Leaked video of carnage in Gaza

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Leaked video of carnage in Gaza

Postby sunny » Sun Jan 04, 2009 5:15 pm

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Postby AlicetheKurious » Sun Jan 04, 2009 6:33 pm

It's too sickening for words. I saw this video earlier, but decided not to post it because of its graphic nature. But you are right, sunny. People should see what they're paying for.

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Postby Jeff » Sun Jan 04, 2009 6:59 pm

AlicetheKurious wrote:Maybe, someday, America can still be saved and brought into a civilised relationship with the rest of the world, but the malignant zionist state cannot.


I don't think it's a diminution of the crimes of the Israeli state to say that in terms of history, reach, and body count, the US plays in a league of its own.
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Postby jingofever » Sun Jan 04, 2009 7:44 pm

Via reddit via Glenn Greenwald:

THIS VIDEO IS MISLEADING

The video was not taken on January 1st 2009. It was not taken in a civilian market, and it was not the result of an IDF air strike.

This video is from September 23rd 2005, and was taken in the Jabalya refugee camp in the northern Gaza Strip. A Hamas pick-up truck carrying Qassam rockets detonated by mistake during a Hamas rally, leaving at least 15 killed and dozens more injured.

The pick-up truck in question is visible for a split-second at the start of the video. The section of the video showing the pick-up exploding has been edited out. The large number of Hamas personnel present, the number of injured in military uniform, the large number of civilians and Hamas flags all over the place confirm this.

Compare the video from 4:08-4:24 with this photograph taken after the blast at the rally. In the background of the video the man shown in the white top in this photo is clearly visible tending to one of the casualties. Another person is shown coming over to him and placing the distinctive purple/green striped blanket over the body laying next to him, and the wooden pole he is knelt next to is visible.

The man in the white top is visible once again in this photograph (from this CBS News article) along with the man in a yellow shirt with serious leg injuries visible at around 3:55 in the video

A side-by-side comparison of a frame from the video at ~4:08 and the aforementioned photo from the CBS News article is here.
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Postby Et in Arcadia ego » Sun Jan 04, 2009 8:05 pm

A feint within a feint.
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Postby sunny » Sun Jan 04, 2009 8:18 pm

My bad, mea culpa.

Yet. Do we imagine the scene in Gaza right now is better than what we see in this video?
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Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Sun Jan 04, 2009 8:25 pm

jingofever wrote:Via reddit via Glenn Greenwald:

THIS VIDEO IS MISLEADING

The video was not taken on January 1st 2009. It was not taken in a civilian market, and it was not the result of an IDF air strike.

This video is from September 23rd 2005, and was taken in the Jabalya refugee camp in the northern Gaza Strip. A Hamas pick-up truck carrying Qassam rockets detonated by mistake during a Hamas rally, leaving at least 15 killed and dozens more injured.
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A side-by-side comparison of a frame from the video at ~4:08 and the aforementioned photo from the CBS News article is here.


That 2005 CBS (CIA) News article is questionable itself.
Says no, the Israeli helicopter didn't do it, just a pick-up truck blew up.

Yet...
The truck was not heavily damaged by the blast.


So whether the op video is 2009 or not, I wouldn't trust CIA media.
The carnage is probably still caused by an Israeli attack.
CIA runs mainstream media since WWII:
news rooms, movies/TV, publishing
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Disney is CIA for kidz!
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Postby ninakat » Sun Jan 04, 2009 9:13 pm

sunny wrote:My bad, mea culpa.

Yet. Do we imagine the scene in Gaza right now is better than what we see in this video?


I expect it's worse, especially if the following story is true.

Israel rains fire on Gaza with phosphorus shells

Israel is believed to be using controversial white phosphorus shells to screen its assault on the heavily populated Gaza Strip yesterday. The weapon, used by British and US forces in Iraq, can cause horrific burns but is not illegal if used as a smokescreen.

As the Israeli army stormed to the edges of Gaza City and the Palestinian death toll topped 500, the tell-tale shells could be seen spreading tentacles of thick white smoke to cover the troops’ advance. “These explosions are fantastic looking, and produce a great deal of smoke that blinds the enemy so that our forces can move in,” said one Israeli security expert. Burning blobs of phosphorus would cause severe injuries to anyone caught beneath them and force would-be snipers or operators of remote-controlled booby traps to take cover. Israel admitted using white phosphorus during its 2006 war with Lebanon.

The use of the weapon in the Gaza Strip, one of the world’s mostly densely population areas, is likely to ignite yet more controversy over Israel’s offensive, in which more than 2,300 Palestinians have been wounded.

The Geneva Treaty of 1980 stipulates that white phosphorus should not be used as a weapon of war in civilian areas, but there is no blanket ban under international law on its use as a smokescreen or for illumination. However, Charles Heyman, a military expert and former major in the British Army, said: “If white phosphorus was deliberately fired at a crowd of people someone would end up in The Hague. White phosphorus is also a terror weapon. The descending blobs of phosphorus will burn when in contact with skin.”

The Israeli military last night denied using phosphorus, but refused to say what had been deployed. “Israel uses munitions that are allowed for under international law,” said Captain Ishai David, spokesman for the Israel Defence Forces. “We are pressing ahead with the second stage of operations, entering troops in the Gaza Strip to seize areas from which rockets are being launched into Israel.”

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White phosphorus: the smoke-screen chemical that can burn to the bone

— White phosphorus bursts into a deep-yellow flame when it is exposed to oxygen, producing a thick white smoke

— It is used as a smokescreen or for incendiary devices, but can also be deployed as an anti-personnel flame compound capable of causing potentially fatal burns

— Phosphorus burns are almost always second or third-degree because the particles do not stop burning on contact with skin until they have entirely disappeared — it is not unknown for them to reach the bone

— Geneva conventions ban the use of phosphorus as an offensive weapon against civilians, but its use as a smokescreen is not prohibited by international law

— Israel previously used white phosphorus during its war with Lebanon in 2006

— It has been used frequently by British and US forces in recent wars, notably during the invasion of Iraq in 2003. Its use was criticised widely

— White phosphorus has the slang name “Willy Pete”, which dates from the First World War. It was commonly used in the Vietnam era
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Postby erosoplier » Sun Jan 04, 2009 9:16 pm

You can see the psy-ops happening live on this thread.
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Postby Joe Hillshoist » Sun Jan 04, 2009 9:49 pm

White phosphorus has the slang name “Willy Pete”, which dates from the First World War. It was commonly used in the Vietnam era


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Postby xsicbastardx » Sun Jan 04, 2009 10:03 pm

et in Arcadia ego wrote:A feint within a feint.



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We are such an infantile race and the fact that the Israeli Government is allowed to do things it does just proves it.
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Postby Et in Arcadia ego » Sun Jan 04, 2009 10:05 pm

I'll tell you guys what I saw when I walked in the door to work this morning. I had a guy waiting for me who was PCS'ing(transferring to a new base), and had to get some tattoo work touched up before he left next week. I had just put on the TV and on CNN they were showing footage over Gaza. A bomb exploded at a height well above several buildings and a fierce cascade of downward bursts showered the area beneath it in a wide circle.

I looked at my client, who does Counter Intelligence work and asked what the hell it was I just saw, and he said it looked like it was a Flechette bomb. Knowing what one of these things was, I asked how the Israelis expected to limit casualties to 'militants' only and he just looked at me and slowly shook his head.

CNN broadcast technicolor evidence of Israel using indiscriminate mass-kill weapons in broad daylight over a civilian population and no one says a god damned thing about it.

CNN didn't seem to notice what they were showing millions of people.

History repeats itself over and over again without consequence:

The use of artillery flechette rounds in populated areas has recently been criticized largely as a result of the publicity generated by their use by the Israel Defense Forces in the Gaza Strip.[2] These criticisms focus on the wide area of effect of artillery flechette rounds, and their use in areas with large civilian populations. Detractors argue that the use of such rounds conflicts with the Fourth Geneva Convention provisions protecting non-combatants.[3][4]
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Postby Nordic » Mon Jan 05, 2009 1:35 am

Flechette.

Flesh-eat.

Or like "Machete", only with flesh.

A flesh-slicer.

Nice.

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