Delmart Vreeland sentenced to 336 yrs for child sex crimes

[the_last_name_left]

gee - look at the "truthseekers", huh?

Impressive, isn't it?

[sunny]

Didnt you get it yet? This is NOT Prison Planet. Fuck off, Prison Planet and Alex Jones. And Henry fucking racist Makow. And Whatreallyhappened.com and who else is there, oh yeah, Jeff Rense too, to the thrashpile.
There was even a thread about nastiness of Alex Jones, in which you posted. Thou it seemed there too that you thought it was defending him, when it actually wasnt.

I was going to say LNL doesn't do nuance, but apparently he doesn't do "stark contrast" either.

[vanlose kid]

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[Penguin]

gee - look at the "truthseekers", huh?

Impressive, isn't it?

Ok, Ill spell it out for you since you clearly cannot understand:
Yeah, Alex Jones is an antisemitist, raving lunatic.
So is Rense. So are probably many of posters there, on their sites. They make their own rules

This is not Prison Planet forums, and this is not Rense forums. This is an Anti-Fascist board, where holocaust revisionism and antisemitism are FORBIDDEN, and people espousing or defending such will be BANNED. In the time you have been here, at least one poster, bigearth, was instantly banned when he was spouting bullshit like that. It should be obvious to you.

Why are you going on and on and on about Prison Planet and such here? We know about all those places and what kind of garbage they spout. WE KNOW. So what, internet is full of jackasses posting crap of all kinds.

So shut up about it already. I am not a "troofer", "trooper", or "breakfast fucking pancake". Nor am I an antisemitist, or a stormtrooper.

The posting / forum rules are clear. If you see someone post something antisemitic, you report it to Jeff, or one of the other mods (sunny, et in Arcadia ego, annie aronburg...) by sending them a private message or an email, and include a link to the posting in the message, and they will take care of it. By banning if need be. And thats it.



http://www.cosmosmagazine.com/news/2428 ... g-dementia

"Researchers at the University of New South Wales, found that patients under the age of 65 suffering from frontotemporal dementia (FTD), the second most common form of dementia, cannot detect when someone is being sarcastic."

[the_last_name_left]

2 simple questions.

1) -

I am not a "troofer", "trooper", or "breakfast fucking pancake". Nor am I an antisemitist, or a stormtrooper.

so WTF are you getting your knickers in a twist about then?



2) - what is the DIFFERENCE between Alex Jones saying "bankers - NWO - globalist cabal" and all his bullshit - and someone HERE saying it?

What is the difference?

[vigilant]

For instance - the notion of some world conspiracy cabal effecting control over society through banks, media, economics and politics is not very far from Hitlerite fantasies.

Bankers, captains of industry, ruling elites, shadowy cabals - these can easily be seen as conceptual equivalences of the jews' role under nazism. Did nazism have to scapegoat jews, or could it have been anyone? Anyone, would have done, surely, as there's no reason to suppose jews deserved such victimisation.

And within 911 Troof the words bankers, elites, oligarchs really are understood as euphemisms for joooos.

It isn't good enough to say "Not everyone thinks like that." People certainly do think like that, and the framework isn't only anti-semitism it's the conceptual framework itself that's important - global conspiracy - shadowy cabal etc etc. However it's painted by conspiracists whom believe it, it always smacks of essentially the same concept.

And no - simply using that framework doesn't mean anyone is necessarily a fascist. The point is rather that the framework is there - the violence directed towards specific targets follows after that framework is in place - violence doesn't precede the framework, that is clear from rise of fascism.

Another thread shared between rise of fascism in germany and 911 troof is the undermining of confidence and belief in liberal democracy - a sense that the liberal state is incapable of producing the calm, order - and profits! - that liberal democracy professes to. What is 911 conspiracy if not an attack on the legitimacy of american democracy?

911 Troof seems to operate on a level of assuming the government is the root of all evil - and that nothing could be worse. But how many more shocks can american democracy take? How many national defeats and economic crises can it withstand? It surely isn't infinite?

There's a confusion over terms as well - something nazism exploited. Like 911 Troof, nazism was essentially very hostile to socialism, but it garbed itself in the revolutionary accoutrements of socialism - as does 911 troof. Nazism even called itself 'socialism'. I see overtones of this in 911 troof - an essential deep hostility to socialism, whilst proclaiming much of the socialist critique and iconography of socialism as its own. A simple crude example is Alex Jones's wholesale theft from Orwell - whilst denigrating orwell's politics, and suggesting Socialists are "the real enemy". Michael Moore's Sicko disappeared for troofers.

Then we have the nazi claims of capitalism and socialism both being jewish plots - two sides of the same coin. That's another shared framework between rise of nazism and 911 troof. There's a false claim shared by both that they are not capitalists, nor are they socialists. There's a shared pretence they occupy new ground. They both share the ambivalent claims that they reject broken or sick capitalism (jewish capitalism for nazis) but both promote a tacit aacceptance of it, claiming their own version won't be subject to such crises, as the problems stem not from capitalism itself per se, but rather with the sickness of capitalism - caused by globalists on the one hand (for troofers), and jews on the other (for nazism).

Then we have the threads of nationalism. Evidently 911 troof evokes deep feelings of nationalism, or patriotism, as yanks prefer. This feeds right back into 911 troofs roots in militia movement, where it meets christian identity, and crosses over into outright fascism big-time.

There are a lot of connections between the propaganda organs of 911 troof, the patriot movement and organised fascism. WorldNetDaily is run by Farrah - who sits on some kooky religious sect in Coeur D'alene. WND promote Jerome Corsi. Corsi is so appealing to the far-right he was found broadcasting to them. Cour d'Alene is hotbed of neo-nazism. There's Rivero, supporting all of Willis Carto's crap from Bollyn and the rest, and Curt Maynard and his racist drivel championing nazism; NoMoreWarsForIsrael; nordwave - joe fields etc. These are full-blown neo-nazis? And yet Rivero also hooks up with Alex Jones, with whom he shares a broadcaster and sponsors......and - importantly - a general worldview.

And it's that general worldview I am getting at. How much must one share of the ideas and conceptions of nazism before one really IS a nazi? And why are there all these ties between 911 troof and fascism? There must be reasons for it.

This is a very brief, off-the-cuff synopsis of my argument. I'm trying to distill a lot of stuff into simple terms. IMO it would take a book to do the topic justice - and someone cleverer than me - lol

The cuture on this board historically has a low tolerance for bigotry, racism, haters, etc...In this thread about child sex crimes , in the "one post alone" you have made 8 references to jews, 14 references to nazis, and demanded that any crimes of

" Bankers, captains of industry, ruling elites, shadowy cabals - these can easily be seen as conceptual equivalences of the jews' role under nazism. "

must of course, according to you, be tied to, equated with jews and nazis. At the same time you demand that this sort of crime exists. Perhaps it is the very reason you feel the reactions you are getting also suggest that you are not well received?

here is the wiki definition for fascism: Of course it isn't the final authority, but have you noticed that this definition, like most others, does not equate fascism exclusively with jews or nazis?

Fascism is an authoritarian or totalitarian nationalist ideology,[1][2] which is primarily concerned with notions of decline or decadence, and which seeks to solve such problems by achieving a millenarian national rebirth, exalting the nation or race above all else, and promoting cults of unity, strength and purity.[3][4][5][6][7] Fascists typically seek to form a mass movement of militants who are willing to engage in violence against their perceived enemies.[8] Fascism opposes international socialism, communism, conservatism, democracy, individualism, liberalism, materialism, pacifism, laissez faire, and political pluralism.[9][4][3][10][11][12][13][14][15] Some fascists see themselves as advocating a third position alternative to both capitalism and communism.

Bankers, captains of industry, ruling elites, shadowy cabals - these can easily be seen as conceptual equivalences of the jews' role under nazism.
That is perhaps one of the saddest statements I have ever seen. I think you are a racist using what you believe to be some sort of reverse methodology. Why do you "insist" on equating the jews with terms you demand are so derogatory?


Every thread on this board is not an obsession nor reference to "your obsession with the jews". Just because your obsession leads you to believe it does not make it true.

Start a thread about your obsession and leave it out of all the other threads. Then anyone that wants to debate your "obsession" with you will follow you there.
Not a bad idea huh?

[vigilant]

Oh wow, back at the "you are all antisemitists, even if you dont know it!"

I am NOT making such a crude point.

In fact, your own denunciation of my point is what Seagall was getting at - if you strip away the anti-semitism angle.

To paraphrase him - "any criticism of 911 truth 'now automatically gains you a rank as Anti Troofist'"

ain't that right?

My criticism is legitimate but you can't even address it. Instead you resort to claiming I am accusing everyone of anti-semitism. Total bullshit.
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and penguin - did you introduce this canard as a genuine effort at distraction?

(whether hatred of Arabs, a semitic people, is also included, Mr. Seagull couldnt say. He referred this question to the Immigration authorities.)

What bullshit.

Don't play fast and loose with the meaning of words. We all know what anti-semitism means. To pretend it means otherwise is well, you know........bullshit.

This isn't a 911 truth thread you dumbass. It isn't an all roads lead to "jewish" bankers thread either dumbass.

Go start a thread called, "jewish bankers" or ""troofers hate jewish bankers" or whatever the hell you wanna call it. what a dipshit you are.

[Penguin]

so WTF are you getting your knickers in a twist about then?



2) - what is the DIFFERENCE between Alex Jones saying "bankers - NWO - globalist cabal" and all his bullshit - and someone HERE saying it?

What is the difference?

YOU are the difference.
Your point is: Since Alex Jones says "bankers - NWO - globalist cabal = JEWS" you say we mean it too. That is not true and you cannot find a single quote by me saying anything of the sort. Thats a lie - I have never said such shit and I never will. You have said so many times already - and you keep claiming others do - you keep on keep on keep on accusing all of us with a broad brush. If someone does say that here, report him/her to Jeff, and Jeff will use the Ban button.

Does George Bush Older also mean Jews when he says "New world order"? Does Gordon Brown mean Jews when he says New world order?
Does IMF head mean Jews when he says "a new financial world order?"
No, they dont. They mean businessmen (criminals) like themselves.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/fina ... ssion.html

http://www.dailynewscaster.com/2008/11/ ... rld-order/

http://uk.reuters.com/article/UKNews1/i ... XS20081030 ""To that effect, I will propose at the G20 a plan for a new governance, or a 'global regulation strategy', based on five principles," "Strauss-Kahn said the IMF should not be considered simply as a "fireman" that comes to the rescue of distressed countries at times of emergency, but that the Fund also wanted to be a "mason" with a role in rebuilding economic growth."

http://www.americanfreepress.net/html/b ... r_158.html
"Nearly 20 years after President George H.W. Bush, in a landmark speech, heralded “a new world order,” which would crush any nation, leader or revolutionary group that defied the American empire, a second Bush
is proclaiming the advent of a powerful and unified global financial order that will foster such “ideals” as free trade, debt and the supremacy of the dollar."

http://news.scotsman.com/world/A-nearri ... 4722970.jp
"A near-riot and parliament besieged: Iceland boiling mad at credit crunch"
Iceland was the first country to ask the IMF for help as the turmoil in the credit markets in October hit home.
The UK government used anti-terrorism legislation to freeze money deposited by UK savers in Icelandic banks in order to ensure that their money was protected."

Yeah, you must be an antisemite if you use words New World Order.
Idiot.

[AhabsOtherLeg]

Lol.
Seagal didnt say anything.
I just made that up.

Thought it was too horrific to be true... a thread at RI featuring serious discussion of Steven Seagal's political views.

It was only a nightmare.

As an aside, heard on Have I Got News For You the other night that Randy Bumgardener's dad was also called Delmart. How common a name is that - where does it come from? And his mum was called Mincie, which almost became his middle name.

Randy Mincie Bumgardener. Seriously. It almost happened.

Now get back to talking about Delmart Vreeland, you beautiful fools.

[mentalgongfu2]

HEY GUYS

SORRY TO INTERRUPT THE FLAME WAR

BUT

I HEARD DELMART VREELAND GOT 336 YEARS IN PRISON ON KIDDIE PORN!


WTF????!!!!!!

[Penguin]

How can one serve that many years...
Wouldnt a "until hes dead" do it? Or do they keep the bones till that time is up?

[Penguin]

This is a quote from a thread at Stormfront. It clearly makes the basic arguments of why 911 Troof has been so important to the far-right ie organised fascism.

And now youre quoting Stormfront? Cut that shit out already. You are a good example why antisemitism and 911 Troof are still so important to the far right ie organized fascism. What you are doing, time and time again, is accuse people here broadly and baselessly, insinuatingly, of agreeing with 1) antisemitists, 2)Alex Jones 3) "Troof" 4) StormFront 5) fascism 6) Hitler.

How many hundred posts more do we have to see from this demagogue?

(goes to look for more cunning annoying picture replies)

[Jeff]

HEY GUYS

SORRY TO INTERRUPT THE FLAME WAR

BUT

I HEARD DELMART VREELAND GOT 336 YEARS IN PRISON ON KIDDIE PORN!


WTF????!!!!!!

Thanks.

FWIW, I spoke to Vreeland's former Toronto attorney tonight. He doesn't believe Vreeland capable of the crimes and thinks he was set up. For myself, the entanglement of 9/11, spooks and paedophilia seems more disturbingly complicated than that.

Andy Stephenson was a confidant of Vreeland, and before these charges surfaced he told me Vreeland alluded to a history of covert abuse very much like the Franklin Cover-Up.

IMO, Vreeland's a pathological liar and a spook, so I can't say with any certainty what his story really is. (Or even if he knows his own story.) But I'm pretty certain it's a troubling one.

[OP ED]

i just said he was a troll, not that anyone should ban him.

he makes for an good object lesson in how not to behave.

next person who quotes stormfront in reference to anything i have to say will be PMed pictures of me analingusing a jew.

[Penguin]

IMO, Vreeland's a pathological liar and a spook, so I can't say with any certainty what his story really is. (Or even if he knows his own story.) But I'm pretty certain it's a troubling one.

Aint that a sought after trait in that line of work?

Ive known one pathological liar (a friend too!), and its really hard to get along with a person like that. You never know when one is lying - that person would lie even when there was nothing to gain from it. In the end it led to nobody believing anything one said - it could, after all, be a plainfaced lie. Which it often was. In the end that comes around, one way or another. We still tried, too...But the person just couldnt help it, was coming from a long way, very nasty childhood experiences...No trust at all. Thou I suppose that could be an innate or a learned trait too.