"Occult Technology of Power" and Intel Agencies

[Hugh Manatee Wins]

Sounder you referred to this thread in another one by calling me insulting and inaccurate names-

http://rigorousintuition.ca/board/viewtopic.php?t=22108&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

And then there was Hugh, Mr. no engagement Hugh. I will skip the repost, but I am willing to assert now, what I have thought for quite awhile, and that is that Hugh himself is a poison pill.

THAT is calling me a disinfo agent which is against board rules and plain old ridiculous. Don't pretend you didn't target me for discrediting this way.

So now "Mr. no engagement Hugh" is out to engage you upside your intellectual head.

Hugh wrote...

And there's nothing "poisonous" about my trying to warn y'all how much Hollywood product is psyops.

I agree that many movies are psyops, I do not watch them much myself and no one would say that to 'warn y'all' is the poison.

Aha. If you "do not watch [movies] much" yourself, you literally don't know the subject I have investigated at great length and found to be mostly psyops. But despite your agreeing that many movies are psyops, later in your post you evoke mystical mumbo-jumbo. So I can't tell how many ways you are trying to have it at once. And I think that's a form of 'poison pill,' self-contradiction.

I think however that by insisting that all 'signals' are agency produced, a causal factor that may exist is denied thereby enabling you to place all these events in the psyops box. To me, it is this limiting of possibilities, that is the poison.

I've found from extensive research that over the decades the number of psyops films out of Hollywood went from 'many' to 'lots' to now 'almost all.'
Facts are facts.
If the White House press podium has only White House psyops spoken there, that is simply the case whether you find this "limiting of possibilities" or not. If you'd analyzed the maybe two hundred movies that I have, you'd have some data on which to expound instead of just hugging a "possibilities" teddy bear and accusing me of taking it away from you.

Not finding and facing basic US government history, psyops science, and related facts is...poison. As in - ignorance and denial is poison.

For instance, the above paper seems to be an intuitive study of the ways of power. For you the poison would be agency produced, for me the poison may be unconscious projections of the authors.

Wrong. I have no idea the paper's source and said so quite clearly and at length.
If you can't read what I wrote, that's another 'poison,' your lack of reading comprehension.

Added; Essentially, everything that we do to each other is a psychological operation of one kind or another. People exhibit varying levels of desperation or charm in trying to impress others of the ‘truth’ of a given assertion. Yet if the motivation of the assertion is examined, often it is found to be an effort to support an unstated assumption.

Sure. That's certainly the case in your post here.
You seem to assume that I couldn't possibly be right about the level of psyops in media yet you can only guess.

The folk on this board, being the skeptics they are, likely approach most interaction this way, let alone when looking at movies.

Sadly, I find that many respond to posted articles at face value. And worse, some resent my taking the article apart from source to themes to keywords to news cycle context.

And if the topic is UFOs, then Jeff will not tolerate much debunking lest this "chase away readers."

I can tell you this from over 6000 posts worth of experience.

But while we look for tricks of others we must realize that we also play tricks on ourselves as we force things into our own preconceived notions.

I find that when people don't know much on a topic, they accuse others with differing views of being "biased" or having "preconceived notions."

This is a variation on the negative sanction label, "conspiracy theorist."
What it usually means is "You seem to know more about something than I do and I have to put up a defense."

Religion does this and so does science, we get the psyops coming and going. Still somewhere there is meaning to be found behind the gloss.

That didn't tell me anything. Moving on.

If ones world view limits causality to the physical then certainly an intelligence agency is a more likely source of causation than is; oh say some syncromystic web, or upwelling of unconscious shadow projections.

Silly me. I "limit causality to the physical" when I see a DVD at the video rental store. Some Hollywood assholes made it, not "some syncromystic web or upwelling of unconscious shadow."

Jeez. What nonsense, Sounder. This is the kind of nebulous piffle spooks love to use up our bandwith with by spinning pseudo-psychological terms with a mystic accent. Are you channeling Deepak Chopra? Quoting 'The Celestine Prophecy?'

Clever psyops cloaks itself in that intellectual dry ice stage fog to use internal narrative coherence as a cover for external psyops coherence.
That's why so much psyops seems to be just 'art.'
Amazing what a script writer can embed in some pathos and giggles.

BUT...

"Don't jive me with that cozmik debris."
-Frank Zappa

How's that for "engagement?"

[Sounder]

HMW wrote...

Aha. If you "do not watch [movies] much" yourself, you literally don't know the subject I have investigated at great length and found to be mostly psyops.

Hugh, I ‘literally’ do not know about a lot of stuff, and yet my life is full and happy. Many people have ‘known their subject’, and were still wrong on both assumptions and conclusions. In this case I think your assumptions and conclusions deserve examination and have merit, but my issue is that all your explanations offered require conformity with a materialistic world view. Any thing that points beyond this reduction is to be derided, because it seems that any causal factor different than ‘agency involvement’ is not considered or allowed in this model. So to my mind, (and yes I know it is quite weak), it is poison to use derision to reduce the possibilities under consideration. You do what you do; I’m simply telling you what my response is to it.

HMW wrote...

Not finding and facing basic US government history, psyops science, and related facts is...poison. As in - ignorance and denial is poison.

Hugh, I like your analysis and have said so several times, now I think you are insecure and will lash out at any ideas that require you to go beyond a materialistic reductionist model.

Silly me. I "limit causality to the physical" when I see a DVD at the video rental store. Some Hollywood assholes made it, not "some syncromystic web or upwelling of unconscious shadow."

Jeez. What nonsense, Sounder. This is the kind of nebulous piffle spooks love to use up our bandwith with by spinning pseudo-psychological terms with a mystic accent. Are you channeling Deepak Chopra? Quoting 'The Celestine Prophecy?'

As I am sure you know, my distaste for these folk is nearly at your level, so I will just call this an attempt to ‘yank my chain’, and let it pass.

HMW wrote...

How's that for "engagement?"

Not bad for the first time in two years that you have actually lowered yourself enough to have anything to say to me. Still you are not real engaging, but thanks for trying.

[Penguin]

Can we just get together and drop some acid so we could get on the same level in the discourse?



(Manatee, Sounder and myself)

And yea, I know all about how CIA used LSD for nefarious purposes.
Why should they have all the fun, bastards?

Also, Id refer to Manlys Maxim in my sig. Goes well with the dessert.

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[Aeolus Kephas]

The OP article strikes me as a not especially skilled attempt to “ape” the style and tone of an elitist mind-set, for reasons that probably don’t go much beyond personal amusement. Unlike “Silent Weapons,” doesn’t seem to illuminate much the mystery of Masonic Sorcery Theater and/or cultural psyops. The terms it employs seem too brazen, clumsy, and literal to suggest intelligence(double)-speak, which is generally euphemistic to the point of obscurity. Would an authentic inside source of social engineering info use such terms as “zombies” or refer to Stanley Kubrick movies? Would it state things in such simple, straight-forward and user-friendly terminology? If so, to what end? So that laypersons at RI could understand it, perhaps?

The debate between Hugh and Sounder has raised some interesting questions. At what point can a manufactured meme (a psyop) be seen as separate from a natural meme, such as pertains to the collective zeitgeist itself? Though I’ve got nothing against the arguments Hugh makes (and I definitely value the research he has done), I don’t think it’s possible finally to separate the one from the other: i.e., psyop movies (and CIA Hollywood) from the greater, “synchromystic” (sorry) operation that is the Universe. It’s Russian dolls: any agenda you care to map always exists inside another, greater agenda, and so is informed and shaped by it.

Unfortunately I don’t know enough either about movies or Hollywood, so I’ll have to take Hugh’s word for it when he says that all mainstream movies (which I’m afraid go under — or over? — my radar) are intelligence-created psyops designed to shape and direct our consciousness. Sure, why wouldn’t they be? Everything else is.

But why single out movies when Western culture itself is one great psyop, from Moses on down? What about Shakespeare? Wasn’t “he” a psyop? A perhaps more interesting question is: how do such psyops work, exactly? Is Hugh suggesting that everyone who works in Hollywood is an operative? Or is it more subtle than that?

My instinct tells me it’s a lot more subtle. If Hollywood is a meme-creating industry, set up, like any organization, with a specific agenda, then anyone who makes it into the inner circles — and is able to make and release mainstream products — has already been subtly “converted” to that agenda, probably most of the time without ever actually realizing it. Perhaps it’s like a computer program which converts files before “opening” them (allowing them access to it)? Anyone making movies in Hollywood has presumably been through a slow, steady infiltration (initiation?) process, in which they have been “reconfigured” (acclimatized) to be compatible with the Hollywood agenda. This would make them “infected” carriers of the “virus,” meaning anything they do, whatever their conscious intentions, is also going to be a carrier for the “virus.” It would be like a factory that produces a seemingly innocuous, “harmless” product — a soft drink, say —that is actually subtly poisoning and/or addicting the populace. The factory workers and advertising staff, 98% of employees for the company, think they are just selling Coca Cola. But really they are involved in something more complex and “sinister.”

I believe this is how conspiracies work—by creating “programs” (memes and organizations, belief systems and social-cultural movements, etc.) with hidden functions that people then unwittingly “install” into their hardware and then become dependent on, slowly (often unknowingly) converting all their “data” (beliefs, opinions, and behavior) to make it compatible with that program. Hence we become servants of the secret agenda (upholders of the meme, sleeper agents of the grand psyop), without ever suspecting an agenda even exists.

That’s the first Russian doll — our culture. But there’s a much bigger, subtler layer of intrigue at work here, which is that even the highest-level meme-creators and psy-operatives are working unconsciously for a vastly greater agenda. They can’t escape the fact that anything they do—any memes or psyops they create—will inevitably be a distorted expression of a cosmic meme, or “zeitgeist.”

There’s no need to posit any God in this, at least if we admit that any system that gives rise to conscious individuals must itself be conscious. Every movement of matter on the planet is being directed—is inseparable from—the movement of matter throughout the Universe (i.e., is just a very local expression of a galactic process). In exactly the same way, all expressions and operations of consciousness within the human realm are reflections and/or extensions of the consciousness of the Universe. Perhaps this sounds mystical, but if so, it’s because I am struggling to find the right scientific terms. This is really all physics, and inescapable logic for anyone who takes the time to think it through. The workings of human groups and individuals—be they Hollywood, CIA, Masonic sorcerers, or whoever—can no more work in isolation from the movements of planets and stars than our cells can function outside of our bodies. Everything is regulated by the intelligence of the system to which it belongs.

In the metaphor I used, if Hollywood (Western culture) is the “program,” then I guess Earth/humanity is the computer, and the Universe is both the manufacturer and programmer. The element of human intervention here is small but significant: as “program designer,” humans determine the ways in which the computer interacts with its maker—thereby testing the possibilities of both. In the end, though, nothing we do can ever depart from the original design, the blueprint which gave rise to the experiment to begin with. We can only operate within these very precisely laid out parameters.

Back to the virus analogy: the creators of the “fake virus” of psyop Hollywood, etc., are unaware of being carriers of the real virus, that of the Spirit, or if you prefer, Nature itself. So even as they design their products to be Trojan Horse-style carriers for their Masonic mind-control memes, the artificial virus they have created is itself (inevitably, since the Universe is everywhere) a carrier for the Spirit-meme—dolls within dolls, horses inside horses. This is why “CIA-Hollywood” comes out with “psyop” movies like Matrix, Fight Club, or Three Kings, movies that, despite whatever secret toxins they may contain to pollute and stupefy the mass mind, are also designed to activate creative centers in the psyches of at least a few individuals. Face it, we are all not just double but triple agents: working not only for our personal ego gratification and our secret handlers (those dastardly Masonic sorcerers), but finally, gloriously, for the Universe herself.

The real occult technology of power is accessible to everyone. It depends first of all on recognizing our own signatures dimly engraved upon the secret architecture of reality. As Nietzsche said, “We are all greater artists than we know.” That goes double for sorcery.

[Hugh Manatee Wins]

Lots of thoughtful stuff there, Aeolus Kephas.

I agree with your comments about the op article. It seems like a civilian attempt to update the concepts from the 'Protocols' hoax by instead basing them on Carroll Quigley's book about the Council on Foreign Relations and some spycraft derived from post-Vietnam revelations about CIA.

Your comments on Hollywood memetics toggled between "yes" and "um, no" for me. And then went straight into the clouds. Quite eloquently.

I liked your analogy of CIA-Hollywood making a soda that's really poison while most factory workers don't realize this.
And people becoming "reconfigured" to be made compatible with The Agenda. Socialization happens and incompatibles get screened out, like in any other environment.

But there are a few whistleblowers who've described both how the CIA infiltrates an organization and how they trick/force/invite people into becoming insiders within an already CIA-infiltrated organization. There's a combination of seduction, comraderie, and coercion involved.

And The Club in Hollywood is many decades old and self-regenerating, just like Skull and Bones. People get tapped.
Sometimes by Anthony Pelicano. Ahem.
http://www.postchronicle.com/cgi-bin/artman/exec/view.cgi?archive=69&num=147971


During WWII spooks planning propaganda studied the national social engine to see how to make it run best in 'war gear' and began to design the memetic landscape for that purpose. Just the right role models, stereotypes, values, beliefs, etc.

So for almost seventy years the USG agenda has been influencing the meme landscape more and more, even becoming self-referential in a feedback-loop which further reinforces the 'audience's' perception that all is 'normal,' not deliberately manufactured as Strategic Culture.
(That's a term that came about in the 1970s, right after the draft was ended. Hmm.)

So sure, most of Hollywood doesn't know anything about psyops at all, just like in the rest of the nation and world.

But ABSOLUTELY some USG insiders deliberately craft elaborate psyops which could not be done just intuitively anymore than a building could just 'happen' due to cultural atmosphere.

I marvel at the architecture of some Hollywood psyops.
Very clever and tricky. But always following psyops science which has a fingerprint which always gives it away if you know the master keys.

Yes, psyops movies are designed to be multi-layered so that variations in audience cognition are accounted for. The face value works for the kids while the thematic works for the adults.

Due to the internet in the 1990s, the subliminal psyops themes got an additional layer of cover theme added for the 'conspiracy culture'-types to find easily. This is because the subliminal function must be preserved to remain effective. As the audience gets more media savvy, the product does, too.

Here are declassified letters from a 1953 CIA mole at Paramount Pictures to his boss at the CIA telling how much he, one man (of probably many), can influence everything from casting to scripts to even awards-
http://www.rigorousintuition.ca/board/viewtopic.php?t=12707

So we can logically deduce the demarcation between the witting and unwitting without resorting to vague mysticism. (Are you reading this, Sounder?)

The short description of how psyops culture works in Hollywood is that it closely resembles the rest of military-intelligence culture - a few KNOW AND PLAN and the rest just do their job having only been told enough to get them to produce, no more.

That's how the US military ended up in Iraq, for instance. No 'syncromysticism,' just covert strategic planning, covert propaganda preparation, and everyone else just following (bad, illegal) orders and doing their jobs.

Here's how this pyramid of culpability, something every institution has, would play out in Hollywood:

1) A few complicit insiders know what the government/corporate agenda is in coordination with State Department/CIA/Pentagon/FBI and have the power to approve/instigate projects. Studio honchos. The Jack Valenti set. People who met with Karl Rove after 9/11, I expect.

2) A few insiders craft the psyops themes and keywords into a psyops story serving the agenda of promoting social cohesion around Male Warrior Authority while at the same time sowing scandal-jamming counterpropaganda.
Spielberg is one of these. So is Lucas. And Disney, which is a USG flagship psyops operation specializing in conditioning children for Strategic Culture.


3) A few insiders make the psyops story into a neuroscientifically-maximized screenplay ensuring the subliminal cues are embedded in seemingly natural and appropriate contexts.

There are probably a whole stable of scriptwriters working for the government and other people keeping an eye out for useful submissions and others researching pre-fab literature to exploit.

Any one of these functionaries probably get input from unnamed 'experts' to help them, too, whether this comes as ‘friendly suggestions’ at lunch later socially reinforced by someone else or Overt orders from A Boss. Point being, there are lots of ways to influence a script in the gestation period before theater release.

The easiest way is to just be an entirely CIA production company.
Like the Johnson Group which works for the White House and Pentagon-
http://rigorousintuition.ca/board/viewtopic.php?t=6797


4) A few insiders are directors who oversee the psyops integrity of filming the actors and framing the shots to include parafoveal priming elements, for instance. Lots of ingredients to make sure get into the pie.

5) A few insiders are editors who make sure the internal coherence of the narrative flows as entertainment to provide cover for the external coherence out in the political world, the PSYOPS.

6) A few insiders design the pictogram advertising images and schedule the release to maximize the effect in the news cycle or whatever event the movie is timed around. Scheduling the DVD release provides a second timing strategy, like how 'Traitor' was timed to go in theaters during Obama's Democratic Convention nomination and then released on DVD when Obama was on the cover of Time as Man of the Year. Clever, ay?


7) I'd expect that spooks keep an eye out at USC film school and festivals for their next ego-driven quasi-patriotic wonder boys ready to get rich as USG shill insiders, the next Spielberg. Spooks have analyzed why people become assets and they boil down to four primary reasons remembered with the acronym, "MICE." Money, Ideology, Coercion, Ego.
Sounds like you could catch some talent for CIA-Hollywood with those.

Nearly everyone else has no idea the product really is psyops and just does their compartmentalized job quite glad to be working and winning awards etc.

Hope this obviates any need to mix in mysticism to human endeavors.

Have a look at this Memetic Lexicon to see the basics of transmitting culture which is no more mystical than...advertising-
http://rigorousintuition.ca/board/viewtopic.php?t=21947

[Sounder]

Quote:

Added; Essentially, everything that we do to each other is a psychological operation of one kind or another. People exhibit varying levels of desperation or charm in trying to impress others of the ‘truth’ of a given assertion. Yet if the motivation of the assertion is examined, often it is found to be an effort to support an unstated assumption.

Sure. That's certainly the case in your post here.

Indeed, that last line is stupid and no more than a tautology. My own basic assumption is that the physical and spiritual is the same thing. Because our dominant cultural coding says that these things are fundamentally different, we have created a gap, which asks for hero’s to produce transitional objects that are (in the end) vain efforts to cover-up the basic fault.

While movies no doubt have a certain agency ‘design’ element within them, the more relevant exposure of the ‘psyops’ happens with an examination of, for instance, The Consul of Nicaea or Descartes in preference to ….. whatever meme movie is being pimped at the moment.

So while Hugh thinks that the bandwidth eating monster is mystical woo, I think the monster is true but trivial and distracting facts. The context drives the content, so examination of the psychical conditioning system itself has more potential than does relentless assertions of certain content. Because this psychical conditioning system or (MOP) motor of personality provides us with our self-identity, most folk do everything they can to not examine these issues. Gossip is so much easier. But hey, I can be a sport about it; after all someday the bandwidth eating monster called dualism will be full up and will eat no more.

Till that day I’m gonna hang around as long as you will let me

I never minded standing in the rain

And you don’t have to call me darling- darling

But you never even call me by my name


HMW wrote....

You seem to assume that I couldn't possibly be right about the level of psyops in media yet you can only guess.

See above

Aeolus Kephas wrote…

The OP article strikes me as a not especially skilled attempt to “ape” the style and tone of an elitist mind-set, for reasons that probably don’t go much beyond personal amusement.

Yep. I think we all agree that this paper is a product of independent intelligence rather than agency intelligence.

Aeolus wrote....

But why single out movies when Western culture itself is one great psyop, from Moses on down? What about Shakespeare? Wasn’t “he” a psyop? A perhaps more interesting question is: how do such psyops work, exactly? Is Hugh suggesting that everyone who works in Hollywood is an operative? Or is it more subtle than that?

My instinct tells me it’s a lot more subtle. If Hollywood is a meme-creating industry, set up, like any organization, with a specific agenda, then anyone who makes it into the inner circles — and is able to make and release mainstream products — has already been subtly “converted” to that agenda, probably most of the time without ever actually realizing it.

I believe this is how conspiracies work—by creating “programs” (memes and organizations, belief systems and social-cultural movements, etc.) with hidden functions that people then unwittingly “install” into their hardware and then become dependent on, slowly (often unknowingly) converting all their “data” (beliefs, opinions, and behavior) to make it compatible with that program. Hence we become servants of the secret agenda (upholders of the meme, sleeper agents of the grand psyop), without ever suspecting an agenda even exists.

This is the kind of stuff I like to direct my attention to. In time perhaps, I’m all full up on the previous bandwidth eating exercise. Thanks Aeolus for all your recent inputs.

[Joe Hillshoist]

Culture is a psy op.

Ideas that domnate it dominate the discourse, and define the belief systems of its members.

Its the humidity (not the douche).

To put the worst aspects of our culture down to an intelligence agency plot is flat out wrong.

However there is nothing wrong with the idea intelligence agencies do engage in the manipulation hugh talks about. Some of his examples are a bit way out but some aren't. In some ways tho are the intel agencies necessary.

For example Disney - does it need spook involvement? Its a company founded by a Nazi with a culture of control and conservative capitalist greed. I can't see how it could produce a movie that wasn't choc full of dodgy memes and images.

Another example - that Obama poster ... Obama is not a traitor to the ruling classes - he hasn't been sworn in yet but I doubt he'll be that different.

So I fail to see how that poster has the effect Hugh is claiming it has - in terms of intel agencies at least - by the time Iraq is free of US troops there would have been little practical difference in who was elected last November, ie McCain and Obama would probably have had troops home about the same time. The Warnie factor would have been very different, but the effects the same.

Its just as likely that the people who designed that poster, and authorised its use as publicity were staunch republicans playing partisan politics as they were serving some alphabet agency agenda.

Thats where your theory has major flaws Hugh.

In the way it assumes that all the players have the same agenda.

[Aeolus Kephas]

Thanks Hugh, for that concise breakdown of the machinery of meme-making as you see it. I’m not sure if it’s necessary, or fruitful, to argue further my case for the “galactic agenda” overseeing and underlying all this, since it clearly won’t change the manner in which you present your evidence, nor need it. Systems that belong to other greater systems still appear to operate as independent systems, and can be understood as such. It’s not strictly necessary to know about the whole biosystem to diagnoses a heart problem. Still, curious to know your take on (or awareness of) chaos physics, fractals, and strange attractors (to say nothing of Sheldrake’s morphogenetic fields), all of which suggest (and pretty strongly) that nothing in the Universe is random. But that’s another topic, so let me keep to what you have posted above.

It all sounds credible enough to me, and the fact that US movies are now available through DVD pirating and downloading in just about every corner of the globe, and at every level of the social structure, makes it altogether unlikely that they wouldn’t be employed as carriers for carefully designed mind viruses. So the question that interests me as much as, or more than, how the psyops are managed, is to what specific ends?

You have mentioned the culture of the lone male warrior—presumably as a means to foster the myth of manifest destiny and governmental right as might—but what else? What about a movie like 2012, for example (one that my radar picked up, as it’s based on the book by Whitley Strieber), due out next year? The steadily growing meme of alien invasion and of soul-body replacement, initiated in the 50s (soon after flying saucer sightings began)—what exactly is this psyops priming us for, in your opinion?

Hope this obviates any need to mix in mysticism to human endeavors.

Here I have to challenge you, not because I think a mystical view is needed to understand the subject (mysticism serves to mystify), but because there surely can be no doubt that the people behind psyops employ a heavy dose of mysticism—and of mystical methods of mind control—in casting the spell they do. I suspect you confuse sorcery with mysticism: the latter entails belief in invisibles, the former merely describes a method of handling (or manipulating) perception and awareness. In a sense, Hollywood can only be understood in terms of sorcery, i.e., as using image and sound (light and vibration) to alter the consciousness of the perceiver.

A deeper analysis of entertainment culture requires an awareness of occult symbols—employed as “triggers” by which to fire new memes, let’s say—that speak directly to the unconscious of the audience. I’d suggest that the psyops you describe as primarily military/governmental agendas are much more than this, and are so insidious and effective precisely because they are developments of an ancient system of consciousness programming that goes back to ancient Egypt, at the very least.

That’s where your theory has major flaws Hugh.
In the way it assumes that all the players have the same agenda.

What Hugh and myself, and even Joe, are describing means that they do have the same agenda, even if they don’t know it—because they are all infected by the same mind virus.

Culture is a psyops.
Ideas that dominate it dominate the discourse, and define the belief systems of its members.
Its the humidity (not the douche).

It’s a chicken or egg question finally: does culture create memes or do memes create culture. Clearly it’s both. When a culture has been created and shaped as a beneficial environment for precise modes of belief and behavior, it will basically give rise only to more of the same, like a chicken that can only birth more chickens. It’s all down to the initial blueprint. Socio-politically, any conspiracy that is directed by the conscious intentions of human groups can only ever be limited, and is bound to encounter conflict and disorder due to lack of unification. But sorcerously, without positing old seers or Reptilian beings (I will spare Hugh the off-world element), what is occurring is far subtler and hence more far-reaching, because it pertains not so much to consciously designed agendas (though these exist too), but to the unconscious, “dreaming mind” of the collective—humanity’s shadow, where sorcery rules.

So we can logically deduce the demarcation between the witting and unwitting without resorting to vague mysticism.

This is frankly impossible, Hugh. Can you “logically deduce the demarcation between the witting and unwitting” in your own actions? I know I can’t.
Our conscious minds work only at a surface level: underneath, pulling all the strings, are our unconscious programs, the million year old man lurking inside our DNA. Is this “vague mysticism”? I get a sneaking feeling you will say it is—if so, I suggest you brush up on your biology and physics. There is more than just nuts and bolts (or psyops) to the way the world works, and we are WAY more than the sum of our conscious thoughts and actions.

Hugh: I think you are limiting your own theses by disallowing any subtler readings of the evidence. For example, I find your idea of the Traitor poster being a subtle “tell” for the unconscious minds of the US populace to be in line with what I describe as the Masonic Sorcery Theater. There is plenty of suggestive smoke that surrounds Obama and his election. The name’s similarity to Osama (Bin Laden), his supposed Moslem roots, his being sold as a black Messiah: all suggest a great betrayal in the works, not of the ruling elite but of the gullible masses who eagerly bought into the slickly packaged product of “Change we can believe in.” (Right!) This all connects to what Shelby Downard calls the Revelation of the Method—the shaping and directing of the dreaming mind of humanity by a secret elite who gradually reveal their own hidden agendas to the populace, in order to bring these plans further and further into the realm of overt enactment. (GWB’s rigged election was an obvious recent example.)

Thanks Aeolus for all your recent inputs.

You’re welcome. I guess it’s compulsive. All for now.

[Uncle $cam]

erudite and excellent discussions folks...

However, all this meme talk is making me hungry. So let's crank the oven to 450* and do some meme baking...

Presenter: Susan Blackmore, author of The Meme Machine.

Susan Blackmore studies memes: ideas that replicate themselves from brain to brain like a virus. She makes a bold new argument: Humanity has spawned a new kind of meme, the teme, which spreads itself via technology -- and invents ways to keep itself alive

Meme's and Teme's (TED Video)
http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/susa ... temes.html

History of life is a history of replicators.

Language is a parasite we've adapted to. It may have started out being harmful, but we've developed a symbiotic relationship with it.

First replicators were genes. Then memes. We now have temes (tech memes) are a third repliciator on our planet.

Don't think of intelligence, thinnk of replicators.

New Drake equation. Start with number of planets -- what fraction of those get a first replicator, a 2nd replicator, a 3rd?

Getting a new replicator is dangerous. We need to pull through each time. The 2nd replicator (memes) was dangerous -= big brains are painful: kills a lot of mothers and babies. Brains uses 20% of body energy for 2% of body weight; it may have nearly killed us off.

temes are just information -- they use humans to suck up planet's resources. Don't think we created the internet to benefit us; we are being being used by temes. It convenient for temes to piggyback on us because we replicate. But when temes can replicate without us, they will carry on without us.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Susan_Blackmore

Culture is a psy op. , perhaps, but there are good meme's and detrimental meme's, live memes and undead meme's....

Smells good, are we salivating yet?

[Joe Hillshoist]

Temes eh.

Its a wild concept, cos there are several that I can think of that are very powerful, a self aware internet being one.

I dunno about humans being the only propagators of memes or temes tho, just the most efficient. Animals communicate and use technology, just not as well as us.

Our brain and hands work well together in that sense.

Also ... prions are replicators too, how do they fit?

[brainpanhandler]

I suspect you confuse sorcery with mysticism: the latter entails belief in invisibles, the former merely describes a method of handling (or manipulating) perception and awareness. In a sense, Hollywood can only be understood in terms of sorcery, i.e., as using image and sound (light and vibration) to alter the consciousness of the perceiver.

The Sorcerer’s Apprentice

[brainpanhandler]

This all connects to what Shelby Downard calls the Revelation of the Method—the shaping and directing of the dreaming mind of humanity by a secret elite who gradually reveal their own hidden agendas to the populace, in order to bring these plans further and further into the realm of overt enactment.

The Howard Beale Show

[brainpanhandler]

TV Turn Off Week

[brainpanhandler]

M I C K E Y M O U S E

[Aeolus Kephas]

here's how it's done (more rev of method from our handlers)

Derren Brown does NLP on Simon Pegg

Mind Control with Derren Brown