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Postby Sweejak » Mon Sep 08, 2008 7:12 pm

I know, cheap fake ermine-ish coat. I guess Dr. Bill didn't get one because he only thinks he is part of the elite.

I didn't agree with that guys optimistic take on the ending, and he sure steered clear of occult stuff, but to his credit he did at least point it out.
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Postby compared2what? » Tue Sep 09, 2008 2:10 am

I don't really understand the symbolism of heraldry, but that doesn't stop me from reading about it, because I find stuff like that fascinating. Anyway. The ermine is associated with both literal purity (ie -- chastity or virginity) and figurative purity (ie -- a devotion so devout it's impenetrable by stuff like...well, life. It kinda transcends worldly life.) Or at least it was in England during the Renaissance. There's this writer, Henry Peacham, about whom I know almost nothing other than that he's known mostly for having written a freqently referenced and quite adorable courtesy book called The Compleat Gentleman (which has some stuff on heraldic devices). Anyway. Him. He also did a later, kind of strange illustrated book of poems called Minerva Britannica that's all about emblems, mottos, and the greatness of Britain. The ermine is the subject of Emblem 75, "Cui candor morte redemptus" -- which Wiki translates as "Purity bought with his own death." It's been a long damn time since I forgot Latin, and anyway, the Latin I forgot was classical, which this isn't. But it seems to me that its capable of another translation, that would connote something more like "whose purity is valued by death" or "whose purity brings death" or "whose purity finds its value in death." Although literally it would just be "whose purity is bought by death." And I'm probably wrong about the translation, anyway. However, it's very EWS, whatever way you look at it.

I also associate ermine more specifically with royalty than nobility, though it definitely signifies both. Ermine is very House of Lords. So that could just be me, and owing to a childhood interest in the Tudors and Stuarts. There's a portrait of Elizabeth I from when she was being all Virgin Queen-y that's called he Ermine Portrait. Because it shows her with an ermine. Here it is. See?

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Postby Col. Quisp » Tue Sep 09, 2008 12:07 pm

Interesting!! So, when the little girl says Bill will need a coat lined with ermine, she seems to be predicting that he will only attain his "purification" by death -- but the masked woman (I'm still not convinced it's Mandy) dies FOR him, like Christ died for us (according to the Bible). Christianity is basically a derivative of sun worship, so it makes sense that there's a person there wearing a sun mask. But there's also a moon mask (my favorite one!)

Queen Elizabeth had red hair and was the daughter of a witch (Ann Boleyn).
It is falsely rumored that she had all the mirrors removed from the palace as she got older.

She was superstitious and believed in black magic. Once when a doll likeness of her was found in a field pierced through the heart with a pin, she summoned occultist John Dee to neutralize the death spell it was believed had been cast upon her.

In those days, the nobility loved to have a good time (Szandor says that Ovid had a ""good time" before his exile). They "enjoyed themselves" (people are always saying "I hope you're enjoying yourself" in EWS) at banquets....

I don't know if any of this means anything, and I must leave now.
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Postby compared2what? » Tue Sep 09, 2008 2:05 pm

Anne Boleyn was not a witch. However, John Dee was sort of attached to the court for part of Elizabeth's reign. Then he fell out of favor with the world in general, and was rejected by almost everyone, including her.

But in general, he was an Elizabethan figure. And if it is a reference to the occult in the Elizabethan era (which I'm not sure it specifically is -- it is to me, but that might just be me), that might be meaningful. Because in continental Europe, the super-duper-esoteric alchemical/Christian-Kabbalah part of the Renaissance was mostly earlier than the Elizabethan era; arguably, it started in the late middle ages in some places, actually. So it would be a way of signaling a specific reference to Anglo-ness, if that's what it is. Which I'm not at all sure it is.

Another reading of Leelee's line would be that she's telling him that his purity, which sort of equals his ignorance in his case, is going to be lethal where he's going. More or less a cryptic way of saying: "Oh, man, you're fucked. Have fun!"
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Ermine = Royalty

Postby elpuma » Sun Sep 21, 2008 2:27 pm

Perhaps the ermine is a reference to royalty.
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Postby Col. Quisp » Tue Oct 14, 2008 11:30 pm

New blog post here:
http://wrongwaywizard.blogspot.com/2008/10/bore-me-again-o-wrong-way-wizard.html

has some pretty good obervations!! Worth your time!
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Postby Penguin » Thu Nov 20, 2008 7:14 am

Col. Quisp wrote:New blog post here:
http://wrongwaywizard.blogspot.com/2008/10/bore-me-again-o-wrong-way-wizard.html

has some pretty good obervations!! Worth your time!


Shit you not man! Thanks!

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Postby annie aronburg » Sun Feb 01, 2009 1:54 am

"O Oysters," said the Carpenter,
"You've had a pleasant run!
Shall we be trotting home again?'
But answer came there none--
And this was scarcely odd, because
They'd eaten every one.
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Postby Col. Quisp » Sun Feb 01, 2009 2:52 am

How weird. I read your post and followed the link at just around a quarter to two in the morning.

A lot of nerds like Stanley Kubrick think the CIA has a stable of brainwashed sex slaves for old politicians to f*ck. This seems like bullshit when you're googling "Project Monarch" at two in the morning, but when you see one doing her little marionette dance in the wild, you will doff your tinfoil hat in awe.


- caption of the photo in Annie Aronburg's link, emphasis added

Just one of thousands of synchronicities in my life. Thanks for adding to the pile!

Another one came from Compared 2 What last night. I had just read an email from a colleague at USC, and then C2W mentioned USC in a post in the Lounge's Free Association thread, the post was about Frederick Exley. Ok, I guess that's stretching the synchro bit a little...but it kinda made me take note since the email came out of the blue, and was a potential new career move for me. Like the universe is saying, "Here's your door, go through."

Well, it's just about 2 in the morning, whaddya want...coherence?

btw, EWS was playing on Encore recently -- not sure if they're still running it

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Postby Col. Quisp » Wed Feb 04, 2009 11:37 am

Another interesting post from the Wrong Way Wizard's blog (excerpted here):

3) The events of 9/11 and a Dead Hoarse

I've hollered aimlessly about Kubrick's Eyes Wide Shut nigh on to heaven and to answer the query of that Friendly Botch of Nature so many love, Bill Thuther, I will do so again. This is new material, not found in my Magnum Opus The Emperor's New Clothes (found below under the title Bore Me Again, O Wrong Way Wizard!). Here, I confine myself to the very first moments of EWS, which I think is a codex of the events of 9/11.

a) Alice drops her dress. I will here refer readers to the superb early, early work of Jake Kotze. Yeah, Da WWWiz was Kotze when Kotze wasn't cool. Anyhoo, Jake edifies that Building 7 represents The Virgin Mary or Isis and that the Twin Towers are the pillars of Boaz and Joachim, seen in the ubiquitous Tarot image. The opening shot of EWS gives us the same image, but also that of Isis dropping her final (7th) veil. I humbly submit these illustrations signify the events of 9/11, 2001. EWS was released in 1999.

b) The very next image shows Bill standing in the same room and on the same spot as Alice in scene a. There are chilling differences. The lamp and sole light source from scene a is GONE. Beneath Bill's feet there is a an area rug that was not in scene a. I also submit that this image poses the aftermath of 9/11. As in the cover-up and as the blanket of dust that sugared Manhattan that bright September morn.

c) To sum up, we have the typically Kubrickian pointlessness of the brief confab with the babysitter and the squirt before Bill and Alice glide away to Ziegler's Christmas Ball. This scene, scene c for our purposes here, is critical to the codex of scenes a and b. Helena asks to stay up past nine to watch the Nutcracker, which is about one hour in length. Scene c is a fulsome minefield of evil punnery. Helena will go to bed by Ten, but Ma and Pa will stay out past eleven, perhaps til one a.m. Bill and Alice are headed into the world of death, although they don't know it. The veils of Isis fall only to the immortal, and expose the abyss of Da'ath (Death) which is the forbidden eleventh house on the Qabalistic Tree of Life. Please note that to inscribe the outer boundary of the Tree of Life in 2d, one will discover a shape similar to the hexagonal casket discussed above.

Past (beyond) eleven are the three graduated houses of pure illumination. Because one must pass through a cosmic hymen to reach these distant realms of light, the Virgin, who is signified by the number 7, must be cracked. The seventh house of the Tree of Life is Netzach (EQ = Nut Sack). So the real time events of 9/11 can be transposed into the cracking of the Virgin (building) 7. The Twin Towers are the cruel arms of the nut-cracker itself.

If you need more, chew on this. The 23rd hour is 11 P.M. In scene a of EWS. Alice stands between two courses of pillars and not between single pillars as in the Tarot. Some wonky English Notariqon and all becomes clear (or at least clear-ish). W is the 23 letter of the alphabet. Taken as one term TC is 20th and 3rd which gives another 23. So WTC could be expressed as 23:23 and therefore as 11:11, the numbers signified by the two courses of pillars. The 11:11 phenomenon is well known to latter day occult researchers. Da WWWiz would translate 11:11 as follows: Yer dead, duder, and oh, by the way, yer dead. Onward to Mid-Night.

Let's ride PKD's Valis Loop once more. According to Phil, prior to Watergate, the Alchemists had total control. Through the practice of eldritch rituals not at all to the taste of Joe Six-Pack, these Mages forestall the second coming of Christ forever. The New Age never arrives. Instead, the old age is repackaged, renamed and vigorously remarketed and the Land of the Dead lives on. On Watergate, the levee sprung a leak. This fizzle in the dyke was the source of Phil's revelation of anamnesia, but not much else. PKD's vision didn't change anything. We hover in a bubble of time, just as always. A flashing swath of plasma in the arc of a diver. Going, going, gone. Christ will never come. We are truly lost.


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Here's the photo of Alice (who could be viewed as Netzach or Babalon) between the 11:11 pillars:
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Postby Pineapple » Tue Mar 03, 2009 7:44 pm

I’ve been a regular reader of RI for about a year and a half, but never posted on here before. This is just a transcription (with post-additions) of the notes I took while watching EWS the last time. It’s a hodgepodge of my interpretations, personal associations and reflections, and symbological analyses.

- Unless she put on panties during some off-camera moment, Alice apparently goes commando to the party if we are to believe the first shot of the film. (The implication here is that she must be ready for sex at all times since that is her “purpose” as a slave.)

- Helena wants to stay up to watch The Nutcracker on TV. I don’t know about anyone else, but I find nutcrackers a bit scary. After the last time I saw The Nutcracker (about 6 years ago), I had a nightmare about these nutcracker ghosts chasing me through a haunted house. I’m sure that’s not what Kubrick had in mind, but that’s what I associate it with.

- Alice: “Why do you think Ziegler invites us to these things every year?” […] Bill: “This is what you get for making house calls.” Of course, as someone else has mentioned, Bill is there to be the “party doctor” to help out in case of drug overdoses and other ailments that the elite prefer not to go to the emergency room for. They’re not there because they’re social equals, but because they (or Bill anyway) provide a service. Also, the phrase “making house calls” has a double meaning and could also refer to prostitution.

- Right after that last line of Bill’s, the shot cuts to Nick Nightingale gazing at Bill. This is an interesting avenue which I don’t think anyone has mentioned yet in this post or anywhere else. Maybe I have sensitive gaydar, but I picked up on something more than friendly between Nick and Bill the first time I watched EWS. The way Bill’s eyes light up when he sees him is similar to the way Alice’s eyes light up when she catches a glimpse of Bill across the room later in the scene when she is dancing with the Hungarian. I hypothesize that in med school, Bill and Nick had some sort of sexual tryst that ended whenever Nick dropped out (and apparently disappeared to Seattle.) I believe this explains the otherwise somewhat odd dialogue that follows when Bill goes over to talk to him. Bill leans in close while talking to Nick, and then puts his arm around him as they walk.
Bill: “I see you’ve become a pianist.” (“Pianist” sounds a little like “penis”, and come to think of it, “Nick” sounds a bit like “Dick”.)
Nick: “Yes, my friends call me that.” And which “friends” would those be? Does he mean that his friends call him a pianist, but his handlers know how he really makes his money and call him something else? (Ziegler, in the red pool table scene, calls Nick “that little cocksucker.”) Or does he mean that his friends (meaning his handlers or those “in the know”) call him “the pianist” because he’s talented at music and also at -other- things?
[…]
Bill: “I never did understand why you walked away.” From med school, or from Bill? He sounds more like a disappointed lover than anything else.
Nick: “It’s a nice feeling; I do it a lot.” Assuming that my proposed scenario of the relationship between Nick and Bill is true, then this line means that he often walks away from people he’s had sex with. Is this because he has a hankering for casual sex while he’s away from home for long stretches, or because he’s being used?
Bill: “Cheers.” A seemingly odd thing to say considering the subtext of what they said before. Obviously, Bill has his “eyes wide shut” at this point and Nick’s double entendres are going over his head.
(They clink glasses together, and a man interrupts them.)
Unknown guy: “Excuse me, Nick, I need you a minute.” For what exactly?
Nick: “Be right with you.” (Unknown guy disappears.) “Listen, I gotta go do something…” It seems like Nick already knows what he has to go do, even though his only ostensible function at the party is to play the piano. Obviously there’s more to his job description than meets the eye.

- Someone in this post said that Mandy is wearing a huge diamond ring. In fact, it looks like she is wearing a huge PEARL ring. Since this is the only thing she’s wearing (I think) in this scene, it makes it especially significant (like the blue diamond necklace in the nude drawing scene in Titanic.) There is also a part where Bill is walking down the street and passes a store with a sign that says “Pearl Co.” I looked up “Pearl” in The Penguin Dictionary of Symbols and here are the relevant parts:

“The consistency of meanings applied to this lunar symbol, linked to water and woman, is as remarkable as their universality, as the varied writings of Mircea Eliade and other ethnologists go to show.
“Born of Water or the Moon and found in a shell, the pearl stands for the yin principle and is the essential symbol of ‘a femininity wholly creative…The sexual symbolism of shells communicates to them all the forces involved in it; and finally the similarity between the pearl and the foetus endows it with generative and obstetrical properties…All the magic, medicinal, gynaecological and funereal properties of pearls spring from this triple symbolism of water, moon and woman.’ […]
“In the East, it is their fructifying, aphrodisiacal and talismanic properties which predominate. If pearls were arranged in a grave they ‘regenerated the dead by placing them within a cosmic rhythm which is supremely cyclic, involving (in the pattern of the moon’s phases) birth, life, death, rebirth.’ […]
“Gnostic Christianity both enriched and made pearl symbolism more complex, while developing it along its original lines. […] In the famous Gnostic ‘gospel’, the Acts of Thomas, search for the pearl symbolizes the spiritual drama of Man’s fall and redemption. It finally came to mean the mystery of the transcendent made amenable to sense-perception, the manifestation of God in the Cosmos. […]
“Pearls are rare, pure and precious. They are pure because they are regarded as being flawless and white, and this is unaffected by their being dredged from the muddy depths or taken from a clumsy shell. […] Diadochus of Photike taught that, ‘by the pearl of great price’ which the merchant bought by selling ‘all that he had’, is meant the light of the intellect within the heart, the beatific vision. Here is a hint of the pearl being ‘hidden’ in its shell, like truth and knowledge, which require effort for their attainment. […] Once this ‘pearl of great price’ has been acquired, it should not be ‘cast before swine’ (Matthew 7:6): knowledge should not be broadcast heedlessly to those unworthy of it. Pearls are symbols of speech concealed within the shell of words.
[…] “In many parts of the world a more down-to-earth view is taken of the oyster which holds the pearl – it is compared with the female sexual organs.
[…] “A symbol of similar order was provided by pearls strung on a thread, becoming a rosary or sutratma, the linked series of worlds penetrated and linked by the Universal Spirit, atman. Thus pearl necklaces symbolize the cosmic unity of the manifold, the integration of the scattered elements of a being in the oneness of personality and the establishment of a spiritual relationship between two or several individuals. The broken necklace is, however, the image of disintegration of personality, universal upheaval and the destruction of oneness.”
“The twelfth-century Persian poet Sa’di repeats in his Bustan the legend of the growth of the pearl from a drop of rain falling into the shell, which rises to the surface of the sea and opens to receive it. This drop of water, celestial semen, becomes the pearl. This legend has its origins in Persian folklore and is a commonplace of literature. […]
“In Persian literature and folklore, the unflawed pearl is regarded as a symbol of virginity […] The phrase ‘to pierce the pearl of virginity’ is used to mean the consummation of a marriage.
[…] “In the East, and especially in Persia, the pearl generally speaking is endowed with a nobility that derives from its sacrality. This is why it decorates the crowns of kings. Traces of this same characteristic are to be found in pearl jewellery, especially ear-rings decorated with rare and precious pearls which cast a shadow of this holy nobility upon their wearers.
“In oriental dream symbolism, pearls preserve these special characteristics and are generally interpreted as children or else as wives and concubines. In addition they may be regarded as symbols of knowledge and wealth.”

A “pearl necklace” can also be a sexual term. From Wikipedia: “A pearl necklace is a slang term referring to a sexual act in which a man ejaculates semen on or near the neck, chest or breast of another person. It can be done following mammary intercourse or oral sex. The result is said by some to look like a necklace of pearls because of the stringy translucent white clumps of semen that are deposited there.” It can be done by just one man, but when I hear the term “pearl necklace” I generally think of a gangbang where a
bunch of men are standing around a woman and all ejaculating on her (like Mandy’s last night alive?)

Also, if you consider each of the women/slaves in the circle around the “grand master” guy at Somerton as like a pearl, they form a kind of pearl necklace. The ritualized “kisses” link them together in a spiritual bonding, albeit of a dark and sinister nature. The orgy itself is ritualized as well: it’s not about sex, but about power and binding their slaves’ wills to their own through dark sex magic. Since Mandy wears a single pearl on her finger, it could stand for “disintegration of personality […] and the destruction of oneness”. Perhaps, her mental compartmentalization and escapist drug use that goes along with being an elite sex slave. When we see her outside the ceremonial context, she seems frightened and weak (or dead, as she is seen later), but at the masked orgy, she actually wields a considerable amount of power. Just listen to her voice when she intervenes on Bill’s behalf: “Stop! Let…him…GO.” She sounds almost regal as she stands on high above the proceedings.

-This is another weird personal connection to EWS. I wrote a short story about an 11-year-old girl whose journalist mother is suicided by the PTB. The girl ends up in an orphanage where she is brutalized and ritually abused. The girl’s name? Mandy. And interestingly, in the story her name plays a large role. Her mother was the only person who called her Mandy, and everyone else called her Amanda. The evil headmistress of the orphanage calls her Mandy even though Mandy tells her not to, trying to usurp the psychological void left by Mandy’s mother’s death and use it to control her. She says it in much the same way Bill says “Mandy” over and over to get her to open her eyes. The story was fueled by things I’d read on RI and elsewhere, but I hadn’t watched or read anything about EWS except maybe a short review.

- If one assumes that Alice is also a slave, her story about her encounter with the naval officer (psy-ops?) in Cape Cod (Kennedy connection) makes a lot more sense. First of all, Alice doesn’t seem like she actually was attracted to the officer; the way she talks about him, it’s more like she was petrified. This is underlined by the creepy, ethereal music that plays during this part. The naval officer seems to have some psychic hold on her, because after “just a glance”, she “could hardly move.” Not in a good way, but like she was being controlled; not sexual, but scary. She says that while she and Bill were making love, and then were talking about their daughter and making future plans, “at no time was HE ever out of my mind.” The way she phrases it, it sounds like he is invading her mind rather than that she just can’t stop thinking about him; he is literally in her mind. This statement also shows her mental compartmentalization, how she can be doing one thing but simultaneously doing something completely antithetical. She says that if the naval officer had told her to, she would have “give[n] up everything…you, Helena, my whole fucking future.” Apparently, this is not really a wish of her own, because “at the same time [Bill] was dearer to [her] than ever”. I get the sense that she was clinging to him in a way, wanting him to save her. Her love was “both tender and sad” because she really does love Bill, but her experiences with love and sex have been skewed and she is still enslaved to a power higher than her husband. Deep down, she wanted him to know what was happening, which is why she finally tells him, in a moment of marijuana-induced honesty. (Although, she still doesn’t tell him the whole story, perhaps because in her fragmented mind, this is the only conscious recollection she has of the events.) Her facial expression becomes weird and cold, and she next speaks with a strange smile: “I barely slept that night.” I don’t think she was necessarily daydreaming about Mr. Navy, but rather possibly being programmed remotely or something similar. In the morning she doesn’t know whether she is “afraid that he had left, or that he might still be there.” The manifest meaning of this is that she is afraid he might have left and she will never see him again, but also that he might still be there and she might have to decide whether or not to cheat on her husband (which in this case would not really be her decision at all.) The latent meaning is just simply that she is afraid of this naval officer. This is why she is “relieved” when she realizes that he has already left. (Does she know he has left psychically? Somehow she just knows he isn’t there anymore.)

- Someone mentioned how in the Nathanson’s apartment, everything is symmetrical. I checked, and it’s true. Everything is symmetrically oriented towards one end of the apartment, even in the bedroom.

- The scene with Marion makes even less sense, unless you assume that she is also a slave. She is older than the typical slave (who are usually killed at age 30 in snuff films, if you believe the stories) but perhaps she was allowed to live because of her father’s wealth. You have to wonder why she is getting married so old (she must be about 40 or so) and maybe it’s because her father was her handler and is passing along ownership of her to Carl. There is obviously something very frightening about Carl, since Marion seems deathly afraid of going with him to Michigan (a center of RA according to Cathy O’Brien.) Also, the way she kisses him is very different from how she kisses Bill; she tries to french Bill, whereas she barely pecks Carl. Something kind of funny that I noticed is that as Bill is talking to Marion and Carl, he keeps putting his hand to his mouth as if he’s trying to wipe the kiss off. As the scene ends and fades to the next one, it shows Marion’s terrified-looking face, which turns ghostly/skeletal as it fades out.

- The use of Europeans in EWS has been commented on already, but I have a possible explanation, besides the fact that they were more readily accessible to Kubrick, working in England, than real Americans. I’m sure he could have gotten Americans if he had wanted to, but maybe he wanted to make the point that white people are actually the “foreigners” in this country. White skin is found naturally in Europe, not in America – Europeans are the invaders.

- In the Sonata café, the lights on the tables are reminiscent of a crystal ball…or perhaps even a pearl?

- Nick: “You’re married?” With a hint of dismay in his voice.
Bill: “Yes. Nine years.” One year after the last time he and Nick saw each other?
Nick: “Any kids?” He seems to brighten up at the thought of children, after the thought that Bill is married. Is Nick a pedo?
[…] Nick: “You gotta go where the work is.” I find it hard to believe that he couldn’t find work anywhere but Manhattan. Perhaps it’s because he’s there on a special assignment (i.e. slave duties.) And why would Ziegler hire him, if he weren’t involved in some way? It could be that Nick performs as a gay sex slave, or that he bought some child sex videos from someone in the circle and ended up being asked to play the piano for them. Who knows.
[…] Nick: “I play blindfolded.” Repeated twice. Eyes wide shut?
[…] Nick: “I have seen some things in my life,” (like what?) “but never, never anything like this.” Is that fear in his eyes? “And never such women.” Phone rings. “Excuse me…Yes, sir.” At this part, Nick has a fairly normal look on his face when he answers the phone, but as soon as the person on the other end begins talking, he becomes very mechanical, as if that person used the “code word” to trigger his slave persona. His face goes neutral, devoid of any emotion, and his eyes dart around rapidly. He’s so in another world that he messes up when he tries to write and doesn’t seem to think to use his other hand to hold the napkin in place while holding the phone with his shoulder (what I think any person in a normal frame of mind would automatically do.) Bill reaches over and holds it for him. I’m not sure why he needs to write down the word “Fidelio” instead of just remembering it. He apparently already knows where Somerton is (“Yes, I know where that is.”) Perhaps he is unable to recall information transmitted to him in his MC-state when he is in his “regular Nick” state, unless he writes it down.

- “Nightingale” In the Disney version of Cinderella (another story of a young girl forced to live as a slave by her evil parents), the titular character sings a song called “Sing, Sweet Nightingale” (at least I assume that’s the name of the song, since those are virtually the only three words in it.) During the song, Cinderella is scrubbing the floors as bubbles swirl around her, reflecting her image in multiple copies (like the many fragments of her abused and shattered personality?) Just another association of mine.

- When Bill goes to the costume shop, Milich at first just brings him inside. After Bill asks for “a cloak with a hood and a mask”, Milich takes him to the back room, possibly representing the illicit (especially when you consider what, or rather who, they find back there.)

-When Bill arrives at Somerton, he is driven from the gate to the house in a red SUV.

- Upstairs at the orgy, at the end of the segment where Bill is walking around by himself, he’s standing in one of the rooms and a man and woman come up behind him. The man motions for the woman to go over to Bill. Is she Gayle, the model from Ziegler’s party?

- When Alice tells Bill about her dream after he gets home, she mentions the naval officer. She says, “He stared at me.” She looks intensely uncomfortable at the thought of his stare.

- Incidentally and fwiw, I watched this once with the French soundtrack going, and I have to say they did a remarkably good job in the translation and in matching the pace of the dialogue with the actors’ mouth movements. It often looked like they were really saying what they were supposed to be saying.
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Postby Penguin » Tue Mar 03, 2009 7:59 pm

Thanks for the comments..Ive been looking here for any new takes on Kubricks..
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Postby Col. Quisp » Wed Mar 04, 2009 2:46 am

Welcome Pineapple! I haven't had time to read thru this all the way but I like what I've read so far!

It's my favorite thread here!!

I hadn't picked up on the Nick/Bill affair before, even though they are walking like Siamese twins....i just thought of them as yin/yang opposites...mirror images....
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Postby Penguin » Wed Mar 04, 2009 5:19 am

I caught that too but never commented on it here for some reason.
Id agree with them having a connection like that...
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