Obama's first evil act as president

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Postby vigilant » Fri Jan 23, 2009 12:21 am

professorpan wrote:But we're not wolves and rabbits -- we're humans. And anger may be useful at times, but I disagree about hatred being useful. Hatred is poison.



ahhhhh...Like I keep saying, "its those damn words"....again.

When the aggressor needs the emotion it is "justified anger" and he strikes down his innocent opponent with it.

When the innocent opponent needs to use the same emotion to fight back and kill the aggressor its now called "hatred".

Clever trick don't ya think?

When the aggressor attacks an innocent opponent it is "self defense".
When the innocent opponent attacks back it is "insurgent terrorism".

Its those damn words.....again.


When a banker uses his clout, might, and wealth to ravage entire nations, kill its children and peoples, loot its resources, its called "war".
When someone criticizes the bankers war its called "anti semitism" even though no race be mentioned or thought of.

Its those damn words....again.


When an aggressor uses force, brutality, and deception against the innocent occupants of its own country in an effort to get the occupants to set sail on a boat with rifles to go kill innocent people its called "the law".
When the innocent occupant uses the same tactics to fight back he has somehow lowered himself to the standards of the aggressor and must suffer from 'the law'.

Its those damn words... again.


When Barack Obama makes promises to the American people and then votes for war, Patriot Act, Fisa, etc...its called a lie.
When Obama starts sweeping up the bloody bodies and making tidy the killing zone to hide the crimes from history its called a "humanitarian" gesture.

Its those damn words...again.


The aggressor knows something the rabbit does not. He knows the most deceptive animal, that also uses the most brutal force, wins the vast majority of the time. Leopards have camoflogue for a reason. It helps the Leopard lie to the prey. The Leopard with his spots and coloration says, "i'm not here because you don't see me" and the lie is believed by the deceived prey.

The most successful animals use stealth, they deceive by hiding or fooling another animal, they steal, they cheat, they use force of the most horrific nature. The richest and most powerful humans on the planet know this and they use the same tactic. At the same time they tell the prey to do this....

"Have yourself some HOPE and PRAY and have some FAITH, but never lower yourself to the gutter and use the tactic of the same human (animal) that will steal your labor and energy and thus your livlihood, because if you do you just might defeat us, and we can't have that now can we. So turn the other cheek, don't be an angry hater, don't take an action because you want to be better than that.?"

and we fall for it...and have been for thousands of years. Mother nature didn't intend for it to be that way. She gave us anger so that we would recognize this shit and deal with it in an appropriate manner. But now we have dictionaries and TV, so we don't even know the correct definition of the word "appropriate" anymore. We simply believe its whatever we are told.

I simply believe what I see. What I have seen is Obama's actions, and his rhetoric be damned. The son of a bitch needs to be run out of office right along with the rest of his ilk regardless of color, race, ethnicity, religious affiliation, and any other horse shit you can name.

The man is a predator and he scares me worse than Bush. Why? Because he is a hell of a lot smarter than Bush. He is a hell of a lot more sneaky than Bush ever was. His camoflogue is far superior to anything Bush could have ever dreamed of having. Bush had "rightous christian" camoflogue. Its tired too, been used before, and more easily seen.

Obama on the other hand has a brand new suit. He has the newest and most effective camoflogue on the market. His predator friends have painted him with the best damn set of camoflogue I have seen in decades. He is wearing the grand and new "first black president" camoflogue and its adorned with the "fighting for the less fortunate" ornaments, etc...

To top it off the man is smart as hell, has charisma, and all this makes him one of the most dangerous men in the entire world. As a matter of fact, he is probably the most venomous bastard walking when you consider his PAST ACTIONS, FUTURE INTENTIONS, COMPANY HE KEEPS, AND POWER HE WIELDS.

So please spare me the damn "give Obama a chance" bullshit because he doesn't need one. He's already flying his "colors" high and proud, and I damn sure don't mean his skin color either. I can see the mans camoflogue and so can anyone else that cares to look and see into the abyss. Watching him sweep up a murder scene that he himself supported and aided doesn't impress me either. He is setting the stage for the next atrocity that he and the "same bunch" will perpetrate on humanity.

Here we all are, looking around us, wondering where all these damn haters are that want to come kill us all in our own country. Wondering where all these anti semites are. Wondering where all these gay bashers are. Where all these Muslim haters are? Hell a ton of them live here and are our friends and coworkers. The brown skinned man moves here by the thousands on a daily basis and we welcome them. But remember, they hate us and we hate them right? What the hell is wrong with this picture? Somebody is lying their ass off to me.

Where in the hell are all these damn haters that we so desperately need to be protected from? They don't exist except in televison, and in the minds of the people that have neglected to take a look around themselves and realize that they don't exist. If they did exist in the numbers we are told none of us would be able to go to the store and get a loaf of bread without getting whacked for our skin color or our hairstyle.

How many people wake up in the morning and actually have a first thought of, "sure wish I could kill me a couple of middle eastern fuckers this morning right quick before I gotta go to work"? Practically nobody, unless they listen to Obama's lying ass say, "them brown middle eastern men wanna kill ya and kill your children too cause they hate you". Its a damn lie and Obama is killing people over the same lie.

So Obama can take his murdering place in history and he obviously doesn't care because he suscribes to the "meanest son of a bitch in the valley wins the race for the most loot" theory. When I say "meanest" I don't just mean that he is a damn hater, which of course he is. I also mean, well I mean, well I mean.......MEAN....ya know that sorta MEAN. As in "closest to the center of the groove" type of mean. Golden mean ratio type of mean.

Meanest man alive is God. Mean as in "rip out your guts" and mean as in "riding the perfect line around the race track" so that you may have maximum force and effectiveness. Interesting concept....think about that one. God is the meanest man alive..........and these assholes have been playing king of the hill since they were born 'into it' in may instances. Gods on earth is their belief...meanest man alive wins by their definition of winning.


If you can't 'seer' it, its cause you don't wanna, or cause you drank too much of Bill C. the man from Hope and Barack's have some Hope punch. I love optimistic and motivated people. Hell I was a medical salesman for sixteen years dude. I know about being optimistic and looking toward the best case scenario. Ya know?

But sometimes the best case scenario 'does not' involve holding hands and singing for the best. Sometimes it involves some tough choices and bleak scenarios to punch through to the other side. Realizing that Obama is nothing more than another "brotha snake" is a step in the right direction. And 'hell no' brotha don't mean black, or...uhhhh...yes it does.

But not the black you are thinking about. It means 'brotha' of the elite order and the 'snake' is a symbol you probably understand. It means black magician and slithering sneaky son of a bitch that is biting you as we speak. It also means black black magician because that is part of his camoflogue his buddies dressed him up in. Yes that is a reference to his color. Call it racism if you like. I also called a leopard 'spotted' God forbid so check my 'racist' scorecard for that one too.

Holy shit.......

You have hope, i'll have "sight".....
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Postby Col. Quisp » Fri Jan 23, 2009 12:43 am

Brilliant post, Vigilant! I must say I am enjoying the discourse here. I am glad to be among you all.
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Postby vigilant » Fri Jan 23, 2009 12:44 am

Col. Quisp wrote:Brilliant post, Vigilant! I must say I am enjoying the discourse here. I am glad to be among you all.


Well you may wanna read it again then because we just cross posted and I went back and edited the hell out of it......I wasn't done yet.
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Postby Col. Quisp » Fri Jan 23, 2009 1:00 am

Ha ha !! I still like the first part!! The last part is a bit strong, but I admire your conviction!!

As I watched Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama and crew today, I felt they were getting us ready for more war...Seeing Hillary in command made me afraid, and I can't put it into words. It just seems more of the same only more so.
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Postby compared2what? » Fri Jan 23, 2009 1:16 am

professorpan wrote:
Conversely, what would Obama need to do for you to say "That was fucked up; Obama is worse than I'd hoped"?


Okay, fair play -- let's turn this question around.

What would Obama need to do for you [the collective you] to say, "That was great; Obama is actually not as bad as I suspected"?


I liked it when we had a Fourth Amendment. Which in practice we don't, as the law stands at the moment, at least wrt not having any reasonable expectation of privacy that's protected under the law.

But honestly, my primary concern is not for my own rights. There's much, much more than enough evidence to mandate investigating a few of the men who just left office in connection with crimes that, among other things, killed approximately a million people. I'm not a hater, in particular. And I don't think I'm a cynic either. What I think is that anyone who's in a position to hold the killers of approximately one million people accountable for their crimes, but who can tolerate letting it slide is morally contemptible and potentially capable of anything. I think it's reasonable to expect that some of his policy initiatives will make some superficially positive contribution to the domestic common good. And I mildly look forward to that. But it doesn't make him an admirable, trustworthy or heroic figure. We are a rogue nation. Our voting system is broken, our economy is beyond broken, our civil liberties are largely notional, our poor and oppressed are numerous and living in cruel and inhuman conditions, and our ongoing crimes and/or support of crimes against most of the people on several continents are...well, ongoing. And any politician who knows that and overlooks it cannot really be regarded as "good," imo. They might be "not affirmatively bad," but that's as close as they're ever gonna get. And I don't say that because I get a kick out of bashing Obama. I find him very soothing, but beyond that I have no personal feelings about the man at all. He's just not a good politician, by my standards.
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Postby vigilant » Fri Jan 23, 2009 2:39 am

Col. Quisp wrote:Ha ha !! I still like the first part!! The last part is a bit strong, but I admire your conviction!!

As I watched Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama and crew today, I felt they were getting us ready for more war...Seeing Hillary in command made me afraid, and I can't put it into words. It just seems more of the same only more so.



I agree. Its probably too strong in its content but sometimes I get stirred up by the crap I see and hear and I vent. The truth usually is strong though and that is mine...But its written now so i'll let it be what it is. My pressure valve is a little weak right now for some reason.
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Postby Stephen Morgan » Fri Jan 23, 2009 6:22 am

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Postby professorpan » Fri Jan 23, 2009 2:39 pm

From NYT, via today's Progress Report:

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2009 ... tice-dept/

President Obama nominated David Kris, a former critic of Bush's warrantless wiretapping program, to lead the Justice Department's national security division. In late 2005, "Mr. Kris wrote a 23-page legal analysis that described as 'weak' and likely unsupportable some of the Bush administration's key legal arguments in justifying the program."
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Postby Col. Quisp » Fri Jan 23, 2009 2:52 pm

On Friday, Pakistani intelligence officials reported a suspected U.S. drone fired three missiles in Pakistan's North Waziristan tribal agency, killing five people. If confirmed, the strike would be the first such covert missile strike under President Obama's administration.

http://www.voanews.com/english/2009-01-23-voa35.cfm

And so it begins...
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Postby Col. Quisp » Fri Jan 23, 2009 3:08 pm

If 5 of the 18 killed were militants, were the other 13 civilians?

Update:


Suspected U.S. missile attacks kill 18 in Pakistan
The raids suggest that President Obama's administration will continue the campaign against Al Qaeda and Taliban targets in Pakistan.
By Laura King

10:17 AM PST, January 23, 2009

Reporting from Islamabad — In the first such strikes since the inauguration of President Barack Obama, suspected U.S. missile barrages today killed at least 18 people in the lawless tribal region near the Afghan border, Pakistani officials said.

The two raids suggested that the new U.S. administration intends to press ahead with attacks against Islamic militants in the rural areas, even though the campaign has been politically costly to Pakistan's Western-leaning civilian government. President Obama indicated during the campaign for the White House that he would continue to carry out strikes against "high-value" Al Qaeda and Taliban targets on Pakistani soil, particularly if the Pakistani military were unable or unwilling to act. That declaration ruffled some feathers in Pakistan, where the U.S. raids are extremely unpopular.

Although Pakistani leaders have repeatedly lodged formal diplomatic objections to the American airstrikes, the government is widely believed to have given tacit permission to U.S. forces to carry out such raids -- as long as they do not involve sending ground forces into Pakistani territory.

Pakistani news reports cited security officials as saying that at least five of those killed in today's strikes in the North and South Waziristan tribal agencies -- long known as a haven for Al Qaeda and the Taliban -- were militants. Dozens of such raids have been carried out in the last six months by the Bush administration, killing several important Al Qaeda-linked figures. But scores of Pakistani civilians, including women and children, also died, according to local officials.

The first of today's attacks took place in the North Waziristan village of Zharki, with missiles striking at least two structures, according to security officials. A short time later, a separate strike was reported in South Waziristan. The American military in Afghanistan refused any comment on the raids, but U.S. forces are known to operate unmanned Predator drones from bases on the Afghan side of the border, together with newer Reaper aircraft.

In a sign of simmering antigovernment and antiAmerican sentiment, hundreds of people staged a demonstration here today, demanding a severing of ties with the United States. Also today, new violence hit northwestern Pakistan, where Taliban insurgents have pushed beyond the tribal areas to menace civilians and government troops alike. Two Pakistani soldiers and three civilians were reported killed in bombings in the Swat Valley, a onetime tourist area 100 miles north of the Pakistani capital Islamabad where Taliban militants hold sway despite months of government efforts to dislodge them.

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http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-pakistan-missiles24-2009jan24,0,4120819.story
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Postby vigilant » Fri Jan 23, 2009 3:12 pm

professorpan wrote:From NYT, via today's Progress Report:

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2009 ... tice-dept/

President Obama nominated David Kris, a former critic of Bush's warrantless wiretapping program, to lead the Justice Department's national security division. In late 2005, "Mr. Kris wrote a 23-page legal analysis that described as 'weak' and likely unsupportable some of the Bush administration's key legal arguments in justifying the program."


If you are 'sincere' I love you immensely. If you are pushing agendas then I don't.

If you are sincere I support your enthusiasm and I think you are an incredibly kind and loving soul. The world needs more of you.

I fail miserably though to see how you don't 'see' this situation...but I fail quite often...in many areas.
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Postby elfismiles » Fri Jan 23, 2009 3:31 pm

A Great Start

Sure Ron Paul would have done much more and much better, but I gotta hand it to the new emperor, his first day of executive orders banned torture, rescinded all memos regarding prisoner treatment written since 9/11/01, mandated an immediate return to Common Article III of the Geneva Convention, closed the CIA ghost prisons and granted access to the Red Cross, closed Guantanamo Bay, mandated a halt to the military commissions and instructed the job-holders to come up with a way to put actual terrorists on trial in U.S. federal courts while letting the rest of the innocent go free, and he’s ordered the DoJ to review the al-Marri case (he’s the legal resident arrested in Peoria and turned over to the Navy for indefinite torture/imprisonment, Padilla-style).

If I didn’t know what a horrible president Obama has already promised to be, I’d actually like him right now.

Okay Barack, if there is, in fact, such a thing as the law, you know what you have to do.

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Postby chlamor » Fri Jan 23, 2009 3:35 pm

Obama Condemns Palestinian Rocket Fire, Silent on US-Backed Israeli Mass Killings in Gaza

Meanwhile, Obama made his first substantive comments on the Middle East conflict since Israel’s attack on Gaza. Obama first mentioned his commitment to Israel’s security, without affirming his commitment to Palestinian security. He condemned Palestinian rocket attacks on southern Israeli towns, but didn’t criticize the US-backed Israeli bombings of densely populated Gaza. But in a departure from the Bush administration, Obama acknowledged Palestinian suffering and said Gaza’s borders should be opened to aid.

President Obama: “I was deeply concerned by the loss of Palestinian and Israeli life in recent days and by the substantial suffering and humanitarian needs in Gaza. Our hearts go out to Palestinian civilians who are in need of immediate food, clean water and basic medical care, and who’ve faced suffocating poverty for far too long. Now we must extend a hand of opportunity to those who seek peace. As part of a lasting ceasefire, Gaza’s border crossings should be open to allow the flow of aid and commerce, with an appropriate monitoring regime, with the international and Palestinian Authority participating. Relief efforts must be able to reach innocent Palestinians who depend on them.”

In further comments that could signal a departure from Bush, Obama mentioned the Arab League peace initiative, which would offer Israel normalized relations in return for a full withdrawal from the Occupied Territories and a just resolution for Palestinian refugees. The Bush administration had backed Israel’s rejection of the offer and its expansion of settlements in the Occupied West Bank.

President Obama: “I should add that the Arab peace initiative contains constructive elements that could help advance these efforts. Now is the time for Arab states to act on the initiative’s promise by supporting the Palestinian government under President Abbas and Prime Minister Fayyad, taking steps towards normalizing relations with Israel, and by standing up to extremism that threatens us all.”

While Palestinan President Mahmoud Abbas welcomed Obama’s comments, a Hamas spokesperson told Al Jazeera television Obama’s position does not represent change.

Palestinian Health Ministry: Gaza Toll Passes 1,400

Obama’s comments come as thousands of Palestinians in the Gaza Strip continue to return to destroyed homes. On Thursday, thirteen-year-old Dalal Abu Aisha visited the site where her parents and three younger siblings were killed, their home now reduced to rubble.

Dalal Abu Aisha: “What remains from my sister’s mattress is only the iron springs. My sister’s body was stuck together with my mother’s body, and they couldn’t separate them, so they left them together. They couldn’t separate them, so they buried them together.”

Dalal had missed the attack on her home because she was visiting an aunt whose young daughter had been killed the day earlier by an Israel tank. The Palestinian health ministry in Gaza has put the Palestinian toll at more than 1,400 killed and 5,500 wounded. One of Gaza’s leading human rights groups, the Palestinian Centre for Human Rights, says nearly 70 percent of the deaths were civilian. Overall, thirty-four health facilities—eight hospitals and twenty-six clinics—were damaged or destroyed in the Israeli attack.

http://www.democracynow.org/2009/1/23/headlines#3

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Postby Col. Quisp » Fri Jan 23, 2009 4:12 pm

Update on Pakistan:

The United States generally does not comment on or confirm whether it is behind missile attacks. White House spokesman Robert Gibbs refused to take questions about the incident at his regular briefing for reporters in Washington on Friday.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/01/23/AR2009012301220.html?hpid=topnews

Talk about transparency!
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Postby RocketMan » Fri Jan 23, 2009 4:16 pm

I'm sure the 15 killed were just die-hard cynics and incorrigible Obama-haters, though.
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