Obama's first evil act as president

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Postby chlamor » Fri Jan 30, 2009 10:14 pm

professorpan wrote:From today's Progress Report:

LABOR -- OBAMA TO REVERSE ANTI-UNION BUSH ORDERS: Today, President Obama will host labor leaders at the White House, where he is expected to undo four anti-union Bush-era directives. The orders that Obama will reverse include one that "allowed unionized companies to post signs informing workers that they are allowed to decertify their union." Another Obama order will prohibit federal contractors from being reimbursed for expenses "intended to influence workers' decisions to form unions or engage in collective bargaining." Labor leaders were also on hand yesterday when Obama signed his first major piece of legislation, the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act, which bolsters workers' ability to bring pay discrimination lawsuits. In an interview with CNBC yesterday, Vice President Biden vowed to help labor get "a fair share of the pie." Obama's orders will come at the end of a week that has seen another massive wave of job losses.


You see Pan this is exactly the sort of thing which puts on full display how it is the Obama followers, you in this case, accept on face value something which seems that it might be meaningful when in fact it is more smoke and mirrors.

The most important aspect in all of this is how it appeases those who might otherwise seek meaningful change as they are duped time and again by such hollow acts. What is amazing is that you would post this and have not taken even a moment to examine it. This is another example of how when you support something so blindly you shut off your critical thinking skills.

The first question you might ask yourself in this example is who exactly are those "labor leaders" and what have they been involved in through the years as relates to unions.

Perhaps you are okay with all of this and a "fair share" of the rotten pie is all you can muster the imagination for. But for many of us that is not only not good enough it's not even an acceptable discussion.

BTW this manner of blindness is exactly the sort of thing I get in daily conversations where I live which is rife with Obamatrons. These internet discussions are only a reflection.

And lastly Pan you mentioned somewhere in this thread about my not giving credit for the things Obama has done and in that you are wrong. I have been doing much of that just as I give credit to those whose tacit support of the Empire props the Beast with their insipid ideologies.
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Postby chlamor » Fri Jan 30, 2009 10:22 pm

Samantha Power will be Senior Foreign Policy Aid at the NSC

Professor who slammed Clinton will be Obama aide
By MATTHEW LEE – 12 hours ago

WASHINGTON (AP) — Samantha Power, the Harvard University professor who earned notoriety for calling Hillary Rodham Clinton a "monster" while working to elect Barack Obama president, will take a senior foreign policy job at the White House, The Associated Press has learned.

Officials familiar with the decision say Obama has tapped Power to be senior director for multilateral affairs at the National Security Council, a job that will require close contact and potential travel with Clinton, who is now secretary of state. NSC staffers often accompany the secretary of state on foreign trips.

The officials spoke on condition of anonymity because Power's position, as well as that of other senior NSC positions, have not yet been announced. One official said the announcements would be made in the near future.

White House officials would not provide details of Power's new role.

Power was an early and ardent Obama supporter until the "monster" comment forced her off his campaign, but she was rehabilitated after the election when she made a gesture to apologize to Clinton and was included in the transition teams for both the State Department and the U.S. mission to the United Nations.

At the time, an official close to the transition said Power's "gesture to bury the hatchet" with Clinton had been well-received. Power and Clinton have met at least once since Clinton's confirmation last week when they both appeared at a State Department ceremony at which Obama announced the appointment of special envoys to South Asia and the Middle East.

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Postby Col. Quisp » Fri Jan 30, 2009 10:28 pm

...and it's not as though Obama introduced the Ledbetter legislation.

He merely signed the bill into law, after it was passed by Congress. True, it was something he had championed as a Senator, but still, he did not cause it to be passed unless he was twisting some arms.

Don't get me wrong, I think it's a good piece of legislation but it is legislation, not an act of the executive branch, except for the fact that he did not exercise veto power. So we should just say isn't it great Obama failed to veto this act?
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Postby chlamor » Fri Jan 30, 2009 10:34 pm

Obama appoints military man for diplomatic post

Meet General-Turned-Ambassador Karl Eikenberry
By Spencer Ackerman 1/30/09 8:50 AM

The New York Times reports that Karl Eikenberry, the commanding general of U.S. and NATO forces in Afghanistan from 2005 to 2007, is President Obama’s choice to become ambassador to Afghanistan. It’s an interesting choice: Eikenberry has two tours in Afghanistan to his name, so on the one hand he’s seen the sweep of the war as few Americans have; but on the other hand, during his last tour, security in Afghanistan decreased dramatically. To Eikenberry’s credit, his emphasis has consistently been on building up Afghan governance and security institutions — see this 2005 press briefing — but the results haven’t exactly inspired confidence. And in this interview with the Asia Society in 2006, he appears to downplay the insurgency’s resilience and capabilities:

I disagree that the Taliban and their affiliated movements of Al Qaeda are the strongest that they have ever been. I would say that they have changed their tactics. I would say that as the government of Afghanistan continues to advance into new areas where traditionally the influence of the state has not been found, even after 2001, that as the enemy is pushed into these spaces, the enemy is contesting the advance of the state. So I’d sum this all up by saying that at the end of the day it’s not that this is a strong enemy. It’s that the institutions of the state are still fragile and in certain instances are still weak.

Perhaps, but that enemy has increasingly expanded its hold around the country, operating by one estimate in 72 percent of it. Maybe the institutions of the state are still weak and the insurgency is fairly strong.

One issue The Times raises is that Eikenberry’s unusual appointment — you don’t often see a general take off his uniform and immediately put on a diplomat’s striped suit — may suggest an overly militarized approach to Afghanistan during the Obama administration. Maybe. But most of Eikenberry’s experience in Afghanistan demonstrates him talking repeatedly about the need to build up Afghanistan’s security forces and governance capacity as the wiser long-term strategy. That’s in line with what Defense Secretary Bob Gates outlined to the Senate earlier this week. National Security Adviser Jim Jones — a retired Marine general — Central Command chief Gen. David Petraeus and Gen. David McKiernan, Eikenberry’s successor as U.S./NATO commander on the ground, have all sounded similar notes as well. So while there may be an increased focus on security — and certainly McKiernan wants up to 30,000 more U.S. troops, with Gates’ support — you also have a team that has expressed wariness about Americanizing the war.

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Lieutenant General Karl Eikenberry is the commander of Combined Forces Command-Afghanistan. Prior to his current assignment, he was the director for Strategic Planning and Policy for US Pacific Command at Camp HM Smith, Hawaii.

Lt. General Eikenberry has served in various strategy, policy, and political-military posts and is the recipient of numerous military awards and decorations. He is a graduate of the U.S. Military Academy, has earned master's degrees from Harvard University in East Asian Studies and Stanford University in Political Science, and was a National Security Fellow at the Kennedy School of Government at Harvard.

This interview was conducted following Lt General Eikenberry's participation in the Asia Society program, Assessing the Afghanistan Campaign on May 1, 2006.

This week will mark your one year anniversary as commander of Combined Forces Command-Afghanistan. What have been the principal challenges you have faced in this position, and how, on balance, would you rate the successes and failures of the last year?

Over the past year we have seen combinations of extraordinary progress in the political domain in various aspects of the building of the security forces. Set against that is the significance of some of the challenges that are remaining for us to achieve success. For instance, over the past year I had the honor of commanding the coalition force when the final political piece of the Bonn process was put into place: the parliamentary elections that occurred in September 2005. The election was very successful with some violence but in the main a very successful election that was conducted around the country. And that parliament has now been seated. Provincial councils, as part of that election process, are now in place and being stood up.

With the Afghan national security forces, now there's some 30,000 in the Afghan national army and they continue to make more progress, an increasingly tough and resilient force that's getting proven now out in the field in combat working with coalition forces. Afghan national police force now just starting to get stood up with a program that we expect over the coming year will deliver more results.

Challenges that we're facing though, very significant challenges in the area of narco-trafficking. Challenges that the state of Afghanistan will face in trying to improve their governance as they're facing problems of corruption.

Despite the fact that during his March 2006 visit to Afghanistan, President George Bush applauded Afghan President Karzai as an "inspiration" to others seeking freedom, the anti-government insurgency in Afghanistan is growing and presents, according to intelligence reports, a greater threat than at any point since late 2001. What do you think accounts for this increase?

Well what I would say is that the so-called insurgency -- the associated movements of Al Qaeda, Taliban, Haqqani, Hekmatyar's group -- have certainly changed their tactics over the last year. Reluctant and not considering it wise on their part to frequently mask their formations as they did last year, when they suffered some very serious defeats at our hand… But they have changed their tactics and their tactics now is increasingly resorting to acts of terror: suicide bombers, improvised explosive devices, burning schools down, committing atrocities. Efforts to try to undermine the will of the Afghan people and to erode their faith and the credibility and the strength of the state.

I disagree that the Taliban and their affiliated movements of Al Qaeda are the strongest that they have ever been. I would say that they have changed their tactics. I would say that as the government of Afghanistan continues to advance into new areas where traditionally the influence of the state has not been found, even after 2001, that as the enemy is pushed into these spaces, the enemy is contesting the advance of the state. So I'd sum this all up by saying that at the end of the day it's not that this is a strong enemy. It's that the institutions of the state are still fragile and in certain instances are still weak.

In a recent report published by the Council on Foreign Relations, in an attempt to account for the change both in the form that the insurgency has taken, as well as the frequency of the violence, Barnett Rubin has suggested that, "Afghanistan and the Arab world have now switched places: whereas before 9/11 Arab jihadists created a base for terrorism in Afghanistan, the war in Iraq now provides a training and testing ground for new jihadi tactics, which have spread to Afghanistan." Could you comment on this?

I wouldn't speculate on the connection between tactics being used against the government of Iraq and our forces there. I would not speculate on the relationship between that and tactics that the enemy is using against the government of Afghanistan's forces and our forces. Clearly our forces and the Afghan national security forces and the people of Afghanistan, some of the attacks that are occurring are under the influence of so-called foreign fighters. And clearly those foreign fighters play a role in terms of funding. They play a role in support for the Taliban and associated movements. They play a role in terms of providing training and expertise for tactics that are being used against us. But again, I wouldn't want to speculate on a relationship between Iraq and Afghanistan. There's the obvious point though that has to be made that we are up against, all of us are up against an international terrorist network. And the ability of the enemy within that network then to move tactics, training and capabilities across the network is something that I think we're all aware of.

You spoke about this a little bit in your talk this afternoon: I wanted to clarify whether NATO troops in Afghanistan have the same war fighting mandate or abilities as US troops do.

The rules of engagement that NATO has adopted for its forces as it goes and expands into what we call stage three, the expansion into the south, the rules of engagement which they have classified those as, let's say, robust rules of engagement and that will allow them to prosecute the mission.

So in other words by the time they reach that stage they will have the same capabilities as US troops operating there do?

Well it's two different things you're asking. Talking about rules of engagement is one and that is broadly what are the missions that the forces that are being assigned into regional command south - what are those sets of missions that they're being assigned and the authorities to prosecute those. Those will be robust and those will be appropriate for the conditions that they'll be facing in regional command south.

Now, as far as the capabilities of the NATO forces go, one of the very interesting things about the NATO-ISAF expansion, something I didn't talk about in my presentation, is that actually there will be more forces and more capability, more military forces and more military capability with the NATO transition than there are today. So in regional command south when you add up all of these different forces that are going to be operating down there - the British in much greater numbers, the Canadians, the Dutch - you put all of that together, more troops and much more capability. And then as we come around to the east, it will look about the same in the east, it will still be predominately US in the future as it is today. Net result though is more forces on the ground, more aggregate capabilities throughout Afghanistan for international military forces with the NATO-ISAF expansion.

One of the things that you mentioned in your talk was that there are concerns that the American military diminishing its troops is a sign of diminishing US commitment to Afghanistan. But what you are saying is that these concerns are misplaced because in fact the troop presence will be greater with NATO-ISAF expansion.

Two points about that. First of all, within this entire aggregate NATO force as it expands, the United States by far will be the largest troop contributor nation. The US by far will be the largest provider of all of these kinds of capabilities: logistic capabilities, intelligence capabilities, helicopter capabilities. We'll be the largest provider of those. And then second, in aggregate, the entire NATO force lay-down in Afghanistan -- again caveat here: we're not certain, there still have to be political decisions made before it gets to this final phase of expansion across the entire country -- but as we look ahead, our forecast would be then that the total set of NATO capabilities, including those of the US, will be greater than we have on the ground today.

The CFR report by Barnett Rubin also argues that, "More than four years after the initial offensive and the establishment of what is supposed to be a fully sovereign Afghan government, US forces and their contractors still enjoy full 'freedom of action' without any status of forces agreement. The Bush administration's insistence on independence for US forces and impunity for contractors is undermining support for Coalition presence, damaging its sustainability." Do you agree with this?

You know the way that we're operating in Afghanistan, what is our primary mission right now for the coalition forces in Afghanistan? Let's not say our primary mission, but what is our main effort? What are we going to put the most of our intellectual effort, the most of our material resources, the most of our work behind? Our primary, main effort right now is the building of Afghan national security force capability. So in every dimension we're working closely with the army and we're supporting our State Department and the German efforts to build the police. We are fully partnered with them. We do not operate anywhere in Afghanistan, on any missions with only rare exceptions, without the Afghan national army partnered with us.

If you were to look today compared to two years ago at how we operate, it's been transformational. Because we've had success in building the Afghan national army. And the Afghan national police. And we're shifting to now… let's say a partnership of equals is our aspiration and we're hoping over the next several years for the Afghan national security forces to be in the lead with us providing support to them.

So that's a long way of saying that our aspiration is to help the Afghans stand up and build credible security forces, army and police. Which is vital to their own exercise of sovereignty. You know the Afghan people do aspire for their national security forces to be in the lead. They aspire to a day in which years hence they don't have international military forces in Afghanistan. Right now they're very supportive of our presence but our main effort is trying to meet what their own goals are. And that is to have their own capable, credible, respected security forces within the army and the police. Which then puts them in a position where all of these kinds of security force operations are being conducted by Afghans.

Is there any resistance though to a status of forces agreement on the part of the US?

I'm hesitating here because in my time in command this has not even been raised here. But that is a good point. As we talk about transitions ourselves, that is a point we've got to raise with the Afghans.

In an attempt to address the difficult relationship between the governments of Afghanistan and Pakistan, the US has set up a tripartite commission of force commanders and senior officials to develop a coordinated strategy against the Taliban and Al Qaeda. What are the main obstacles to coordinated activity between the Pakistani, Afghan and American military?

Well first of all there are the practical challenges of coordinating and cooperating our activities in what is a very challenging area geographically. Eastern and southeastern and southern Afghanistan. And in the corresponding border areas of Pakistan. So those are physical challenges which you face. Tough terrain, tough areas to operate in.

And then secondly there's just the challenge of having these military forces and trying to solve problems like communications between the forces and coming up with understandings and protocols that allow us to talk. Those are tactical kinds of problems.

Then shifting up to the very highest level there are problems of confidence building. Countries are very much sometimes constrained by challenges of history and geography. And in the case of Afghanistan and Pakistan: a complex relationship and a very positive relationship in the 1980s when Pakistan provided great support to Afghanistan in the jihad against the Soviet Union and harbored huge numbers of Afghan refugees, as they still do today. Then the 1990s and beyond which has led to challenges of mutual confidence between the two sides.

If our starting point is that all sides are dealing with a common enemy and there's a firm recognition by all that there is a common enemy then we should be able to build upon that. Over time our hope is that through interaction and combined efforts to go after this common enemy, with an understanding as well that this is not necessarily a zero sum game, then there will be greater trust. If you look at the win/wins that are out there, it was pointed out to me that during the Taliban years, the trade between Afghanistan and Pakistan was some $20 million. Now it's $1.2 billion a year between Afghanistan and Pakistan. Are there ways on both sides to find communities and groups that see it in their own interest for relations to advance between the two states, beyond the military ties? I think the answer is yes.

In a recent editorial in the Washington Post, Richard Holbrooke has said that Waziristan and North-West Frontier Province in Pakistan have become "a major sanctuary in which the Taliban and al-Qaeda train, recruit, rest and prepare for the next attacks on US, NATO and Afghan forces inside Afghanistan", and that Osama bin Laden and the Taliban leader Mullah Omar are also hiding there. How can the American military ever succeed in its mission in the region if the base of insurgent operations is now located in a country widely touted as a major ally of the US in the war against terrorism?

Well I would not want to talk about matters of intelligence in a public domain. But if you look at Pakistan's actions over the last several years, Pakistan has arrested and killed more Al Qaeda than any other country. And they are a great ally on the war on terror. I talked earlier about what we're working on through the tripartite agreement and through our dialogue with Pakistan and Afghanistan to improve our coordination with them and to improve ways of coming after this problem that all three of us are facing in a common fashion.

Last question. A recent report by the Congressional Research Service estimated that the cost of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan may reach $811 billion. And that to date, 71 per cent of total war costs have been spent in Iraq and 21 per cent in Afghanistan with the remainder being used for enhancing security all over the world. Could you comment on the extent to which budgetary pressures and/or military over-extension may compromise the war in Afghanistan in the long term?

I'm very comfortable with the level of the military effort that we have in Afghanistan. I would say that internationally in terms of reconstruction efforts, I emphasize internationally --not for the US -- that we're going to have to perhaps do more in terms of long term building of the infrastructure. To repair the infrastructure of Afghanistan. The expansion of social services. I'm comfortable that over the next year or two we have an adequate effort but longer term it's going to be essential that the international community maintain a robust level of effort there.

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Postby compared2what? » Fri Jan 30, 2009 10:36 pm

chiggerbit wrote:
I got that it was entirely your description. But it was entirely your description of my behavior, explicitly. Implying or not implying didn't enter into it.


Fine, I get that you mean that I'm the one calling some threads here the pigpen, and the participants the swine. But the next time don't waste all those caps on yelling at me, just call "soooee", ok?


I wasn't yelling at you or yelling at anyone. I was yelling at torture. But you're right. Yelling is often scary and unpleasant (and loud) no matter who's yelling at what. So I apologize for it, sincerely. Also: No more caps, I promise.*

But...(and I am NOT..oops, not grinding an axe here. I should first say. Really, at this point, I'm just hoping that you and I can set a record for most intra-thread volleys over a minor tangent thereby becoming so legendary that future generations of RI posters will have to study us in fifth-grade civics class.

In any event:

But...I didn't mean that you were calling the board a pigpen and the participants swine. I meant that you were saying quite forthrightly that I was treating the board like a pigpen and its participants like swine. (And my own posts like pearls). And you're free to think that, it's fine. But I respectfully dissent. :)

*ON EDIT: restored the mysteriously missing beginning of the post.
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Postby OP ED » Fri Jan 30, 2009 10:45 pm

professorpan wrote:
OP ED wrote:This is the part where Pan ignores you and goes off to argue with HMWs in another thread about Hollywood.


Bite me :twisted:

Sorry I missed the questions posed to me, but I don't always read every message on every thread. Mea culpa. I have a busy life. I'll go back and look for the question and answer it.


hah. well, i got what i wanted anyhow.
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Postby Pazdispenser » Sat Jan 31, 2009 2:06 am

This little piggy, while very butch, would just loooove to wear your pearls, c2w.....:)
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Postby compared2what? » Sat Jan 31, 2009 5:14 am

Pazdispenser wrote:This little piggy, while very butch, would just loooove to wear your pearls, c2w.....:)


Aw, shucks. :oops: :oops: :oops:

Also: Thanks, Paz! I LO...love compliments. Though I think I'm going to have to retire that caps-ital gag now, or at least give it a good long rest.

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Postby cptmarginal » Sat Jan 31, 2009 11:50 am

An awesome sequel to the coy admission that the CIA would continue to secretly imprison "terrorists":

Obama lets CIA keep controversial renditions tool

By Greg Miller | Washington Bureau
January 31, 2009

WASHINGTON — The CIA's secret prisons are being shuttered. Harsh interrogation techniques are off-limits. And Guantanamo Bay will eventually go back to being a wind-swept naval base on the southeastern corner of Cuba.

But even while dismantling these discredited programs, President Barack Obama left an equally controversial counterterrorism tool intact.

Under executive orders issued by Obama last week, the CIA still has authority to carry out what are known as renditions, or the secret abductions and transfers of prisoners to countries that cooperate with the U.S.

Current and former U.S. intelligence officials said the rendition program is poised to play an expanded role because it is the main remaining mechanism—aside from Predator missile strikes—for taking suspected terrorists off the street.

The rendition program became a source of embarrassment for the CIA, and a target of international scorn, as details emerged in recent years of botched captures, mistaken identities and allegations that prisoners were turned over to countries where they were tortured.

The European Parliament condemned renditions as an "illegal instrument used by the United States." Prisoners swept up in the program have sued the CIA as well as a subsidiary of Boeing Corp., which is accused of working with the agency on dozens of rendition flights.

But the Obama administration appears to have determined that the rendition program was one component of the Bush administration's war on terrorism that it could not afford to discard.

The decision underscores the fact that the battle with Al Qaeda and other terrorist groups is far from over and that even if the U.S. is shutting down the prisons, it is not done taking prisoners.

"Obviously you need to preserve some tools, you still have to go after the bad guys," said an Obama administration official, speaking on condition of anonymity when discussing legal reasoning behind the decision. "The legal advisers working on this looked at rendition. It is controversial in some circles and kicked up a big storm in Europe. But if done within certain parameters, it is an acceptable practice."

One provision in one of Obama's orders appears to preserve the CIA's ability to detain and interrogate terrorism suspects as long as they are not held long-term. The little-noticed provision states that the instructions to close the CIA's secret prison sites "do not refer to facilities used only to hold people on a short-term, transitory basis."

Obama's decision to preserve the program did not draw major protests, even among human-rights groups. Leaders of such organizations said that reflects a sense, even among advocates, that the United States and other nations need certain tools to combat terrorism.

"Under limited circumstances, there is a legitimate place" for renditions, said Tom Malinowski, the Washington advocacy director for Human Rights Watch. "What I heard loud and clear from the president's order was that they want to design a system that doesn't result in people being sent to foreign dungeons to be tortured."

In his executive order on lawful interrogations, Obama created a task force to re-examine renditions to make sure that they "do not result in the transfer of individuals to other nations to face torture" or otherwise circumvent human-rights laws and treaties.


You gotta love watching the keyword memes being launched -- "tool"

"What I heard loud and clear from the president's order was that they want to design a system that doesn't result in people being sent to foreign dungeons to be tortured."

They've got their work cut out for them :lol:
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Postby crikkett » Sat Jan 31, 2009 12:13 pm

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Postby Col. Quisp » Sat Jan 31, 2009 1:34 pm

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Postby tazmic » Mon Feb 02, 2009 10:17 am

Obama lets CIA keep controversial renditions tool

"Current and former U.S. intelligence officials said the rendition program is poised to play an expanded role because
it is the main remaining mechanism—aside from Predator missile strikes—for taking suspected terrorists off the street."

"Under executive orders issued by Obama last week, the CIA still has authority to carry out what are known as renditions,
or the secret abductions and transfers of prisoners to countries that cooperate with the U.S."
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Postby Cosmic Cowbell » Mon Feb 02, 2009 12:29 pm

Obama has begun discreet talks with Iran, Syria
Yesterday, 02:54 am
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US President Barack Obama has already used experts within the last few months to hold high-level but discreet talks with both Iran and Syria, organizers of the meetings told AFP. Officially, Obama's overtures toward both Tehran and Damascus have remained limited. In an interview broadcast Monday, Obama said the United States would offer arch-foe Iran an extended hand of diplomacy if the Islamic Republic's leaders "unclenched their fist."

Meanwhile, his secretary of state Hillary Clinton warned that the Israeli-Syrian track of the Middle East peace negotiations took a back seat to the Israeli-Palestinian track, especially because of the recent war in Gaza. However, even before winning the November 4 election, Obama unofficially used what experts call "track two" discussions to approach America's two foes in the region. Nuclear non-proliferation experts had several "very, very high-level" contacts in the last few months with Iranian leaders, said Jeffrey Boutwell, executive director for the US branch of the Pugwash group, an international organization of scientists which won the Nobel Peace Prize in 1995.

Former defense secretary William Perry, who served in Obama's election campaign, participated in some of these meetings focused on "a wide range of issues that separate Iran from the West: not only their nuclear program but the Middle East peace process, Persian Gulf issues," Boutwell told AFP. The Pugwash official declined to name the other participants, except to say they had considerable clout.

"We had very, very senior figures from both the Iranian policy establishment and from the US; people who have very close, good access to the top leaders in both countries," Boutwell said.

"The Cable," the blog of the specialist magazine Foreign Policy, said Iran's permanent representative to the International Atomic Energy Agency (AIEA), Ali Asghar Soltanieh, was "among the Iranian officials who attended the Pugwash dialogues."

Meanwhile, a group of experts under the auspices of the think tank, the United States Institute of Peace (USIP), announced Thursday that they met for more than two hours in Damascus with Syrian President Bashar al-Assad. The experts included Ellen Laipson, a former White House adviser under president Bill Clinton and a member of the Obama transition team. Assad struck positive notes, the participants in the meeting said during a press conference at the Washington headquarters of USIP, a bipartisan think tank financed by Congress.

"His phrasing was 70 percent of our interests are potentially shared and 30 percent are not. And he said: let's work on the 70 percent," said Bruce Jentleson, who was the disarmament advisor to former vice president Al Gore.

The Syrian president himself revealed on Monday that "dialogue started some weeks ago in a serious manner through personalities who are close to the administration and who were dispatched by the administration." The United States accuses Syria of supporting "terrorist" groups such as Hezbollah and Hamas, of destabilizing Lebanon and of allowing armed men to transit its territory to fight US-led forces in Iraq.

Washington and Tehran, which have had no diplomatic ties for nearly 30 years, differ sharply over Iran's nuclear program. Washington charges the program is a covert military one, but Tehran says it is for nuclear energy.

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Postby chiggerbit » Mon Feb 02, 2009 1:45 pm

US President Barack Obama has already used experts within the last few months to hold high-level but discreet talks with both Iran and Syria


Doesn't that begin to look a bit like Reagan's October Surprise? While I find Obama's outreach to Iran and Syria very positive, these "high-level but discreet talks" before a president-elect (in this case) or a candidate (in Reagan's case) becomes president makes me a bit uncomfortable. Of course, in Reagan's case, the "talks" were for the purpose of influencing an election. But still, it makes me a bit uncomfortable to think that Sarah Palin may be doing the same thing in 8 years.
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Postby vigilant » Mon Feb 02, 2009 2:45 pm

After thinking about Obamas union reform some more and doing some reading it appears to be as bad as I thought it was.

The net effect from what I can see is this:

1. No more votes by secret ballot. All employees votes will be on paper and will not be private.

2. A union's ability and power to negotiate has been completely taken away. Dragging out negotiations for extended periods is beneficial to the union in most cases and bad for large corporations. If a union can keep the corporation in pain for extended periods the chances of capitulation by the corporation become much better. By trying to make it appear the opposite, as if it is the corporation that typically benefits from and initiates extended negotiations and related activities, the right to negotiate for extended periods and refuse unacceptable contracts has been taken away from the unions. If the unions get ready to host a long drawn out refusal to accept a corporation's terms, the government can step in and "protect" the union from the corporation. That is laughable as hell too.

Because in reality, the government is dictating to the union, which destroys their ability to host a long festival of discontent to break down the corporation. I'm assuming during these two year intervals of government dictation they will also be claiming that "negotiations are continuing and a solution is being sought". That way they can force the union to do what its told and the system and structure of bargaining is destroyed.

I am wondering what this means for union members that try to go on strike? If union members go on strike will they be in violation of the government 'seizure period' and be considered 'law breakers' and arrested and sent to jail? I'm thinking its possible...guess time will tell.
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