NY Post looks forward to monkey-president's assassination...

[Avalon]

No point in tasing Travis, as his owner had stabbed him multiple times.

[JackRiddler]

robotilt wrote..

As to why it was published... I assumed it's part of the campaign to make the stimulus package all about race and giving money to black people rather than it being about welfare for wall street...

Yes, it's reframing artistry.

Yes.

Related:

The interesting thing about the truly reprehensible and rather surreal attempt by FOX-Palin et al. to frame the financial Ponzi meltdown as a "subprime" crisis caused by defaults among "minorities" is that Wall Street itself isn't pretending it, nor for a second. They're too busy lining up for free taxpayer cash to cover their bad derivatives.

You won't find a financial analyst or real economist of any ideological stripe making any such claims, not even among those implicated in the crisis who could use a scapegoat. Because they know how wrong it is. And yet the racism and the inexplicable legitimacy conferred on the Republican Party suffices to keep this nonsense in discussion.

As for the monkey cartoon, there's a lot of print and politician outrage over it, understandably, but all of it focuses solely on the outrage of Obama as the monkey. But in this case that's the least of it, and lets the scummy cartoonist off the hook.

The cartoon is actually about legitimate lethal force applied by white policemen in a city setting to a monkey that is endangering the humans with its pretenses to leadership.

I guess even the Post's critics are sickened by the idea of saying that out loud. Not in the country of Fred Hampton and MLK and Malcolm X. Not in the country of JFK. Not in the land of the KKK. There's your political correctness at work -- actually shielding the worst of the cartoonist's barbarity from being rendered explicit.

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[monster]

-Didn't see racism at first glance

-I thought George Bush was the monkey president

[Hugh Manatee Wins]

That cartoon is one of many.

This hit the theaters during Obama's nomination
and then rental shelves on his inauguration-

[posting tulpa]

The cartoon is actually about legitimate lethal force applied by white policemen in a city setting to a monkey that is endangering the humans with its pretenses to leadership.

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Give me a fucking break Jack. You're sounding a bit rabid yourself. Hopefully there are a couple white cops outside waiting for you. You and Chlamor enjoying day camp together? I love how all you Jack-asses get up here talking about this and that like you know so fucking much. All you know is how to be a racist, and hate white people. If I followed your example I'd be labeled much worse than I have already been here. But since you're railing against the 'priveledged class' it's all good , right?

HMW- I have never confounded Don Cheadle with Obama. One can act way better than the other.


On Edit: I almost forgot my reason for trudging through the last page of straw grasping......


This cartoon was wildly racist to me, and I was utterly shocked to see it. There's no way you can say the word 'Stimulus' and put a dead monkey in the picture and say it has nothing to do with our current CIC. That said, I guess there are others who can read much more into it than I.....doesn't mean its accurate though.

[JackRiddler]

That cartoon is one of many.

This hit the theaters during Obama's nomination
and then rental shelves on his inauguration-

(TRAITOR poster)

Yeah, I thought that one had a real confluence hit.

And the poster's almost always the most important element, since that's what the most people will see, remember, be subliminally influenced from, etc.

Here's the nutshell review, having seen it:

I thought it would be semi-critical / limited hangout. Au contraire - a thorough and sophisticated underpinning for liberal-skewing WoT ideology, at least up until the ridiculous end-gambit of suckering all of the suicide bombers on to the same bus. (oops, did i forget to scream spoiler?) Indeed, the most insidious part was that they were such an awesome number of sleeper-bombers, all having been planted completely without detection, and they were anyone, anywhere, immigrant or US-born, male or female, well-educated and integrated: though certainly, in the main, light brown.

Every apparent dirty move of the CIA guy who manages Cheadle's infiltrator in the film turns out to be fully justified and well-crafted as a sting op. The main baddies are given sympathetic humanist justifications, but their extermination is an objective necessity. The main thematic thrust is of a struggle among Muslims as to the true meaning of Islam -- reinforcing the idea that "terrorism" really is about "fundamentalism" as opposed to reaction; a bad reading of The Book might be enough to make people blow themselves up, even if their countries weren't being bombed every day from the air.

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[Penguin]

Give me a fucking break Jack. You're sounding a bit rabid yourself. Hopefully there are a couple white cops outside waiting for you. You and Chlamor enjoying day camp together? I love how all you Jack-asses get up here talking about this and that like you know so fucking much. All you know is how to be a racist, and hate white people. If I followed your example I'd be labeled much worse than I have already been here. But since you're railing against the 'priveledged class' it's all good , right?

HMW- I have never confounded Don Cheadle with Obama. One can act way better than the other.


On Edit: I almost forgot my reason for trudging through the last page of straw grasping......


This cartoon was wildly racist to me, and I was utterly shocked to see it. There's no way you can say the word 'Stimulus' and put a dead monkey in the picture and say it has nothing to do with our current CIC. That said, I guess there are others who can read much more into it than I.....doesn't mean its accurate though.

What?
Can you repeat, since that made no sense to me.
A bit clearer if you can. Those cops in the cartoon are white, are they not?

Ive been called a white nigger for listening to rap music at work, and refusing to call my black worker friends "niggers".

That was in Finland, by a fucking white finnish woman. That bastard cow. I really wanted to punch her, you know?

What is your problem? USA is a WHITE supremacist colonialist country first and foremost. Rich white, I should add. Check up how many of your previous presidents were white with blue eyes, you dig?
Get over it.

And I bet Im way whiter than you are, if that counts for anything.
And there are very very few black people living here. Perhaps Im also a self hating white person? Should I have more race pride?

[Hugh Manatee Wins]

That cartoon is one of many.

This hit the theaters during Obama's nomination
and then rental shelves on his inauguration-

(TRAITOR poster)

Yeah, I thought that one had a real confluence hit.

And the poster's almost always the most important element, since that's what the most people will see, remember, be subliminally influenced from, etc.

[Jack's review confirming negative framing of brown people.]

The manipulation of shelf appearance is part of subliminal messaging strategy.

The poster/title effect on video rental shelves has this
juxtaposition sequence at my local store where only 'Traitor' is six copies wide repeating that word-
> Tortilla Heaven
> Towel Head
> Traitor
> Tropic Thunder



...etc.

[JackRiddler]

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Word, penguin. Fuck him, he's incoherent and contradicts himself anyway. PT sees the utter racism of the cartoon but what, he's bothered by my mentioning that it involves white cops engaging in an extrajudicial killing of a stimulus-writing monkey?

PT, are you a cop or just big on cops?

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[posting tulpa]

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Word, penguin. Fuck him, he's incoherent and contradicts himself anyway. PT sees the utter racism of the cartoon but what, he's bothered by my mentioning that it involves white cops engaging in an extrajudicial killing of a stimulus-writing monkey?

PT, are you a cop or just big on cops?

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Neither Jack-ass. Nice grammatical error idiot (and turnaround is fair play, right?). In fact I hate em, for good reason. Seems I am white in appearance to everyone but them....I get fucked with constantly, but of course that's just crazy talk right? White AND harrassed?! Never happens in America right? By both White and Black cops, but I'd have to say the black ones are a little more aggressive.....racism? Can't be, becasue their black right? <Derisive snort emoticon not found>

I just don't like being lumped in with every white skinned villian to ever take the world stage though, just becasue my parents happend to be white....but just that, not rich or priveledged or teaching me to hate a certain color. I just think the term white is used extremely loosley around here and tends to give people an unfair bias against me, just because I am white and happen to not have anything to be ashamed of.

your words:

The cartoon is actually about legitimate lethal force applied by white policemen in a city setting to a monkey that is endangering the humans with its pretenses to leadership.

It was the last part that got me. endangering humans with its pretenses to leadership. More than half the country voted for him! By simple statistics and popular rationale that means: whites being the purported 'majority' in the country = alot of white people voted for him. Fuck you very much. You can go back to your race baiting now.

While I'll admit there's alot out there, not every white person hates "n*ggers" as Penguin so oft is to term them, even though he thinks he can get away with it by using it in the 3rd person, I think he'd get an ass kicking around here (Texas), regardless of context. While on topic of the flightless one, you must have alot of self control, P, because I'd have decked the cow, not just thought about it. That makes you either pacifist or pussy, neither very endearing to your fight against an enemy which is anything but. I mean, the balls on that lady! Ha! I bet the look on your face was priceless. Around here "them's fightin' werds". Must be easy to think so righteously of yourself as the 'race warrior' with so many black people running around in Finnland. Come on over to Tx for a visit; we got plenty of Black folks that'll tell you what's up. You can even recover on my couch after they're done beating the shit out of you for saying "n*gger", no matter how nicely you say it.

[JackRiddler]

Nice grammatical error idiot (and turnaround is fair play, right?).

Not sure what you mean. It was spoken idiom: "He says X, but what, does that mean that Y?" Etc.

In fact I hate em, for good reason. Seems I am white in appearance to everyone but them....I get fucked with constantly, but of course that's just crazy talk right? White AND harrassed?! Never happens in America right? By both White and Black cops, but I'd have to say the black ones are a little more aggressive.....racism? Can't be, becasue their black right? <Derisive snort emoticon not found>

Sounds like you have some valid complaints about the cops. No kidding. And of course black can be racist, but that's the difference between a racist individual and a racist system. If you look past yourself, you'll see that actual shootings of unarmed civilians by cops are overwhelmingly on black targets, and it's usually white cops doing the shooting.

I just don't like being lumped in with every white skinned villian to ever take the world stage though, just becasue my parents happend to be white....

So don't be lumped in. It really is that simple. I don't lump you in, and you don't need to identify yourself with what I say. When you read, "white police shoot black man" (which is the most common case), why should you ever see white as meaning you?

When others call out the acts of white racists, it's nothing that reflects poorly on me if I have not acted in the same way. As for the racist system, however, if I am honest I have to admit we all have our part in it whether we want it or not, and I've "benefited" from it as a white person. Learn to make the distinction.

but just that, not rich or priveledged or teaching me to hate a certain color. I just think the term white is used extremely loosley around here and tends to give people an unfair bias against me, just because I am white and happen to not have anything to be ashamed of.

What,* do you think white automatically means you? See above.

your words:

The cartoon is actually about legitimate lethal force applied by white policemen in a city setting to a monkey that is endangering the humans with its pretenses to leadership.

It was the last part that got me. endangering humans with its pretenses to leadership. More than half the country voted for him! By simple statistics and popular rationale that means: whites being the purported 'majority' in the country = alot of white people voted for him. Fuck you very much. You can go back to your race baiting now.

Sorry, this is incoherent. The cartoon does not speak for white people or Obama voters, and I didn't say it did. Clearly, it speaks for the cartoonist and his publisher.

If all it takes is the word white, apparently you have a very low threshold for discerning "race baiting."

While I'll admit there's alot out there, not every white person hates "n*ggers" as Penguin so oft is to term them, even though he thinks he can get away with it by using it in the 3rd person....

Totally true. Good thing I never said anything that could even be remotely interpreted as claiming that every white person hates black people.

The rest of your rant attacks Penguin. He can take care of himself, I am certain.

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[OP ED]

jesus christ on a fucking stick, people!

several things:

i saw this thread here before and didn't click it because it has a title that sounded fictitious. i had heard of the crazy-chimp story. yahoo i think.

didn't know of the cartoon.

1. the Publisher is smart. the cartoon isn't about being racist. it is about appearing as if it could be racist, but vaguely enough that it is somewhat defensible.
(a/b below)
a. cartoon implies racism because: firstly because of the long-time association of monkeys used as racist dehumanizing slurs by mostly white folks, and this applies secondly because "stimulus" connects it to a Black Person. (and only because)
b. the cartoon is semi-defensible because it isn't overtly racist. the monkey does not even actually resemble the CIC. If this cartoon had been published in say, the fall around the time of the first stimulus, no one would have said anything about it being racist, because it was extremely common practice among cartoonists (think about it) to depict Dubya as a Chimp or other socially-inferior primate.

2. racism isn't the intention of the cartoon. i see the goal as rather to suggest such, indirectly, so that the conversations spark black v. white flames as opposed to being centered on things like the stimulus itself.

3. the real difference here, between depicting BRock as a Chimp and depicting Dubya as a Chimp is that i cannot recall anyone depicting the assassination of a CIC as a joke before.

4. which is its real primary weakness to non-race-baiting criticism and clearly reveals it as what it is and is intended for. (treason)


the goal is to inflame black v. white discussion and instigate the prolongation of segregation. the last thing the Status Q needs is Black Civil Liberties groups and White People With Guns having something in common.


mission accomplished.

[JackRiddler]

1. the Publisher is smart. the cartoon isn't about being racist. it is about appearing as if it could be racist, but vaguely enough that it is somewhat defensible.

Please avoid the common trap of ennobling assholes who use cunning means by calling them smart. And in a world of appearances, choosing to appear racist but allowing enough ambiguity for an out qualifies as exploiting racism, which means: is racist.

3. the real difference here, between depicting BRock as a Chimp and depicting Dubya as a Chimp is that i cannot recall anyone depicting the assassination of a CIC as a joke before.

In published print, no. And that's my point, even in the headline to this thread.

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[posting tulpa]

can we just go back to arguing about Controlled Demolition please?

I liked this place a lot more then......


Yes Op Ed, I think you're absolutely right.

the goal is to inflame black v. white discussion and instigate the prolongation of segregation. the last thing the Status Q needs is Black Civil Liberties groups and White People With Guns having something in common.


mission accomplished.

[OP ED]

1. the Publisher is smart. the cartoon isn't about being racist. it is about appearing as if it could be racist, but vaguely enough that it is somewhat defensible.

Please avoid the common trap of ennobling assholes who use cunning means by calling them smart.

no, thank you.
please avoid the common trap of crafting caricatures of your adversaries, thereby declining to take them as seriously as they should be taken.

i haven't "ennobled" anyone. moralist semantics. diversionary.

And in a world of appearances, choosing to appear racist but allowing enough ambiguity for an out qualifies as exploiting racism, which means: is racist.

whatever.

i am interested in discussing what is(n't) racist even LESS than in discussing the moralist semantics of "ennoblement" &etc. Not least of which because i consider this to be fulfillment of the primary intent of the psy-op in question.

(not the first time a cartoonist has been conveniently "controversial")

(Alexander and Napoleon, Sun-Tzu, Mao and the Gang, we all agree, we shouldn't do what our adversary wishes if for no other reason than that he wishes it to be done)

which is to say i'm not interested in a discussion regarding the philosophy of semantics issues related to "isms" of any sort.


feel free to question my motives.

3. the real difference here, between depicting BRock as a Chimp and depicting Dubya as a Chimp is that i cannot recall anyone depicting the assassination of a CIC as a joke before.

In published print, no. And that's my point, even in the headline to this thread.

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as you say.