Delmart Vreeland sentenced to 336 yrs for child sex crimes

[catbirdsteed]

Looking at people closely, often, I can see the two-faced syndrome all around me, and all of us have it to a certain extent.

I'm certain that some of the very evil folks in the world have a "perfect structure" of the face. Kind and brilliant people can have lopsided faces, stroke victims, disabled peeps, you will see it a lot in those pops. Some types of "mental illness" will elicit the look, and if it doesn't the meds often will.

I do think that the many of the extreme lopsided-lookers in the world have some pituitary/thyroid problems, which may in some cases exacerbate or incite psycho-social illnesses. I also state that these glandular imbalances can be by stabilized through diet, nutrition and sometimes surgery. This may help moderate anti- and a-social behavior, if the hormone problem has a role.

I can also see that fomenting lies and confusion- for very dubious ends- and proffering pain will make some folks faces flop and turn them as such. More likley, being a victim of torture and abuse will do the same to a persons face. Certainly, way too many have seen a lot of both.

Th lopsided face on this perp may imply a certain read to this story, but the face does not convict him. It suggests to me that he has been victim to more tha his share of brutality, even if he has proffers some along the way, but to say so categorically smacks of phrenology-speak

Of, course there are cases where it is seems that the brutalization came primarily from within, but I suspect that this is- at times- a cover story and there was a pattern established years ago.

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[cptmarginal]

If you use a photo editing program and mirror either side of his face over you get two perfectly symmetrical faces which look very similar, save for in one regard: one looks gruff and scary, the other looks meek and scared (especially the eyes)

This shit is fascinating... Much better than that other shit going on in this thread

One former CIA officer, David MacMichael, has said that the agency looks for these freelancers at small community airports and gun ranges - places where men go to escape the boredom of everyday life.

That's a very interesting piece of information.

Oh, and thanks for the plethora of info, Penguin!

[Penguin]

If you use a photo editing program and mirror either side of his face over you get two perfectly symmetrical faces which look very similar, save for in one regard: one looks gruff and scary, the other looks meek and scared (especially the eyes)

I can also see that fomenting lies and confusion- for very dubious ends- and proffering pain will make some folks faces flop and turn them as such. More likley, being a victim of torture and abuse will do the same to a persons face. Certainly, way too many have seen a lot of both.

Th lopsided face on this perp may imply a certain read to this story, but the face does not convict him. It suggests to me that he has been victim to more tha his share of brutality, even if he has proffers some along the way, but to say so categorically smacks of phrenology-speak

Of, course there are cases where it is seems that the brutalization came primarily from within, but I suspect that this is- at times- a cover story and there was a pattern established years ago.

Yup. I notice it without even hiding the other half or mirroring it. But Im a faces person - I can remember a face if Ive seen it just once usually. Years later, same as the voice of a person.

And of course many things can cause such lopsidedness as said above. But rarely does one see it so pronounced. Dont judge a dog by his fur, aye? Ive had some buttugly friends who were very nice people. Ive been told I look like a contract killer too when I concentrate - like when Im driving, Im told I look utterly scary.

That friend I mentioned earlier, who is a true pathological liar, also had a violent childhood, eventually ended up in a child group home etc afetr being harshly beaten...For him Im sure it was caused by all that from a very young age. It was like a defense, and boy was it good. I sometimes watched him bullshit a free trip on a long distance train, for example...Thou sometimes he would do minor bad stuff to people who didnt deserve it.

One other friend is the total opposite - an empathic social engineer. He has a goddamn keen eye to people - he usually is on the same frequency within seconds of meeting a new person. Hes really likable and genuinely empathic - Ive seen him talk people into doing stuff they 10 minutes earlier said theyd never do. Mind you, never bad stuff, and always with a twinkle in the eye. Im so glad I met him, he taught me many things about social engineering. A true oldskool hacker, he was. Knew me better than me in some regards too, hehe...

[brainpanhandler]

Th lopsided face on this perp may imply a certain read to this story, but the face does not convict him. It suggests to me that he has been victim to more tha his share of brutality, even if he has proffers some along the way, but to say so categorically smacks of phrenology-speak

These were my thoughts as well. Your whole post was really well thought out and well said. I just wanted to put a face on the guy and when I looked at it closely I couldn't help but notice the two face thing. Apologies, if I've managed to take this thread ot again.

This shit is fascinating

Yes it is.

It seems hard to be sure the guy's name is even meaningfully real... do we know for sure that this Vreeland LOOKS at all like the 80s-90s Vreeland?

I skimmed the debunking site you posted a link to. The Florida Department of Corrections link under the header Vreeland's Criminal History caught my eye. Here's his mugshot from the late 90's in the Florida system.




His Current Status on the Fl dept of corrections site is listed as "absconder/fugitive. He was convicted on two charges of grand theft.

Such characters are a researcher's nemesis; they are meant to be. When the CIA or other intelligence agencies need to hire a "contractor," who may be required to carry out tasks that are potentially dangerous and of questionable legality, they look for three things: a specific and useful skill (a knowledge of money-laundering, perhaps); a romantic streak that glorifies both the secrecy and the risk; and a propensity for exageration and trouble. One former CIA officer, David MacMichael, has said that the agency looks for these freelancers at small community airports and gun ranges - places where men go to escape the boredom of everyday life. Looking for adventure, these men are fascinated by the imagined glamour and excitement of the world of espionage. MacMichael said that often, after one or two assignments, the agency will put a contractor on a case in which he runs afoul of the law. The contractor finds himself in a compromising position - nothing so major as to put him permanently out of commission, but significant enough that if he ever starts telling tales out of school about covert operations, his record will discredit his testimony.

On a much less spooky cloak and dagger level I have rubbed elbows with characters like this. I was curious enough to want to understand what makes people like this tick and I thought I was smart enough to figure it all out and stay clear of whatever scams they were going to try. I've gotten myself into some hairy situations as a result.

[Free]

Don’t have time to read and research the whole history of Delmart Vreeland, but a scan of some of the basic elements tells me that he’s a:

-sociopathic, serial child abuser
-who has a long history with military intelligence including a stint as 9/11 disinformationist

These are both hallmarks of an active, lifelong cult member. The split facial characteristics can be a sign of a victim of twinning, a program that is often installed as an infant. Twinning is often inflicted on the second day of life (considered the cult birthday) by way of a trauma with a bright light or other less high tech means. The trauma splits the brain into two parts. This sets up the basis of the whole alter system that will be installed systematically in childhood and reinforced at intervals as an adult. One half of the person is the front person who interfaces with everyday life, the other half is the cult person who interfaces with other cult members. Each half contains numerous alters and alter-systems.

[Fat Lady Singing]

If you use a photo editing program and mirror either side of his face over you get two perfectly symmetrical faces which look very similar, save for in one regard: one looks gruff and scary, the other looks meek and scared (especially the eyes)

cptmarginal, if you've already done this, would you mind posting the results? I'd appreciate it, because I'm not seeing it from just covering half the face. If you don't have the images saved, no biggie... I can probably figure out how to do it myself.

Also, very few faces are symmetrical, although, according to a study I once read about, we tend to find people with more symmetrical features to be more aesthetically pleasing. People (like actors) who are considered "traditionally handsome/beautiful" have more symmetrical faces.

[Fat Lady Singing]

Don’t have time to read and research the whole history of Delmart Vreeland, but a scan of some of the basic elements tells me that he’s a:

-sociopathic, serial child abuser
-who has a long history with military intelligence including a stint as 9/11 disinformationist

These are both hallmarks of an active, lifelong cult member. The split facial characteristics can be a sign of a victim of twinning, a program that is often installed as an infant. Twinning is often inflicted on the second day of life (considered the cult birthday) by way of a trauma with a bright light or other less high tech means. The trauma splits the brain into two parts. This sets up the basis of the whole alter system that will be installed systematically in childhood and reinforced at intervals as an adult. One half of the person is the front person who interfaces with everyday life, the other half is the cult person who interfaces with other cult members. Each half contains numerous alters and alter-systems.

This is fascinating information, Free, and thank you for sharing it. I'm guessing it would have to be a specific cult you're talking about, though, right? I mean, not *every* cult does this... some are UFO cults, some are extreme right-wing Christian cults, etc., and there are probably wide variations among Satanic cults, as well. There are innumerable cults in the world and not all of them do this kind of thing, right? Would you mind elaborating on the particular kind of cult you mean?

[Free]

"The cult" is survivor slang for the loose association of gov./military/freemasonic/ritual abusing intergenerational criminals who live among us, posing as normal people.

[Fat Lady Singing]

"The cult" is survivor slang for the loose association of gov./military/freemasonic/ritual abusing intergenerational criminals who live among us, posing as normal people.

Oh! OK, thanks for clarifying, Free. I appreciate it. I thought that might be what you were referring to, but I wanted to be sure, since I'd never heard of some of those details. Thanks again.

[Free]

No problem. Thanks for mentioning it because "the cult" wasn't very clear...most are not privy to survivor slang.

There's a lot that could be said here but I have to go now. I may come back to this later.

[marmot]

These are both hallmarks of an active, lifelong cult member.

Agreed.

The split facial characteristics can be a sign of a victim of twinning, a program that is often installed as an infant. Twinning is often inflicted on the second day of life (considered the cult birthday) by way of a trauma with a bright light or other less high tech means. The trauma splits the brain into two parts. This sets up the basis of the whole alter system that will be installed systematically in childhood and reinforced at intervals as an adult. One half of the person is the front person who interfaces with everyday life, the other half is the cult person who interfaces with other cult members. Each half contains numerous alters and alter-systems.

Free. I'm always glad to discover other researchers who have a sincere interest in and credible knowledge of trauma-based programming. From first appearances here it seems you have some understanding but are confusing terms and procedures. Twinning, according to my research, has to do with a pairing of two different children and this would not be done on the second day of life. I'd be curious to know where you got your information. Could you fill me in a little more?

Also, it's a grave oversimplification to say that the brain splits into two parts. But since you mention it, I think our understanding of how our two brains work may give us a key as to the lopsided-look. With the left-hemisphere controlling the right side of the face (and body) and the right-hemisphere controlling the left side of the face (and body), I wonder if the asymmetrical look (especially in the eyes) is a possible sign of Vreeland, himself, having, a dissociative condition.

So, on the one hand, Free, I would agree with you that Vreeland may be a cult dissociative. Yet, on the other hand, I'd question your understanding of the programming.

There's a lot that could be said here but I have to go now

Please say more.

[AhabsOtherLeg]

If you use a photo editing program and mirror either side of his face over you get two perfectly symmetrical faces which look very similar, save for in one regard: one looks gruff and scary, the other looks meek and scared (especially the eyes)

cptmarginal, if you've already done this, would you mind posting the results? I'd appreciate it, because I'm not seeing it from just covering half the face. If you don't have the images saved, no biggie... I can probably figure out how to do it myself.

Also, very few faces are symmetrical, although, according to a study I once read about, we tend to find people with more symmetrical features to be more aesthetically pleasing. People (like actors) who are considered "traditionally handsome/beautiful" have more symmetrical faces.

I'll do it. It'll be on an image page with some puzzling stuff (nothing bad) but it is worth seeing the mirror image thing.

I've got two faces myself. I reckon nearly everryone has. I'm not a cult survivor though, to the best of my knowledge.

[Fat Lady Singing]

I'll do it. It'll be on an image page with some puzzling stuff (nothing bad) but it is worth seeing the mirror image thing.

Why, thanks AhabsOtherLeg! That's terrific of you!

[AhabsOtherLeg]

It's annoying me now. The spirit of H. H. Holmes is preventing me from duplicating his face. If it works out I'll post it, but the sheer unbounded arseholeness of these people seems to extend into their image files!

[justdrew]

It's long been a common practice to look at the two halves separately as a way of gaining insight into a person. I can't remember where I first encountered the idea, but it wasn't in something deep. but it can get deep...

here's some good reading on the matter of Physiognomy...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pathognomy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socionics
Asymmetries in Facial Actions

some altered pics here of left-only/right-only faces:
http://www.rightreading.com/leftface-rightface/leftface-rightface1.htm

there's a lot of research out there on facial asymmetry "chimeric" is one term for it.

oh and this looks interesting...
http://www.jneurosci.org/cgi/content/full/23/9/3820

that last url has a great programming flub on it. It shows the year of the paper as: 19104 !!!! LOL ie five years after 1999 not every day you find a still living y2k bug.

Ahab... here's H.H.H. ...


also, since all studies show that sad/negative emotions are significantly more expressed on the left face, I'd guess this could lead to differential muscle development over time in some cases.

While researching this I discovered that I can arch my left eyebrow easily, but virtually not at all my right eyebrow. weird. thanks Spock.