Google Ocean: Has Atlantis been found off Africa?

[seemslikeadream]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/scienceandte ... frica.html




The perfect rectangle, which is around the size of Wales, was noticed on the search giant's underwater exploration tool Photo: GOOGLE EARTH

The underwater image can be found at the co-ordinates 31 15'15.53N 24 15'30.53W Photo: GOOGLE EARTH



The site was launched earlier this month Photo: GOOGLE EARTH
The legend of Atlantis has excited the public imagination for centuries Photo: GOOGLE EARTH
The network of criss-cross lines is 620 miles off the coast of north west Africa near the Canary Islands on the floor of the Atlantic Ocean.

The perfect rectangle – which is around the size of Wales – was noticed on the search giant's underwater exploration tool by an aeronautical engineer who claims it looks like an "aerial map" of a city.

The underwater image can be found at the co-ordinates 31 15'15.53N 24 15'30.53W.

Last night Atlantis experts said that the unexplained grid is located at one of the possible sites of the legendary island, which was described by the ancient Greek philosopher Plato.

According to his account, the city sank beneath the ocean after its residents made a failed effort to conquer Athens around 9000 BC.

Dr Charles Orser, curator of historical archaeology at New York State University told The Sun that the find was fascinating and warranted further inspection.

"The site is one of the most prominent places for the proposed location of Atlantis, as described by Plato," the Atlantis expert said. "Even if it turns out to be geographical, it definitely deserves a closer look."

Bernie Bamford, 38, of Chester who spotted the "city", compared it to the plan of Milton Keynes, the Buckinghamshire town built on a grid design. "It must be man made," he said.

Google Ocean, an extension of Google Earth, allows web users to virtually explore the ocean with thousands of images of underwater landscapes.

Launched earlier this month, it lets users swim around underwater volcanoes, watch videos about exotic marine life, read about nearby shipwrecks, contribute photos and watch unseen footage of historic ocean expeditions.

The legend of Atlantis has excited the public imagination for centuries. In recent years "evidence" of the lost kingdom has been found off the coast of Cyprus and in southern Spain.

Plato described it as an island "larger than Libya and Asia put together" in front of the Pillars of Hercules - the Straits of Gibraltar. He said Atlantis was a land of fabulous wealth, advanced civilisation and natural beauty destroyed by earthquakes and floods 9,000 years earlier.

[annie aronburg]

Bernie Bamford, 38, of Chester who spotted the "city", compared it to the plan of Milton Keynes, the Buckinghamshire town built on a grid design. "It must be man made," he said.

[waugs]

Would a city just fall to the bottom of the ocean keeping it's grid form intact?

[beeline]

Would a city just fall to the bottom of the ocean keeping it's grid form intact?

Good question, maybe it didn't 'fall,' but was flooded out somehow? I'm thinking, similar to modern cities in the Netherlands (or New Orleans, for that matter) that are below sea level.

[brainpanhandler]

I looked on Google Earth and found the area in question. It really is pretty goddamn peculiar. There's nothing else in the area that looks similar. There is an area just to the south east that has a few, very faint gridlike squares, but not with nearly the same definition or structure.

It just looks unnatural, which is of course very unscientific.

I wonder though... wouldn't a city state that sank beneath the waves 11,000 years ago have been completely buried with sediment by now?

[chiggerbit]

http://tinyurl.com/csevnw

Google Ocean: Atlantis 'found off Africa' turns out to be boat mapping lines
Hopes that a 'grid of streets' of the lost city of Atlantis had been found on Google Ocean have been shattered


The perfect rectangle, which is around the size of Wales, was noticed on the search giant's underwater exploration tool Photo: GOOGLE EARTH
The underwater image can be found at the co-ordinates 31 15'15.53N 24 15'30.53W Photo: GOOGLE EARTH
Google Ocean, an extension of Google Earth, allows web users to virtually explore the ocean Photo: GOOGLE EARTH
The site was launched earlier this month Photo: GOOGLE EARTH
The legend of Atlantis has excited the public imagination for centuries Photo: GOOGLE EARTH
Keen observers had spotted what appeared to be the outline of a vast city on the floor of the Atlantic Ocean.

But the criss-crossing lines, located 600 miles west of the Canary Islands, were today explained by Google as sonar data collected as boats mapped the ocean floor.

A spokeswoman said: "It's true that many amazing discoveries have been made in Google Earth including a pristine forest in Mozambique that is home to previously unknown species and the remains of an Ancient Roman villa.

"In this case, however, what users are seeing is an artefact of the data collection process.

"Bathymetric (or sea floor terrain) data is often collected from boats using sonar to take measurements of the sea floor.

"The lines reflect the path of the boat as it gathers the data.

"The fact that there are blank spots between each of these lines is a sign of how little we really know about the world's oceans."

The network of criss-cross lines had been spotted 620 miles off the coast of north west Africa near the Canary Islands on the floor of the Atlantic Ocean.

The perfect rectangle was noticed on the search giant's underwater exploration tool by an aeronautical engineer who claims it looks like an "aerial map" of a city.

The underwater image can be found at the co-ordinates 31 15'15.53N 24 15'30.53W.

Google Ocean, an extension of Google Earth, allows web users to virtually explore the ocean with thousands of images of underwater landscapes.

Launched earlier this month, it lets users swim around underwater volcanoes, watch videos about exotic marine life, read about nearby shipwrecks, contribute photos and watch unseen footage of historic ocean expeditions.

The legend of Atlantis has excited the public imagination for centuries. In recent years "evidence" of the lost kingdom has been found off the coast of Cyprus and in southern Spain.

Plato described it as an island "larger than Libya and Asia put together" in front of the Pillars of Hercules - the Straits of Gibraltar. He said Atlantis was a land of fabulous wealth, advanced civilisation and natural beauty destroyed by earthquakes and floods 9,000 years earlier.

[ninakat]

Google Ocean: Atlantis 'found off Africa' turns out to be boat mapping lines
Hopes that a 'grid of streets' of the lost city of Atlantis had been found on Google Ocean have been shattered

By Matthew Moore
Last Updated: 10:57PM GMT 20 Feb 2009

Keen observers had spotted what appeared to be the outline of a vast city on the floor of the Atlantic Ocean.

But the criss-crossing lines, located 600 miles west of the Canary Islands, were today explained by Google as sonar data collected as boats mapped the ocean floor.

A spokeswoman said: "It's true that many amazing discoveries have been made in Google Earth including a pristine forest in Mozambique that is home to previously unknown species and the remains of an Ancient Roman villa.

"In this case, however, what users are seeing is an artefact of the data collection process.

"Bathymetric (or sea floor terrain) data is often collected from boats using sonar to take measurements of the sea floor.

"The lines reflect the path of the boat as it gathers the data.

"The fact that there are blank spots between each of these lines is a sign of how little we really know about the world's oceans."

The network of criss-cross lines had been spotted 620 miles off the coast of north west Africa near the Canary Islands on the floor of the Atlantic Ocean.

The perfect rectangle was noticed on the search giant's underwater exploration tool by an aeronautical engineer who claims it looks like an "aerial map" of a city.

The underwater image can be found at the co-ordinates 31 15'15.53N 24 15'30.53W.

Google Ocean, an extension of Google Earth, allows web users to virtually explore the ocean with thousands of images of underwater landscapes.

Launched earlier this month, it lets users swim around underwater volcanoes, watch videos about exotic marine life, read about nearby shipwrecks, contribute photos and watch unseen footage of historic ocean expeditions.

The legend of Atlantis has excited the public imagination for centuries. In recent years "evidence" of the lost kingdom has been found off the coast of Cyprus and in southern Spain.

Plato described it as an island "larger than Libya and Asia put together" in front of the Pillars of Hercules - the Straits of Gibraltar. He said Atlantis was a land of fabulous wealth, advanced civilisation and natural beauty destroyed by earthquakes and floods 9,000 years earlier.

[ninakat]

chigger, we crossed posted!

[chiggerbit]

[chiggerbit]

[Hugh Manatee Wins]

"The fact that there are blank spots between each of these lines is a sign of how little we really know about the world's oceans."

How simply...INSPIRING...are those blank spots! And everyone can play!

This psyops article is the other bogus half of a counterpropaganda response to the new book (and prize in the 2/21/09 drawing by Alex Constantine and Cryptogon-
http://aconstantineblacklist.blogspot.c ... n-win.html
cryptogon.com/?p=6863
- called:
Blank Spots on the Map: The Dark Geography of the Pentagon's Secret World



>Didn't the name "Bamford" in 'Atlantis found' give y'all a hint of a potential 'war on terror' tie-in?

>Did you notice the viral marketing of a 'woo factor?' (c'mon you know what I mean)

The other psyops half is this bogus article about a GEOGRAPHER
who claims to use a mathematical formula to find BIN LADEN
in one of 3 BUILDINGS-
http://rigorousintuition.ca/board/viewtopic.php?t=22992

...all spook craft viral marketing to achieve:
> news/search engine/discussion board eyeballs reached
> interference theory against a new meme package
> inoculation theory against whistleblowers and distrust of authority

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[barracuda]

That's a nice post, Hugh. When the keywords line up like this it really pops, doesn't it. I like the way you're building your posts these days, with big headlines to resemble news articles. Very authoritative looking. You're finally availing yourself of some of the techniques that are being used against you. The new signature tag is good too, putting the simplified and more direct brand messaging right there like a stamp at the bottom. The old one was too negative; this one embodies your overall themes. Regardless of whether you post here, you should publish this stuff in a venue in which you have more control of the layout of your post, and more control of your readers' eye.

[pepsified thinker]

[on edit: I posted based on an old, early version of this thread--before the debunking posts by ninakat and chig, and so on]

I'm make the call now: Google's ocean mapping potential will turn out to be the beginning of a wave (get it, 'wave'?) of new work and discoveries having to do with underwater resource recovery and management.

What's that you say?

It's already going on? Been going on for some time now?

Well.

never mind then.

Still, given the role of oceans as heat sinks and potential dumping grounds for carbon, and generally un-exploited repositories of minerals (except off-shore oil) AND as a means of producing energy via wave action, I'm going to add 'oceanographer' to my list of "jobs with of the future". So far that list has one other item: power line worker--for repairing after sever weather and/or installing new lines.

Okay--now, back to Atlantis.

I'm a big D&D fan--always though it would be fun to create a game set in a world based on Plato's description of Atlantis.

Wouldn't it be something if he turned out to have actually describe a real place?

Here's another site (described as a salt marsh on the southern coast of Spain that flooded between 800 BCE and 500 BCE) that seems more likely:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/3766863.stm

and here's a cut/paste version of Plato's description (from: http://www.geocities.com/ancients_uk/atlantis/plato.htm):

The Lost City of Atlantis

Plato's description of the Atlantean metropolis:

Below is a translation of Plato's descripion of the lost city of Atlantis, taken from his works 'Timaeus' and 'Critias'. The first extract from his work below details the layout of the land in and around this huge city, and gives an impression of the vast wealth and heritage amongst the people themselves.

'At the centre of the island, near the sea, was a plain, said to be the most beautiful and fertile of all plains, and near the middle of this plain about fifty stades inland a hill of no great size... There were two rings of land and three of sea, like cartwheels, with the island at their centre and equidistant from each other... in the centre was a shrine sacred to Poseidon and Cleito, surrounded by a golden wall through which entry was fobidden...

There was a temple to Poseidon himself, a stade in length, three hundred feet wide, and proportionate in height, though somewhat outlandish in appearance. The outside of it was covered all over in silver, except for the figures on the pediment which were covered with gold... Round the temple were statues of all the original ten kings and their wives, and many others dedicated by kings and private persons belonging to the city and its dominions...'

As well as the huge architectual knowledge the Atlanteans seemed to possess, they also seem to be increadibly advanced in terms of social structure and order, as well as having access to some superb natural resources.

'Two springs, hot and cold, provided an unlimited supply of water for appropriate purposes, remarkable for its agreeable quality and excellence; and this they made available by surrounding it with suitable buildings and plantations, leading some of it into basins in the open air and some of it into covered hot baths for winter use.

Here seperate accommodation was provided for royalty and commoners, and, again, for women, for horses, and for other beasts of burden... The outflow they led into the grove of Poseidon, which (because of the goodness of the soil) was full of trees of marvellous beauty and height, and also channelled it to the outer ring-islands by aquaducts at the bridges.

On each of these ring islands they had built many temples for different gods, and many gardens and areas for exercise, some for men and some for horses... Finally, there were dockyards full of triremes and their equipment, all in good shape...'

'Beyond the three outer harbours there was a wall, beginning at the sea and running right round in a circle, at a uniform distance of fifty stades from the largest ring and harbour and returning in on itself at the mouth of the canal to the sea. This wall was densely built up all round with houses and the canal and the large harbour were crowded with vast numbers of merchant ships from all quarters, from which rose a constant din of shouting and noise day and night.'

Question--is Plato's description a blueprint for a perfect society? If so, what features did it detail? National defense? Management of resources? Social classes in proper relationship?

Going from the thread re Asimov's 'Winnowing' story to this, seems like the two men, Plato and Asimov, would've had some interesting thoughts to share about the big picture of humanity's future, society, etc.--that they were coming at the same thing(s) though from different angles.

(what would Plato have done with the modern version of sci-fi? what Greek philosophy kinda like ancient sci-fi?)

[Hugh Manatee Wins]

Yet another competing story about a geographer and mapping-

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/20 ... 101433.htm

Only this one isn't just about the 2/20 and 2/21 online book give-aways of


...that article has a geographer mapping disease in Africa and saving lives. Because the issues of AIDS and syphilis are in the news, too.
Very bad US history with Africans there.

The Rock Creek Free Press is featuring an article series about many scientists relooking at AIDS as a form of undiagnosed syphilis, especially Lynn Margulis who has also spoken out for 9/11 Truth.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lynn_Margulis
http://www.symbiosisjournal.com/Contents.shtml#vol471

http://rockcreekfreepress.com/

Which is probably why the Chandra Levy story was just revived, for the keywords, "Rock Creek Park."

Also why last week NPR (Voice of America) carried a story about Christopher Columbus bringing syphillus from the New World back to Italy.
I recognized it as a meme-reversal of something.

Because this AIDS-as-syphilis story brings up infamous The Tuskegee Experiments using unwitting untreated African American men with syphilis.

And it is the anniversary of the assassination of Malcolm X.
A good reason for that cops-shoot-chimp story to be perhaps manufactured (drugs?) and amped intentionally by the NYPost.

This is a nest of inter-related infowar problems, all superceded with competing articles to displace them and do subliminal priming.

[crikkett]

Thanks for this!

"The fact that there are blank spots between each of these lines is a sign of how little we really know about the world's oceans."

How simply...INSPIRING...are those blank spots! And everyone can play!

This psyops article is the other bogus half of a counterpropaganda response to the new book (and prize in the 2/21/09 drawing by Alex Constantine and Cryptogon-
http://aconstantineblacklist.blogspot.c ... n-win.html
cryptogon.com/?p=6863
- called:
Blank Spots on the Map: The Dark Geography of the Pentagon's Secret World



>Didn't the name "Bamford" in 'Atlantis found' give y'all a hint of a potential 'war on terror' tie-in?

>Did you notice the viral marketing of a 'woo factor?' (c'mon you know what I mean)

The other psyops half is this bogus article about a GEOGRAPHER
who claims to use a mathematical formula to find BIN LADEN
in one of 3 BUILDINGS-
http://rigorousintuition.ca/board/viewtopic.php?t=22992

...all spook craft viral marketing to achieve:
> news/search engine/discussion board eyeballs reached
> interference theory against a new meme package
> inoculation theory against whistleblowers and distrust of authority