufferin Street in Toronto Central,[60] apparently matching the address of his previous employer, the "New York Institute". This property, a small "medical clinic" building, is listed as an "immediately available" by PAR-Med Property Services Inc.[61]

Güney says he lives in Toronto's Jewish community, and does not have Canadian citizenship.[7]

Daniel Levi

The name Güney goes by in Canada is the same as the person who was convicted in absentia with Canadian citizen Mohammed el-Attar (now jailed in Egypt) for being spies for Israel.[62] Like Güney, el-Attar said he was a homosexual, religious convert, and that he confessed only after days of torture.[63] el-Attar said that Levi recommended he identify himself as a homosexual and change his religion before applying for asylum in Canada. The other two convicts at large, who have Turkish first names and have not been sighted, are Kemal Kosba and Tuncay Bubay.[64] According to a senior official at Egypt's Ministry of Foreign Affairs, Kosba, Bubay, and Levi are all aliases for Tuncay Güney.[65] Egyptian sources allege that the convicts were MOSSAD agents trying to recruit Egptians into MOSSAD.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuncay_G%C3%BCney

[wintler2]

Key connection verified by suspect
http://www.hurriyet.com.tr/english/dome ... .asp?scr=1
Dec 13 2008

ANKARA - Testimony from an Ergenekon suspect has verified the existence of a close connection between Tuncay Güney and Mehmet Eymür, a former intelligence officer, although both men denied it.

Key connection verified by suspect In his testimony during Friday’s hearing of the Ergenekon case, Ümit Oğuztan, who worked with Güney at "Strateji" magazine, claimed that Güney, considered the key figure in the Ergenekon case, had said he directly conveyed intelligence and photos to Eymür at the National Intelligence Organization, or MİT.

Güney’s relations
Oğuztan further said Güney befriended the Iran Consulate’s political affairs undersecretary Muhsin Karger. Güney was news editor at the magazine, and Oğuztan was the editor-in-chief. MİT’s denial that the Ergenekon case’s central figure Tuncay Güney Ğ whose archive made up the bulk of the Ergenekon indictment Ğ was a registered intelligence source, did nothing to soothe the controversy over the self-declared rabbi in the national media.

Daily Milliyet highlighted the mystery of how Güney managed to baffle experienced police officers. Former vice-chief of the police’s organized crime bureau, Ahmet İhtiyaroğlu, who interrogated Güney in 2001 while he was detained under suspicion of organized fraud, stated that Güney’s testimony included extraordinary details and a mass of information he had never witnessed before.

"I interrogated 24,000 people, but have never seen the likes of him," said İhtiyaroğlu, who disclosed details of the interrogation of Güney with a petition to the prosecutors office Oct. 28 "to help Justice."

"I told my chief that if what this man says is true, then MİT's undersecretary, the chief of staff's intelligence chief and the police intelligence chief should be here, too. We do not have the ability to filter the truth in what he says," İhtiyaroğlu said. "It was as if he was sent by someone to say this. Hakan from the intelligence unit noted that his department knew some of the things Güney said, and proposed starting a joint operation. I did not believe Güney’s testimony, but our chief decided to demand permission for an operation," İhtiyaroğlu wrote.

Güney said the MİT answer was meant to verify that the information he provided and the documents discovered at his house were correct, in an interview published in the daily Yeni Şafak. "I need to repeat that I respect MİT, but I am not their man," Güney said.

Pro-government daily Sabah wrote that a MİT answer to prosecutor Öz, who demanded to know whether Güney was working for MİT, proves that he indeed worked for the organization. "Güney was referred to as ’Tuncay Güney İPEK,’ in MİT’s response, with the codename İpek, though Öz’s question only used the name ’Tuncay Güney,’" Sabah said.

Multiple identities
Daily Vatan underlined his multiple identities. Güney earlier worked for Samanyolu TV, he is accused of working for the CIA, or being a member of the Fethullah Gülen community. He allegedly leaked Gülen’s religious sermons that acted as evidence of his reactionary activities. Güney is also said to have nurtured close ties with the retired brigadier General Veli Küçük, who is on trial in the Ergenekon case.

---

Just to be clear, the Ergenekon case is about military & rightwingers running false flag terror ops (including a 2006 attack, judge killed) http://edition.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/europ ... index.html
to facilitate a coup against the moderate Islamic ruling party, correct? Now who could possibly benefit from that, duh!

Jacobs House is probably not uncommon name, Toronot's one shares with a "Nonproft Prophetic Christian Ministry" that has all sorts of scary news straight from god, via "a Messianic, Levite Jew" http://www.thereturnofjesusbyjacob.com/ and an Asheboro, NC address,
and an evangelical-run shelter for abused children in Missouri
http://jacobshouse.org/about-us . Heres hoping they've got nothing to do with each other.

[jingofever]

Inside the Ergenekon Case.

If you ask questions about the indictment, or even if you express your concern about the seriousness of the case, there you go into the Kemalist box. If you clap your hands whenever you hear the name of the Ergenekon case, then you can be considered a democrat and can inhabit the same box as those I mentioned above. In that box the concept of democracy is reduced to freedom of faith, and its links to social justice or equality have been cut mercilessly. That is why in Turkey at the moment, if you are coming from the left, in order to be recognized as ‘not a fascist’ you are obliged to bow your head before right-wing perceptions of democracy. Even though it was the left that has been the ultimate victim of the deep state, they are for the time being the ones accused of being the deep state itself.

[Jeff]

Haaretz has just published an English story. I'm uncertain, but I think it's a translation of the Hebrew piece hava linked to in the original post.

A 'rabbi' in the underground
By Zvi Bar'el

Daniel Levi, Daniel Guney or Tuncay Guney? Who is this person whom the prosecution in Turkey last week said it wanted to summon to interrogate? According to reports in the Turkish newspaper Milliyet, he is a Mossad agent who was a member of the right-wing nationalist underground known as Ergenekon. It is alleged that Ergenekon planned to topple the pro-Islamic government of Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan.

Another Turkish newspaper, Yeni Safak, reported that documents were found in Guney's apartment that allegedly link members of Israel's business community with important Turkish figures also involved in the Ergenekon affair.

According to other reports in the Turkish press, Guney was an agent of the Turkish intelligence service who penetrated both the ranks of the Turkish police's intelligence service and the Ergenekon organization so as to expose the identity of its members. In 2004, Guney was smuggled out of Turkey and clandestinely sent to the United States; he subsequently moved to Canada, where his name appears in the membership list of Congregation Beit Yaakov as Daniel T. Guney.

An attempt to obtain Guney's reaction proved fruitless; however, last week, the 36-year-old Guney spoke with Turkish journalists and reacted to the accusations: "I have never been an intelligence agent, and I was given the name 'Silk' not because I was an agent but because I was the subject of intelligence surveillance." That is not what the National Intelligence Organization, for which Guney apparently worked, is saying; it denies that he was one of its agents and that he penetrated both the ranks of the Turkish police's intelligence service and Turkey's counterterrorism unit. The latter agency was a division of the National Intelligence Organization but was dismantled in the wake of allegations that it was involved in criminal activities and even played a role in the assassination of political opponents.

Despite the denial, it seems apparent that the allegations are true; a Turkish court is now demanding that the National Intelligence Organization report to it on its links with this suspected agent, who is now being referred to as "the rabbi." It is doubtful that Guney is actually a rabbi; the child of Jews of Egyptian origin, he worked as a journalist in Turkey. He subsequently began to deal in the sale of stolen cars and, between the time he was smuggled out of Turkey to the present day, he does not seem to have engaged in any academic program that might have included rabbinical studies. However, that has not stopped Turkish newspapers from labeling him as a Mossad agent-cum-rabbi who supposedly worked for Turkey's National Intelligence Organization.

The Ergenekon underground (the name is derived from Turkish mythology) was uncovered last year. According to the evidence of written material and tape transcripts, which are contained in a 2,500-page document, the underground included army officers, retired officers, journalists, writers, government employees and members of the Turkish business community - in short, a sort of secret shadow government. Its ideology was the restoration of the secular Turkey that was envisaged by Mustafa Kemal Ataturk, the founder of the Turkish Republic and its first president. For the members of Ergenekon, Turkey became a theocratic state with the installation of the government of Erdogan and the party he heads, the Justice and Development Party (AKP).

The fact that the affair exploded just before the Turkish Constitutional Court was about to decide whether the AKP regime should continue did arouse suspicions that the affair was being manipulated to defend the party; however, as the investigation progressed, it became increasingly evident that the underground is far more complex than was initially thought. Last month, 86 individuals suspected of membership in Ergenekon went on trial, and evidence is now emerging on the way Turkey's counterterrorism unit and its National Intelligence Organization have been operating.

In an interview with the Turkish newspaper Today's Zaman, Ertugrul Guven, former deputy undersecretary of the National Intelligence Organization in the 1990s, states that the various branches of Turkey's intelligence mechanism (there are at least five) did not coordinate the exchange of data between them and that, in point of fact, there was no mechanism for data exchange between the branches simply because of jealousy. "As a result, information-gathering in Turkey has a major Achilles' heel," explains Guven, who alleges that in the past, especially in the 1980s, Turkish diplomats were assassinated by Armenian terrorists, and that some foreign espionage agencies tended to ignore the actions of these terrorists. "Turkey," he points out, "was forced to develop a policy for dealing with these attacks. This is perhaps the reason why the National Intelligence Organization used the services of individuals with strong nationalist feelings to thwart the assassination plots fomented by Armenian terrorists. However, these people continue to engage in illegal activities and adopted a Mafia-style modus operandi. They continue to use the name of the National Intelligence Organization, although their membership in that intelligence service ended when their mission was completed."

The uncovering of the operational methods of the National Intelligence Organization and the admission that it employed criminals do not constitute anything new for the majority of Turkey's citizens. Over the past decade, the media has publicized criminal scandals involving members of Turkey's police, army and intelligence services, and the various reports have created the feeling that two or even three parallel governments are operating in the country. Even today, when the wave of arrests attests to the scope of involvement in the Ergenekon affair, the prosecution in Turkey is finding it difficult to determine who are the organization's leaders and whether there might not be another network or branch of Ergenekon that has yet to be uncovered. In the meantime, several political leaders who are members of the country's nationalist parties have declared that they have begun the process of purging extreme nationalists from the ranks of their respective parties. Nonetheless, there is no guarantee that those who are leaving, or will leave, the official parties will not set up their own secret organization and continue their activities.

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1046230.html

[hava1]

Yes jeff, that's that. Except already the title is different. the Hebrew title is "Danial Gonai, the Rabbi of the Turkish Mafia", and that's not the same as the English title. I suppose there r various other differences, too tired to look it up.
Its not the only time that Haaretz is modifying the English publication so as not to piss off the Jewish readers abroad or the Minsitry of Foreign affairs. HAving said that, does not mean I credit the Hebrew version with accuracy. Haaretz is a spokesman of the Mossad not less than other meidia outlets here.

[AlicetheKurious]

The name Güney goes by in Canada is the same as the person who was convicted in absentia with Canadian citizen Mohammed el-Attar (now jailed in Egypt) for being spies for Israel.[62] Like Güney, el-Attar said he was a homosexual, religious convert, and that he confessed only after days of torture.[63] el-Attar said that Levi recommended he identify himself as a homosexual and change his religion before applying for asylum in Canada. The other two convicts at large, who have Turkish first names and have not been sighted, are Kemal Kosba and Tuncay Bubay.[64] According to a senior official at Egypt's Ministry of Foreign Affairs, Kosba, Bubay, and Levi are all aliases for Tuncay Güney.[65] Egyptian sources allege that the convicts were MOSSAD agents trying to recruit Egptians into MOSSAD.

Very interesting. The case of Mohamed el-Attar was a big thing in the news last year. During the trial, Al-Attar said that he was recruited by the Mossad in Turkey, where he had gone seeking work. From that point on, he received regular cash payments -- the homosexual angle, with its blackmail potential, would have been extra insurance. From there, he was given a new identity as a Copt and transferred to Toronto, where his papers were prepared and he was given a job at a Middle Eastern fast food restaurant, and later at a bank in a neighborhood with a high concentration of Coptic immigrants, where he was assigned to recruit Copts for the Mossad.

[hava1]

I am not getting a clear picture on this affair, but would just like to add something, re MK programs. Change of sexual orientation along with bizarre conversions are a trademark of some MK victims. I do not know if this applies to Guney or the others, but would consider that an option.

I know this gets into hot waters, re the ability to change sexual orientation etc., but from personal knowledge, this is being done to MK dupes, and is a stage in control-programming.

The Toronto placement is interesting, since I was there in 2004 and hunted down by Mossad, there was a whole web of ops and organization in Toronto, which made is hard to ward those creeps off. The person who "took over me" named Moti Pflaster (sp ?) is Canadian citizen, former Israeli (by marriage and divorce), was also member and active in the Ontario Conservative party. HE had a sort of "Arrangement" with local police and immigration, they had a standard operation procedure all ready and greased. The entire North Toronto area seemed creepy, the Duffrein etc. with all those dubious Chabad looking orgs and "centers".

God help us

[AlicetheKurious]

This Ergenekon sort of reminds me of Gladio and P2.

As for the Turkish/Israeli alliance at the "deep state" level, it's nothing new:

Turkey, Israel and the U.S., By Jason Vest, The Nation, August 23, 2002.

Imagine the fury of these characters when Erdogan was elected prime minister!

Also, let's not forget that Sibel Edmonds tied these neocon Likudnik types, not only to elements in Turkish "intelligence" ("Turkish mafia" is a far more appropriate designation), but to..."al Qaeda". Hmmm.