Bush's 'War' On Terror Comes to a Sudden End (Dana Priest)

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Bush's 'War' On Terror Comes to a Sudden End (Dana Priest)

Postby nomo » Fri Jan 23, 2009 12:49 pm

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 29_pf.html

Bush's 'War' On Terror Comes to a Sudden End

By Dana Priest
Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, January 23, 2009; A01

President Obama yesterday eliminated the most controversial tools employed by his predecessor against terrorism suspects. With the stroke of his pen, he effectively declared an end to the "war on terror," as President George W. Bush had defined it, signaling to the world that the reach of the U.S. government in battling its enemies will not be limitless.

While Obama says he has no plans to diminish counterterrorism operations abroad, the notion that a president can circumvent long-standing U.S. laws simply by declaring war was halted by executive order in the Oval Office.

Key components of the secret structure developed under Bush are being swept away: The military's Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, facility, where the rights of habeas corpus and due process had been denied detainees, will close, and the CIA is now prohibited from maintaining its own overseas prisons. And in a broad swipe at the Bush administration's lawyers, Obama nullified every legal order and opinion on interrogations issued by any lawyer in the executive branch after Sept. 11, 2001.

It was a swift and sudden end to an era that was slowly drawing to a close anyway, as public sentiment grew against perceived abuses of government power. The feisty debate over the tactics employed against al-Qaeda began more than six years ago as whispers among confidants with access to the nation's most tightly held secrets. At the time, there was consensus in Congress and among the public that the United States would be attacked again and that government should do what was necessary to thwart the threat.

The CIA, which had taken the lead on counterterrorism operations worldwide, asked intelligence contacts around the globe to help its teams of covert operatives and clandestine military units identify, kill or capture terrorism suspects. They set up their first interrogation center in a compound walled off by black canvas at Bagram air base in Afghanistan, and more at tiny bases throughout that country, where detainees could be questioned outside military rules and the protocols of the Geneva Conventions, which lay out the standards for treatment of prisoners of war.

As the CIA recruited young case officers, polygraphers and medical personnel to work on interrogation teams, the agency's leaders asked its allies in Thailand and Eastern Europe to set up secret prisons where people such as Khalid Sheik Mohammed and Ramzi Binalshibh could be held in isolation and subjected to extreme sleep and sensory deprivation, waterboarding and sexual humiliation. These tactics are not permitted under military rules or the Geneva Conventions.

Over time, a tiny circle of federal employees outside these teams got access to some of the reports of interrogations. Some were pleased by the new aggressiveness. Others were horrified. They began to push back gingerly, as did an even smaller number of congressional officials briefed on the reports.

Eventually their worries reached a handful of reporters trying to confirm rumors of people who seemed to have disappeared: a Pakistani microbiologist spirited away in the dead of night in Indonesia. An Afghan prisoner frozen to death at a base code-named the Salt Pit. A German citizen who did not get back on his bus at a border crossing in Macedonia.

Front companies and fictitious people were used to hide a system of aircraft that carried terrorism suspects to "undisclosed locations" and to third countries under a little-known practice called rendition.

Unlike the federal employees, who could go to jail for disclosing the classified program, the reporters and their news outlets were protected by the Constitution -- but not from government pressure. Then-CIA Director Porter J. Goss and, later, Bush summoned top editors of The Washington Post to press their case against disclosing the existence of the secret prison network.

The published reports in The Post and elsewhere earned the news media sharp recriminations from the administration, the Republican leadership in Congress and the public. Government leak investigations were launched. Bush administration officials argued that such methods and operations were necessary to effectively thwart terrorism, noting to this day that there have been no major attacks since 2001.

If there were dissenters back then, they were largely silent.

But in Europe, the reports set off a firestorm of criticism and government investigations in nearly every capital. Washington was pressured to move prisoners out of the secret jails. U.S. government officials scattered throughout the national security and foreign policy agencies scrambled to learn more about operations they knew little about. A growing chorus within the CIA and the State Department began to question how long the secret system of detention and interrogation could survive, and drew up plans for an alternative.

By then, the color-coded terrorist alerts had ended. Police disappeared from roadblocks around the Capitol. Washington the fortress drew millions of visitors again. Some Democratic members of Congress replaced the "war on terror" phraseology with language indicating vigilance and persistence, but not unending combat and military-only options.

On Sept. 6, 2006, Bush announced the transfer of 14 "high-value detainees" from secret prisons to Guantanamo. He suspended the CIA program, but defended its utility and reserved the right to reopen it. The secret was officially out.

Over the next 2 1/2 years, as Democrats gained power in Congress, as the violence in Iraq sapped public support for the president and as the fear of another terrorist attack receded, the debate over secret prisons, renditions and harsh interrogations grew louder. Presidential candidates felt comfortable to include these sensitive subjects in the debate on the efficiency of Bush's war against terrorists, and even on the notion that it was still a war.

During his campaign and again in his inaugural address Tuesday, Obama used a different lexicon to describe operations to defeat terrorists. "As for our common defense, we reject as false the choice between our safety and our ideals," he said. ". . . And for those who seek to advance their aims by inducing terror and slaughtering innocents, we say to you now that our spirit is stronger and cannot be broken; you cannot outlast us, and we will defeat you."
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Postby freemason9 » Fri Jan 23, 2009 1:02 pm

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Postby nomo » Fri Jan 23, 2009 1:14 pm

But, people, come on, don't you get it? The War on Terror is over!! Yay Obama!
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Postby MacCruiskeen » Fri Jan 23, 2009 1:22 pm

One very striking thing: Obama's inaugural address did not contain one single solitary reference to:

1. The War on Terror

2. Osama bin Laden

3. Al Qaeda

or

4. 9/11.

Not a word about any of it. Yet these have been the great, incessant themes of the last eight years, not just in the US but all over Europe too.

So Obama's speech amounts to a barely-coded admission, surely: Osama bin Laden is either dead or entirely insignificant (i.e. unworthy of mention/nothing to worry about) and "Al Qaeda" is either non-existent or entirely insignificant (i.e. unworthy of mention/nothing to worry about). Obama's speech could hardly have made it any clearer that the Bush gang has been bullshitting the world for the last eight years. The War on Terror is, and always was, a whopping lie.

It's official.

So is it too much to hope we might now finally see a serious investigation of 9/11? Just asking the question may well be derided as incautiously optimistic here, but answer me this! If "KSM" and "Ramzi Binalshibh" can no longer be "tried" in secret (and they can't), then they are eventually going to have to be tried in public, are they not? Either that or released. And either of those two options will surely lead to some interesting developments.
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Postby professorpan » Fri Jan 23, 2009 1:40 pm

No, no, Mac, Obama is bad, bad, bad. Please stop suggesting that anything good can come from his presidency. It can't, and it won't, and I'll see you in the gruel line in the dissident camps this summer where we can apologize to those who saw the looming fascist dictatorship while we were blinded by irrational hope and silly hero worship.
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Postby JackRiddler » Fri Jan 23, 2009 1:56 pm

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Yes, it's all true:
- It might stop here and thus leave a great deal of the repressive apparatus in place, especially the surveillance system as built up under the Bush regime in particular. This is still the man who voted for last year's FISA bill.
- Status quo of 2000 ain't peaches and cream, au contraire, in effect there was a multi-decade prelude to the Bush regime.
- Old crimes continue in Iraq, Afghanistan and in aid to Israel, Colombia and the Venezuelan "opposition."
- New crimes are hotly desired by the humanitarian imperialists and by the same old class warriors at the economic reins.
- No sign yet of full disclosure, let alone justice to be served with either, the perpetrators of state and cryptocracy, or the victims.
- Loopholes may be exploited, or it all may be rolled back in a minute after the next stage-managed major psyop.

But today, one day, with so much to be done:

HOW CAN YOU NOT CHEER?

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Postby StarmanSkye » Fri Jan 23, 2009 2:44 pm

Damn right, Jack; I can still recognize and cheer the small but significant, important gesture Obama made here as a vital step toward resolving deep, systemic and institutionalized injustices, outrages, and abuses, not losing sight of the perilous situation we're still in with the polycentric oligarchy calling the shots and our MIC/fraud economy severely constraining possibilities for crucially needed reforms restoring the principles of Peace and Justice.

I won't let my guard down for a second; Raising a toast might be WAAAY premature esp. since the danger signs of our reckless, arrogant foreign policy are still apparant, and uncertainty over how the manufactured economic crisis will play out over the next year(s).
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Postby JackRiddler » Fri Jan 23, 2009 6:19 pm

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Oh well.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/
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2009-01-23_first_strike_17_dead_as_obama_aims_missi.html

CNN wire on NY Daily News says:

First strike: 17 dead as Obama aims missiles at Pakistan-Afghanistan border, Taliban enclaves

CNN Wire

Updated Friday, January 23rd 2009, 2:06 PM

Moore/Getty/Getty Images

Pakistan's North Waziristan tribal area as seen from the air in Feb. 2007. President Barack Obama waged the first military action of his tenure Friday with missile strikes in the region.

Clary/Getty

Obama at his inauguration. Former Pakistani president Pervez Musharraf said of the airstrikes, 'Policies don't change with personalities.'

ISLAMABAD, Pakistan - The Pakistan military's top spokesman said attacks against suspected terrorists by pilotless U.S. drones - such as two alleged to have occurred Friday - are ''counterproductive'' because they undercut his country's efforts to oust militants from Pakistan's tribal region.

Seventeen people were killed Friday in the two missile strikes in the ungoverned tribal areas. One government official and two military officials said they were U.S. attacks. They are the first such strikes since President Barack Obama took office on Tuesday.

''It helps us in no way conducting our operations,'' Maj. Gen. Athar Abbas told CNN's Reza Sayah. ''We are trying to create to wean away the tribe at large from the militant component of the tribe. But it diminishes the line which divides the militant component and the tribe at large.''

''We face much more difficulty as a result of drone strikes, and we have conveyed our position on that'' to the United States, Abbas said.

Both hits were near the Afghan border, said local political official Nasim Dawar. The Pakistani military sources asked not to be named because they are not authorized to release such information.

The first strike, which killed 10 people, occurred about 5:15 p.m. (7:15 a.m. ET) in a village near Mir Ali in North Waziristan, the officials said. Seven people died in the second hit at 7:30 p.m. (9:30 a.m. ET) near Wana, the major town in South Waziristan, 17 miles (27 km) from Afghanistan, they said.

There was no immediate response from U.S. officials.

Former Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf, interviewed on CNN's ''The Situation Room,'' repeated that public opinion in his country is strongly against the strikes on Pakistan territory.

Musharraf was asked whether he is comfortable with the fact that the attacks are continuing, even with a new U.S. president in place.

''As far as this issue of the new president, President Obama, having taken over and this continuing ... I've always been saying that policies don't change with personalities.

''Policies have national interests and policies depend on an environment.''

The former leader added that he believes the environment and national interests of the United States'' are the same.

North Waziristan and South Waziristan are among seven districts in Pakistan's ungoverned tribal region, where the Taliban and other militants have sought haven.

The region has seen a sharp spike in the number of aerial attacks carried out by unmanned drones on suspected Taliban targets. The United States has the only military with drones operating in the area.

In 2008, there were 30 suspected U.S. missile strikes in Pakistan, based on a count by CNN in Islamabad.

The first U.S. strike on the tribal areas in 2009 came on New Year's Day. Two top al Qaeda terrorists were killed by a U.S. missile strike against a building in northern Pakistan, according to two senior U.S. officials.

The men, both Kenyans, were on the FBI's Most Wanted Terrorist list, one of the officials said, and were believed to have been responsible for the September suicide bombing at the Marriott Hotel in Islamabad.


ON EDIT: "Oh well" should not be understood as putting my disappointment above the lives of these 20-plus people incinerated by a machine.

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Postby mentalgongfu2 » Fri Jan 23, 2009 6:53 pm

No, no, Mac, Obama is bad, bad, bad. Please stop suggesting that anything good can come from his presidency. It can't, and it won't, and I'll see you in the gruel line in the dissident camps this summer where we can apologize to those who saw the looming fascist dictatorship while we were blinded by irrational hope and silly hero worship.


Pan, why don't you give it a rest for a while?
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Postby Penguin » Fri Jan 23, 2009 7:16 pm

I just gotta piss in your cornflakes from my high (sic) place on top of the world here in the Arctic tundra..

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profpan, just for giggles..
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Postby Penguin » Fri Jan 23, 2009 7:35 pm

"These are the first drone attacks since Barack Obama was inaugurated as US president on Tuesday."

Pakistan Drone Attack Kills Nine

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/7847423.stm

A suspected US drone missile attack has killed nine people in north-western Pakistan, local witnesses say.

At least one missile hit a house in a village near the town of Mirali in North Waziristan, a stronghold of al-Qaeda and Taleban militants.

A second suspected drone attack has now been reported in South Waziristan but there is no word on casualties.

Pakistan has long argued that such strikes are counter-productive and are a violation of its sovereignty.

These are the first drone attacks since Barack Obama was inaugurated as US president on Tuesday.
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Postby JackRiddler » Fri Jan 23, 2009 9:39 pm

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See NY Times coverage, below, which leaves it up in the air if this strike was Obama's direct call, or a continuation of the strikes in Pakistan already made routine under Bush. The Times says today's strikes suggest Obama will continue the strikes?!

Sounds like it's too bad for the 17 dead. At least three children snuffed out, apparently killed by bureaucratic inertia while the new prez decides whether he wanted to kill them or not.

Please. Such bullshit. And imagine if 100 civilians were killed as collateral damage in the US, even in the course of apprehending murderers. In fact, imagine one or two such casualties - it would be casus belli.

I can't imagine they'd go ahead with the first attack under Obama without his direct approval. This will become abundantly clear by tomorrow or Monday latest, when the new WH press guy will have to make a statement owning it or claiming it wasn't Obama's idea.

CNN was covering this earlier, they also left the question vague. In fact, they're even still playing the pretense that the strikes are merely "suspected to be by" the US. (!)

"CNN has learned missile strikes are conducted under an existing covert program" ... that does not require direct approval of the president.

Two further stories of note:

1) Pakistani officer, Maj. Abbas, says how everyone in Pakistan hates this. Seeming to concede some legitimacy to the idea of killing militants,* he says maybe five militants get killed in the course of 50 US strikes, with 100 civilians dead as "collateral damage," and it makes the job of the Pakistani military harder.

(* And even if they are total American-hating militants, how is this legitimate? Are they even, at least, known to actually be acting on their "militancy" in a way that might do anything against Americans? Or does the thought-crime suffice for instant death penalty?)

2) Interview with Saudi prince Turki - the head of the GID for 22 years until just before 9/11 and a member of the "Safari Club," considered Bin Ladin's handler in the Afghanistan years. Besides harsh criticism of US Israel policy, he insists Bin Ladin's alive and at large. He mocks Bush for not really being able to track OBL down, says there's no doubt OBL's in the Pakistani-Afghan border area. Basically, providing the justification for attacks in the border area like today's!

(Going by the logic sometimes employed here, I guess that makes Turki the true mastermind of the US strikes on Pakistan, which after all do not benefit "Joe" Americans.)


Strikes in Pakistan Underscore Obama’s Options

By RICHARD A. OPPEL Jr.
Published: January 23, 2009

ISLAMABAD -- Two missile attacks launched from unmanned American aircraft killed at least 15 people in western Pakistan on Friday, suggesting that the strategy of using drones to kill militants inside Pakistan’s own borders would continue under President Obama.

Remotely piloted Predator drones operated by the Central Intelligence Agency have carried out more than 30 missile attacks since last summer against Al Qaeda members and other suspected terrorists deep in their redoubts on the Pakistani side of the border with Afghanistan.

But the attacks have also killed civilians, enraging Pakistanis and making it more difficult for the country’s shaky government to win support for its own military operations against Taliban guerrillas in the country’s lawless border region.

American officials in Washington, who said there were no immediate signs that the Friday strikes had killed any senior Al Qaeda leaders, said they dispelled for the moment any notion that Mr. Obama would rein in the Predator attacks.

Even as the C.I.A. continues its strikes just inside Pakistan’s border with Afghanistan, Mr. Obama and his top national security aides are likely to review in the coming days other counterterrorism measures put in place by the Bush administration, American officials said.

These include orders that President Bush secretly approved in July that for the first time allowed American Special Operations forces to carry out ground assaults inside Pakistan without the prior approval of the Pakistani government.

Both of Friday’s missile attacks hit Waziristan, a remote and mountainous region completely controlled by the Taliban. It is part of Pakistan’s semiautonomous federally administered tribal areas along the Afghan border.

The first struck a village known as Mir Ali in North Waziristan late in the afternoon. Pakistani government officials issued a statement saying the attack destroyed the house of a man identified as Khalil Dawar and killed eight people. The statement said that militants surrounded the area and retrieved the bodies. But a senior Pakistani security official said that four of those killed were Arabs. Pakistani intelligence officials often take the presence of foreign fighters as indications of Al Qaeda.

In the second attack, missiles struck a house near the village of Wana in South Waziristan, killing seven people, according to local accounts and Pakistani news reports. The reports said three of the dead were children.

American officials believe the drone strikes have killed a number of suspected militants along the frontier since last year, including a senior Qaeda operative who was killed Jan. 1 and was believed to have been involved in the 1998 bombings of the United States Embassies in Kenya and Tanzania as well as the bombing of the Marriott Hotel in Islamabad four months ago.

But the accompanying civilian toll has helped spur a fury among Pakistanis. One senior Pakistani official estimated that the attacks may have killed as many as 100 civilians; it was not possible to verify the estimate.

American and Pakistani officials are known to share some intelligence about militants, but it remains unclear whether Pakistani officials have in any way acquiesced to the drone strikes or helped provide any intelligence for them while maintaining opposition in public. Openly supporting the attacks would be untenable for a government already straining against the popular perception that it is too close to the American government.

The chief spokesman for the Pakistani military, Maj. Gen. Athar Abbas, told CNN in an interview broadcast on Friday that the drone attacks were counterproductive and had made it harder for troops to operate in regions where they are battling Taliban militants.

“We face much more difficulty as a result of drone strikes,” General Abbas said.

While the military is trying to “wean away the tribe at large from the militant component of the tribe,” he said, the drone strikes “diminishes the line which divides the militant component and the tribe at large.”

Ismail Khan contributed reporting from Peshawar, Pakistan, and Eric Schmitt from Washington.


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Postby JackRiddler » Sat Jan 24, 2009 4:28 pm

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Guardian says Obama gave go-ahead:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/ja ... air-strike

President orders air strikes on villages in tribal area
Ewen MacAskill in Washington
The Guardian, Saturday 24 January 2009
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Barack Obama gave the go-ahead for his first military action yesterday, missile strikes against suspected militants in Pakistan which killed at least 18 people.

Four days after assuming the presidency, he was consulted by US commanders before they launched the two attacks. Although Obama has abandoned many of the "war on terror" policies of George Bush while he was president, he is not retreating from the hunt for Osama bin Laden and other al-Qaida leaders.

The US believes they are hiding in the tribal areas along the border with Afghanistan, and made 30 strikes last year in which more than 200 people were killed. In the election, Obama hinted at increased operations in Pakistan, saying he thought Bush had made a mistake in switching to Iraq before completing the job against al-Qaida in Afghanistan and Pakistan.

The US marine corp commander said yesterday that his 22,000 troops should be redeployed from Iraq to Afghanistan. Gen James Conway said "the time is right" to leave Iraq now the war had become largely nation-building rather than the pitched fighting in which the corps excelled; he wanted the marines in Afghanistan, especially in the south where insurgents, and the Taliban and al-Qaida, benefit from both a nearby safe haven in Pakistan and a booming trade in narcotics.

Obama has warned that he is prepared to bomb inside Pakistan if he gets relevant intelligence about the whereabouts of Osama bin Laden. He had also said he would act against militants along the border if the Pakistan government failed to.

The US missiles were fired by unmanned Predator drones, which hang in the sky gathering intelligence through surveillance and, when commanded and directed by remote control, to launch attacks.

The strikes will help Obama portray himself as a leader who, though ready to shift the balance of American power towards diplomacy, is not afraid of military action.

The first attack yesterday was on the village of Zharki, in Waziristan; three missiles destroyed two houses and killed 10 people. One villager told Reuters of phonethat of nine bodies pulled from the rubble of one house, six were its owner and his relatives; Reuters added that intelligence officials said some foreign militants were also killed. A second attack hours later also in Warizistan killed eight people.

The Pakistan government publicly expressed hope that the arrival of Obama would see a halt to such strikes, which stir up hostility from Pakistanis towards the government; in private, the government may be more relaxed about such attacks.

There is a lot of nervousness in the new administration about the fragility of Pakistan, particularly as it has nuclear weapons, but it also sees Afghanistan and Pakistan as being linked. In the face of a Taliban resurgence, there is despair in Washington over the leadership of the Afghan leader, Hamid Karzai, and there will not be much disappointment if he is replaced in elections later this year.

But Washington insists on seeing as one of its biggest problems the ability of the Taliban and al-Qaida to maintain havens in Pakistan. Obama on Thursday announced he was making veteran diplomat Richard Holbrooke a special envoy to Pakistan and Afghanistan. The secretary of state, Hillary Clinton, spoke by phone to the Pakistan president, Asif Ali Zardari.


Please note: I find it very unlikely that Obama wasn't a full cheerleader on these strikes. But no WH statement has been forthcoming, despite what the Guardian says. A source is only implied: "commanders." The strikes are part of an ongoing covert program involving 30 strikes in the last year and at least 100 civilians killed (according to the Pakistani military). There is also the precedent of Bay of Pigs or Somalia -- Pentagon roping into immediate military involvements a new president who by virtue of being Democratic is considered soft or potentially disloyal. (I know that it sounds ridiculous to you, RI readers, but you're not a Pentagon hardliner are you now?)

The WH is going to be forced into a statement on this soon, given Pakistan's reaction.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/art ... AD95TKGK81

Pakistan urges Obama to halt missile attacks

By ASIF SHAHZAD – 3 hours ago

ISLAMABAD, Pakistan (AP) — Pakistan urged President Barack Obama to halt U.S. missile strikes on al-Qaida strongholds near the Afghan border, saying Saturday that civilians were killed the previous day in the first attacks since Obama's inauguration.

Pakistani security officials said eight suspected foreign militants, including an Egyptian al-Qaida operative, were among 22 people killed in Friday's twin strikes in the Waziristan region.

But the Foreign Ministry said that the attacks by unmanned aircraft also killed an unspecified number of civilians and that it had informed U.S. officials of its "great concern."

"With the advent of the new U.S. administration, it is Pakistan's sincere hope that the United States will review its policy and adopt a more holistic and integrated approach toward dealing with the issue of terrorism and extremism," a ministry statement said.

"We maintain that these attacks are counterproductive and should be discontinued," it said.

Pakistani leaders complain that stepped-up missile strikes — there have been more than 30 since August — fan anti-American sentiment and undermine the government's own efforts to counter Islamist militants.

But their protests have had few practical consequences, fueling speculation that Islamabad's cash-strapped, pro-U.S. government has given tacit approval in return for political and financial support from Washington.

Obama has not commented on the missile strike policy.

However, he has made the war in Afghanistan and the intertwined al-Qaida fight in Pakistan an immediate foreign policy priority. Few observers expect him to ditch a tactic that U.S. officials say has killed a string of militant leaders behind the insurgency in Afghanistan — and who were perhaps plotting terrorist attacks in the West.


NOTE: Perhaps is good enough to kill them and 100 bystanders. Is that sort of what the New York Police Department was doing with Sean Bell?)

Three intelligence officials told The Associated Press that funerals were held Saturday for nine Pakistanis killed Friday in Zharki, a village in the North Waziristan region.

The officials, citing reports from field agents and residents, said Taliban fighters had earlier removed the bodies of five suspected foreign militants who also died in the first missile strike Friday. Initial reports put the death toll from that attack at 10.

A senior security official in the capital, Islamabad, identified one of the slain men as a suspected al-Qaida operative called Mustafa al-Misri. He said it was unclear if the man was a significant figure.

The second strike hit a house in the South Waziristan region. Residents and security officials say eight people died in the village of Gangi Khel.

Resident Allah Noor Wazir said he attended funerals for the owner of the targeted house, Din Faraz, his three sons and a guest.

"I also heard that three bodies had been taken away by Taliban. They say they belong to foreigners," Wazir told the AP by telephone.

The security officials spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to speak to the media.

The United States does not directly acknowledge firing the missiles, which are believed to be mostly fired from drones operated by the CIA and launched from neighboring Afghanistan.

Pakistan's government has little control over the border region, which is considered a likely hiding place for al-Qaida chief Osama bin Laden and other terrorist leaders.*

While protesting the missile strikes, Pakistan's government on Saturday also welcomed Obama's decision to close the Guantanamo Bay detention facility.

A Foreign Ministry statement Saturday said the move was a step toward "upholding the primacy of the rule of law" and would add a "much-needed moral dimension in dealing with terrorism."

Pakistan helped the United States round up hundreds of militants in the wake of the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, including several al-Qaida leaders still incarcerated at Guantanamo.

Associated Press writer Munir Ahmad contributed to this report.


* - again, recall Prince Turki interview yesterday giving a tacit imprimatur to US action there by guaranteeing OBL is there.

My impression of the Pakistani authorities is that they are not at all happy with this situation, or giving any willing "tacit" approval. Normally there'd be a tension between the new civilian govt under Zardari and the military, but if you saw the military spokesman yesterday on CNN, you'd have heard a very clear condemnation of the US action.

What does China have to say on all this?

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2009- ... 715627.htm

Pak president protests against U.S. missile strikes


www.chinaview.cn 2009-01-25 00:17:03


ISLAMABAD, Jan. 24 (Xinhua) -- Pakistani President Asif Ali Zardari Saturday protested over U.S. missile strikes on the tribal regions and said that such strikes were counterproductive, according to local press reports.

The private NNI news agency quoted official sources as saying that Zardari told U.S. ambassador N.W. Patterson that the drone attacks could affect the war on terror.

Zardari made it clear to the U.S. envoy that only Pakistani security forces had the right to act against the militants, according to the report.


He hoped that the new U.S. administration would stop missile strikes on the tribal regions, adding that the Pakistani democratic government was under tremendous pressure due to the issue, it said.

The Pakistani parliament has adopted a unanimous resolution which clearly says that any U.S. and NATO attacks would be considered as attack on the country's sovereignty.

Zardari was quoted as saying that the Pakistani government is holding dialogue with those militants who give up weapons and accept the writ of the government, saying that multi-pronged policies have proved fruitful in the tribal regions.

Meanwhile, in a brief story, the official APP news agency only reported that the U.S. ambassador to Pakistan had a luncheon meeting with Zardari here Saturday and current regional situation and bilateral issues came under discussion.

Around 20 people were killed Friday in two separate missile strikes from drones in South and North Waziristan of Pakistan.

The strikes were the first since U.S. President Barack Obama took office and came one day after he appointed a veteran diplomat as his special envoy for Afghanistan and Pakistan. Pakistani

Prime Minister Syed Yousuf Raza Gilani has sent out an invitation to the newly-appointed special envoy for Pakistan and Afghanistan Richard Holbrooke to visit Pakistan.

Editor: Yan


The fact that a butcher like Holbrooke's been sent to this region indicates that it's a hot spot and priority. (Otherwise a defuser-type like Mitchell would have been sent.)

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Postby Trifecta » Sat Jan 24, 2009 8:04 pm

I would be most interested to hear Pan's justification for cheer when this is the obvious part of the next phase?

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Postby JackRiddler » Sat Jan 24, 2009 8:59 pm

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Be nice to Pan.

No Guantanamo and continuing the massacre in Afghanistan and Pakistan is progress over keeping Guantanamo and continuing the massacre in Afghanistan and Paksitan as planned. It's a fucked up calculus - on the other hand, it's not like our opinions of it, whether we're happier in the one state than in the other, affects anything at all.

The next step is for Pakistan to speak up and demand an end to these strikes, bring their complaint to the rest of the world. My feeling is that they can get traction and this will be slightly likelier to work with Obama than was the case on Bush. The rest of the world is ready to see an end to the Pakistan-Afghanistan actions, I believe.

It's fucked. Basically, you need to see those 1.8 million people and many more return to the streets of Washington, this time to stay and shut down traffic until the wars are done. That task is the same now as it was before, except before it was less likely to cause a policy change. Yeah, I really believe that. It's up to us, collectively.

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