Fox Network Dollhouse Show - Hip MKULTRA

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Postby AhabsOtherLeg » Wed Feb 18, 2009 10:28 pm

Penguin wrote:
What is real
Baby don't hurt me
Don't hurt me
no more
Baby don't hurt me
Don't hurt me
no more...

Haddaway, What is love


Did you just cite Haddaway?!

I hereby invoke the Whigfield Rule.

Whigfield said: "It's Saturday night, and I like the way you move - love you baby," - and she said much else besides, let it be known.

Whereas Bernie Taupin, in his own earlier judgement, said: "Saturday night's alright for fighting... Saturday night's alright." He then repeated alright. Until it amounted to thrice.

The widespread not-wholly-consensual human research undertaken by Professors Haddaway, Adamski, DJ Dominator, et al. during the Nineteen Nineties has since been found to be nothing more than a barefaced excuse for young men to wear frilly pink shirts and blow on whistles while wearing surgeon's gloves in public, as it's always been. Or something.

No illegal drugs were found to be involved. Nor was the involvement of the security forces, in following and beating up wholly innocent people, found to be illegal or noteworthy. :D

I have no desire to be 2 Unlimited in my ruling, but I hope it can be universally agreed among legal persons that the allowing of dancing is a road to the devil.

"You allow dancing?!"

"'Twas secret!!!"
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Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Wed Feb 18, 2009 11:49 pm

"CAROLINE"?!

The programmed female is named "Caroline?"
This plus the movie, 'Coraline.'

The spook media was ready for Caroline Kennedy but then she withdrew from a Senate run leaving all the negative framing media in place with her name on it. Having a new Kennedy in the news cycle is a BIG problem for CIA media.

The 2/16/09 issue of CIA-Time Magazine features 'Dollhouse' and on page 53 we can read-
"Is Echo herself, or Caroline, or the sum of her parts?"


Even the casting of the actress playing "Caroline/Echo" is subliminal negative framing-
"Dushku, memorable as the bad girl Faith in Buffy, isn't much of a chameleon."


"Bad girl?" Got it.
Wait. "CHAMELEON?"

Of course. With CIA heavily recruiting women it is imperative to make decoys of the women victims of MKULTRA.

Yes, "Chameleon" is in the title of a 1994 whistleblowing book by a REAL woman who was a CIA victim of mind control experiments, Dorothy Proctor-
http://www.ctka.net/pr300-mkultra.html
Mind-Control Part 1:
Canadian and U.S. Survivors Seek Justice

.....
After publishing Chameleon: The Life of Dorothy Proctor in 1994, this articulate and determined woman launched a complaint with the Corrections Service of Canada (CSC), saying she suffered permanent brain damage and hallucinations haunting her to the present day.


This TV show is a CIA product all the way.
They are both recruiting and hiding past crimes.
CIA runs mainstream media since WWII:
news rooms, movies/TV, publishing
...
Disney is CIA for kidz!
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Postby OP ED » Thu Feb 19, 2009 1:09 am

Hugh Manatee Wins wrote:"CAROLINE"?!

The programmed female is named "Caroline?"
This plus the movie, 'Coraline.'

The spook media was ready for Caroline Kennedy but then she withdrew from a Senate run leaving all the negative framing media in place with her name on it. Having a new Kennedy in the news cycle is a BIG problem for CIA media.


what a load of nonsense. i've had a personal discussion with Neil Gaiman (creator) about the underlying messages inherent in the naming of the character(s) in Coraline, which are somewhat more esoteric than "keyword hijacking" to steal airtime from the fucking kennedys. incidentally both the novella and esp the movie make rather a big deal out of the minor characters confusing her name and calling her "caroline".

but of course Hugh doesn't actually read books or watch movies in order to know anything about them.

nonsense.

nonsense.

nonsense.

i take you less seriously everyday, Hugh, are you perhaps part of a CIA plot to discredit the idea that they manipulate mainstream media?

just kidding, sort of.
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Postby barracuda » Thu Feb 19, 2009 1:16 am

Kneel, Gay Man is clearly a homonymic keyword highjacking of the details of Obama's bisexuality.
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Postby LilyPatToo » Thu Feb 19, 2009 2:05 am

beeline said:
Perhaps I came off too harsh. I'm going to give Dollhouse several more chances. I've been a fan of Wheadon since Buffy, and I quite liked Firefly. So I'm willing to invest the next few Friday nights on Dollhouse. I guess my main problem with Dollhouse pilot episode was the stilted dialouge (Echo pointing at the lab table and saying, "She hurts," came off horrible). But that mainly happened when Echo was not 'in character,' so I'm thinking now, well, maybe she's supposed to sound stupid--being an empty vessel and all. We'll see.


That was my take on that scene--that she'd been reduced to a child-like or simple-minded state. But I think the writers could have set it up so that it was more apparent than it was. I do recall (I think--maybe need to watch it again) Echo acting the same way earlier.

I too will give it more chances to hook me, though my own problems with it are more along the lines of Why make them volunteers? Why are they ALWAYS volunteers (in My Own Worst Enemy and the Bourne movies too)? My best guess is to avoid the nasty ethical issues raised by the Real World mind control programs...and of course I'd dearly love to see that bit of hidden history fully explored in prime time.

Thank you for the insight on the use of "the most dangerous game," marmot. That would make sense, since practically nothing would be as traumatizing as being hunted by armed sociopaths. Been a while since I've read O'Brien's books--they're really upsetting/disorienting and I never know what to believe--well, except for the bits similar to things I remember myself. Sue Ford's experiences were actually a lot closer to mine over all, but on a much higher level. I don't think she mentioned "the game" but it's been years since I read her book, too.

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Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Thu Feb 19, 2009 2:14 am

OP ED wrote:
Hugh Manatee Wins wrote:"CAROLINE"?!

The programmed female is named "Caroline?"
This plus the movie, 'Coraline.'

The spook media was ready for Caroline Kennedy but then she withdrew from a Senate run leaving all the negative framing media in place with her name on it. Having a new Kennedy in the news cycle is a BIG problem for CIA media.


what a load of nonsense. i've had a personal discussion with Neil Gaiman (creator)

Hey- you didn't comment on that op psyops called 'Dollhouse.'
Please read this and then comment on 'Dollhouse'-
http://www.ctka.net/pr300-mkultra.html

"Oh, Neil says..." As if that means sugar and light.
Hey, Spielberg has explanations for things, too. So?

And did you have a "personal coversation"with GENERAL ELECTRIC, one of the world's biggest weapons makers, since Focus Features is their 'art film' division giving us 'Coraline?'

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Focus_Features

THAT'S who makes sure a project is chosen, financed, promoted, and distributed - not good old Neil.


I'm sick of pointing out this functional dynamic of propaganda - picking and promoting the artist/product which serves an end IN CONTEXT.

I've already posted on General Electric's psyops films so don't focus on your 'Neil Gaiman says so you're ridiculous' spiel.

Do you expect us to trust that General Electric has good intentions in its film production choice and schedule?
Ever heard of Ronald Reagan?
Know where he came from? Pimping General Electric.

but of course Hugh doesn't actually read books or watch movies in order to know anything about them.


I've closely analyzed hundreds of both media. Et vous?
You sound exactly like Professor Pan. Not good for a discussion board.
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news rooms, movies/TV, publishing
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Postby OP ED » Thu Feb 19, 2009 3:35 am

Hugh Manatee Wins wrote:
Hey- you didn't comment on that op psyops called 'Dollhouse.'
Please read this and then comment on 'Dollhouse'-
http://www.ctka.net/pr300-mkultra.html



i didn't comment on the television show, because taste i had for Joss Whedon went extinct during his subpar writing on the XMen and because i consider it to be irrelevant. i'd suggest his inspiration for his ideas comes mostly from the internet.

i didn't comment on your parrelled story, because it is history. it was sort of interesting though, so thanks. i prefer the technnical manual stuff more really though.

honestly, i was sort of rude, so i apologize. i find approximately half of the things you say to be extremely informative and well-researched. I think perhaps you sometimes misapply this half to your daily routine and that some of these links are probably unlikely at best.

"Oh, Neil says..." As if that means sugar and light.
Hey, Spielberg has explanations for things, too. So?


i am open to the idea that he has more idea where his ideas come from than you do, yes.

i have no opinion as to Spielberg. If I were to guess, i'd say his propogandizing, which is real, is either indirect (he doesn't know about it) and/or genuinely subjectively (his POV) benevolent in nature. Some of it is probably his romanticism. (i.e. heroism worship in general and attached romantic idealisms and their inevitably propogation as military recruiting, i.e. chivalry)

And did you have a "personal coversation"with GENERAL ELECTRIC, one of the world's biggest weapons makers, since Focus Features is their 'art film' division giving us 'Coraline?'


no. did you?




http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Focus_Features

THAT'S who makes sure a project is chosen, financed, promoted, and distributed - not good old Neil.


i'd suggest its only relatively recent existence and His assumedly guarunteed cult audience had something to do with it.

GE are generally known for good business sense.

I'm sick of pointing out this functional dynamic of propaganda - picking and promoting the artist/product which serves an end IN CONTEXT.


perhaps you should stop making very seemingly random connections between disparate things on a regular basis?

I've already posted on General Electric's psyops films so don't focus on your 'Neil Gaiman says so you're ridiculous' spiel.


i'd suggest General Electric should hire better psyops people. Keeping attention away from Caroline Fucking Kennedy would be better served by not putting her on NBC new programs several times a day. Which GE does.

NBC nightly news gets more viewers a day than Coraline will get in its rotation through the box office.




Do you expect us to trust that General Electric has good intentions in its film production choice and schedule?


i believe they likely have good business sense in their choice of schedule and production. they have customers after all. Catering to the whims of some mythological super psyops dept. by moving productions for them to magickally appear whenever they need them (though movies take years to be made) and only pimping the right movies at the right time (which i never notice, it seems they pimp all the movies all the time) would be a hugely difficult and costly endeavor and it'd be much cheaper for the GE mafia people to just kill the psyops team.


Ever heard of Ronald Reagan?



yes, we had him in high school. he was president when i was born.


Know where he came from? Pimping General Electric.


Actually he came from God. It was only later that he worked with GE. I learned both of those things in High School, mostly thanks to him.


but of course Hugh doesn't actually read books or watch movies in order to know anything about them.


I've closely analyzed hundreds of both media. Et vous?
You sound exactly like Professor Pan. Not good for a discussion board.


depends on what you mean by analyzed, i suppose.

i haven't made lists of random character names from the thousands of books i've owned and/or programs i've watched and then search the internet for the same words appearing in either A. news stories and/or B. old news stories i find particularly relevant right now. because that would be silly, because i'd find many many thousands of random coincidences for every one that could possibly be statistically relevant (even if the psyops team exists). and there'd be no way of telling them apart.

...

it must be a barren place indeed wherein art can only serve the spooks.
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Postby wintler2 » Thu Feb 19, 2009 7:40 am

There is no art on primetime, to use the two words in same context suggests to me, OP ED, that you have been entrained by media hype.

Stormin' thread, incidentally.
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Postby Joe Hillshoist » Thu Feb 19, 2009 8:41 am

Dr Who is on in primetime.

Thats good art.
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Postby OP ED » Thu Feb 19, 2009 1:41 pm

wintler2 wrote:There is no art on primetime, to use the two words in same context suggests to me, OP ED, that you have been entrained by media hype.

Stormin' thread, incidentally.


the fact that you seem to think i've used the two words in the same context, or indeed said anything appreciative of television whatsoever in this thread suggests to me, wintler, that you have not been properly entrained by the public education system in the most fundamental of learning skills, i.e. reading.
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Postby ping » Thu Feb 19, 2009 2:52 pm

Cool Thread. Long time lurker here. I've seen the likes of theeKultleeder and Doodad come and go. Let me ask, though, Why does OP ED seem to me like a minor incarnation of these other raspy characters?
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Postby Penguin » Thu Feb 19, 2009 2:53 pm

Are you serious? (I guess you could call him many things, but Doodad??)
:crowdchase:
(more offtopic: Mmhm. Ive always felt he agrees and disagrees courteously most of the time..But thats just me.)
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Postby ping » Thu Feb 19, 2009 2:58 pm

Penguin wrote:Are you serious? (I guess you could call him many things, but Doodad??)
:crowdchase:


I'm sort of serious. He's raspy like them. But you're absolutely right---he's no Doodad.

At least OP ED is in the category of riggies that I don't have a whole lot of respect for.
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Postby OP ED » Thu Feb 19, 2009 3:21 pm

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Postby barracuda » Thu Feb 19, 2009 3:28 pm

OP ED rules.
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