Zoo chimp 'planned' stone attacks

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Zoo chimp 'planned' stone attacks

Postby Seamus OBlimey » Tue Mar 10, 2009 4:57 pm

Zoo chimp 'planned' stone attacks

A male chimpanzee in a Swedish zoo planned hundreds of stone-throwing attacks on zoo visitors, according to researchers.

Keepers at Furuvik Zoo found that the chimp collected and stored stones that he would later use as missiles.

Further, the chimp learned to recognise how and when parts of his concrete enclosure could be pulled apart to fashion further projectiles.

The findings are reported in the journal Current Biology.

There has been scant evidence in previous research that animals can plan for future events.

Crucial to the current study is the fact that Santino, a chimpanzee at the zoo in the city north of Stockholm, collected the stones in a calm state, prior to the zoo opening in the morning.

The launching of the stones occurred hours later - during dominance displays to zoo visitors - with Santino in an "agitated" state.

This suggests that Santino was anticipating a future mental state - an ability that has been difficult to definitively prove in animals, according to Mathias Osvath, a cognitive scientist from Lund University in Sweden and author of the new research.

"We've done experimental studies, and the chimps in my mind show very clearly that they do plan for future needs, but it has been argued that perhaps this was an experimental artefact," Dr Osvath told BBC News.

"Now we have this spontaneous behaviour, which is always in some sense better evidence."

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Dr Osvath embarked on the study after zoo staff discovered caches of stones in the section of the enclosure facing the public viewing area.

Since the initial discovery in 1997, hundreds of the caches have been removed to protect visitors, to whom the caching and the aggressive displays seem strictly related; in the off season, Santino neither hoards the projectiles nor hurls them.

Most interestingly, Santino seems to have learned how to spot weak parts of the concrete "boulders" in the centre of the enclosure.

When water seeps into cracks in the concrete and freezes, portions become detached that make a hollow sound when tapped.

Santino was observed gently knocking on the "boulders", hitting harder to detach bits that were loosened and adding those to his stashes of ammunition.

There are a number of examples of complex behaviour in apes that suggest forms of consciousness.

Planning behaviour like that of the current work is connected to so-called autonoetic consciousness, where information due to memory can be distinguished from that from the senses.

"I'm personally convinced that at least chimps do plan for future needs, that they do have this autonoetic consciousness," Dr Osvath said.

"I hope that other zoos or those in the wild will look more closely at what is happening," he added.

"I bet there must be a lot of these kinds of behaviours out there, and I wouldn't be surprised if we find them in dolphins or other species."

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Postby Fat Lady Singing » Tue Mar 10, 2009 5:05 pm

He's been doing this since 1997, according to the article. Obviously, he hates to be on display (and who could blame him). So why have they continued to bedevil the poor guy with visitors for so long after it became apparent he was stressed?
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Postby monkeytribe23 » Tue Mar 10, 2009 5:22 pm

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Postby Pele'sDaughter » Tue Mar 10, 2009 6:28 pm

:lol: That's perfect!

There has been scant evidence in previous research that animals can plan for future events.


Then they've been doing it wrong. Anyone who has observed animals knows they're capable of planning. :roll:
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Postby Mx32 » Tue Mar 10, 2009 6:43 pm

Pele'sDaughter wrote:
Then they've been doing it wrong. Anyone who has observed animals knows they're capable of planning. :roll:


Aye.

Used to play this game with my dog and her teddy bear.

We'd both sit still looking at the teddy then looking at each other, "daring" each other to go for the teddy and get it first.

Like two gunslingers facing each other, she'd try and out wit me and trick me - making fake plays in an attempt to get me to make my move. :)

The sly looks she'd give me...then the delight at beating me to the bear after 6 or 7 false jerks.

Anyone who has had a dog knows they can plan, dream, sulk,make choices, anticipate, remember...
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stones are nothing..

Postby marmot » Tue Mar 10, 2009 9:15 pm

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Postby kissing blarney » Tue Mar 10, 2009 9:36 pm

I'm gathering cans of soup my dog won't eat to throw at rioters as they attempt to raid my house during the coming depression. Damn you Alex Jones!

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Postby SonicG » Tue Mar 10, 2009 9:54 pm

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All's we need is 99 more monkeys doing the same thing and it is game over...

There has been scant evidence in previous research that animals can plan for future events.

Ummm, squirrels and nuts is ???
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Postby Pele'sDaughter » Wed Mar 11, 2009 7:32 am

Ummm, squirrels and nuts is ???


See, they say that doesn't count. That's only instinctual behavior, they say. I say they're full of shit. I think the only reason "they" believe those ridiculous lies is because someone had to overcome the aversion to torturing animals. Scientific experiments on animals have often proven to be unnecessarily brutal and cruel, and it would be helpful if one believed the animals can't feel the same pain we do. :evil:
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Postby Fat Lady Singing » Wed Mar 11, 2009 7:35 am

SonicG wrote:
There has been scant evidence in previous research that animals can plan for future events.


Ummm, squirrels and nuts is ???



Well, to be serious for a moment, I think a lot of animal behaviorists would say that is instinct rather than the sign of higher cognition.

There's a really great book, The Ape and The Sushi Master: Cultural Reflections of a Primatologist by Frans de Waal, that should be required reading for 'zookeepers.' (Unless they work at the Zoo-niverse, of course).
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Postby Fat Lady Singing » Wed Mar 11, 2009 7:36 am

Pele'sDaughter wrote:
Ummm, squirrels and nuts is ???


See, they say that doesn't count. That's only instinctual behavior, they say.



Oops, sorry, PD, we're obviously on the exact same wavelength at the exact same time.
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Postby Pele'sDaughter » Wed Mar 11, 2009 8:00 am

No need for apology. I always enjoy your singing. :D
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Postby lucky » Wed Mar 11, 2009 8:02 am

Reminds me of a time a while back when i lived next door to an elderly lady originally from Ghana. she told me the story of when she was a child walking to school there was a large tree outside the gates with monkeys on the branches, kids being kids use to throw stones at them but the monkeys use to catch the stones. At the end of the day when the children left school the monkeys use to throw the same stones back at the children who had antagonised them that morning.
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Postby Joe Hillshoist » Wed Mar 11, 2009 8:51 am

If a cow in a paddock watched me open my yard gate several times then worked out how to do it itself, does that involve planning?

It happened and I am still in two minds about what it says about the animals intelligence.
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Postby beeline » Wed Mar 11, 2009 9:13 am

Joe Hillshoist wrote:If a cow in a paddock watched me open my yard gate several times then worked out how to do it itself, does that involve planning?

It happened and I am still in two minds about what it says about the animals intelligence.


I say yes to that. I had a cat that learned how to open the door by hanging on the knob, and then swinging side to side until the door opened a crack. Animals are much smarter than most people give them credit for.
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