Naked Wizard Tased By Reality

[marmot]

short on time, just watched the video. i hope to get back to this thread later.. thanks `cuda!

what struck me most strange was how the dude didn't have a penis..

seriously though, the cops really tried to get him to cooperate, he was out of control. the tazer got him to cooperate. the spectacle should be a lesson to everybody: if you can't control yourself when you drop acid or ecstasy or whatever, if you can't behave in public, then the police have the will and means to subdue you.

i hate the advent of tazers. its frequent use to torture, to shock a victim over and over and over and above what is reasonably needed to subdue. i hate tazers. yet, here, it doesn't seem like the police tortured him, or went overboard in their job.

honestly, i'm just embarrassed for the little wiener!

[OP ED]

Are there any societal expectations that apply here? Granted, this was Coachella, but say I decided to go to your favorite grocery store, drop some X and disrobe. Your all OK with that then?

yep. in fact i'd suggest that the common american fear of nudity this statement seems to exhibit is largely also the main reason for the police resorting to the taser in this case.

laws against nudity. we live in such a stupid fucking world.

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i mean, yes, i hate the very institution of the police.

but they are only a symptom.

[Cosmic Cowbell]

Are there any societal expectations that apply here? Granted, this was Coachella, but say I decided to go to your favorite grocery store, drop some X and disrobe. Your all OK with that then?

yep. in fact i'd suggest that the common american fear of nudity this statement seems to exhibit is largely also the main reason for the police resorting to the taser in this case.

Nice try. My statement does not reflect or exhibit a "fear of nudity" but rather a basic respect for the sensitivities of others regardless of how they were arrived at. Unfortunately, respect doesn't seem to manifest itself out of common sense and therefor must be legislated, not only in America, but in most countries that I'm aware of...go figure. As for the nudity being the "main reason" the dude got the tase, I'll have to respectfully disagree. He got it due to a lack of said respect. They gave him an out several times. Not societies or the laws fault he was too fucked up to take it.

That said, the tase last for but a moment...the haze will last a lifetime.



Lesson learned? Don't be dickless while being a dick.

[lightningBugout]

A video of a guy getting hit with a potentially lethal weapon in response to his very much non-violent crime draws a bunch of fuckin' dick-size jokes? At RI?

[barracuda]

Dick jokes are funny though, especially with regard to a pee pee that resembles the intercom buzzer to a third floor walk-up. And I believe RomanyX has generously clued us in to the realities of underestimation.

That being said, psychedelic nudity at festival rock events is supposed to be de rigeur ever since the mud pits at Woodstock. It's a goddamn tradition, and may in fact be one of the few venues where such innocent behaviour is actually seen as positively contributive to the scene. And I somehow doubt any topless ladies are getting tazed by these fat-assed bozorific punks. I would have hoped someone in the crowd would have had the wherewithal to throw a few heavy objects at the cops heads. There is no excuse, none, for this shit. Nudity is not terrorism. Nudity is not violent. It is the virtually most defenseless position one can attain as a healthy adult. I don't care how patient they were with the Wizard (god bless him), the proper response from security in this instance would have been to chuckle and walk on. 'Cause no harm, no foul, really, now.

[lightningBugout]

clever dick jokes are funny

this: "a pee pee that resembles the intercom buzzer to a third floor walk-up", is clever.

[compared2what?]

I'm astonished that anyone can look at that video and not see excessive force, to use a nice sanitary legal phrase, as well as to name one of the things that I see. I guess that of I were just describing it in general terms, I'd say I see three physically imposing authority figures brutalizing someone who poses no threat to them or to anyone for pretty much no reason at all, other than that they can.

I was frightened by it when the OP was new. But not nearly as frightened as I am now that I've read the thread it generated.

[Cosmic Cowbell]

I'll assume I've taken the politically incorrect position here on this matter. At least as far as the membership here at RI goes.

Let's extrapolate the politically correct positions here to their logical conclusions.

So, say no action was taken to force the Wizard to put his clothes on. This then implies tacit approval by the authorities that it's fine by them to drop whatever you want and do basically whatever you want at publicly held, permitted events. At the next event there's not one but ten naked wizards and their female equivalents roaming the event. Say they decide to start fucking in the middle of the crowd. Hey, no harm, no foul right?

These consequences then force those who came for the music, possible with their families, to decide they no longer wish to attend such events. Fairly soon, there aren't enough attendees to make such events profitable to the promoter or the bands. The events become farther and fewer between, which makes them even more attractive to those who wish to get there freak on. And eventually, the law then decides to that it simply not in the public interest to issue permits for such events.

No more Coachella, no more Burning Man, no more Rainbow Family gatherings, no more period.

Well done, politically correct folks.

I would have hoped someone in the crowd would have had the wherewithal to throw a few heavy objects at the cops heads.

And so the point is proven. With attitudes like this, the longer the attempt to take someone into custody, say with a choke hold or joints locks or whatever else that may involve potential physical damage to -both- officer and perp, the likelihood that a large heavy object comes crashing into their skulls increases. Is that enough harms way for you BPH?

[marmot]

Aight, I read through the thread, and watched the video again.

"I'm asking you nicely, put some clothes on."

The naked clown taunts the officers and throws his clothes down.

As he was subsequently being detained, he would not allow for his hands to be cuffed behind him.

His actions made himself a threat.

And every time he got shocked was for failing to cooperate.

I'm against tazers, but it looks like they're here to stay. So where do you draw the line? The tool should never be used by an angry cop. It should never be used to punish or torture. It should only be used as a last measure, non-lethal effort to impose compliance. It was deserved here, imho. And the officers should be commended for how well they handled the situation. I didn't see them acting out of line.

At the end, the officer pats the naked clown on the shoulder (remember how earlier the clown clawed at the officer's shoulder badge?) and says, "Relax, calm down."

This freeze-frame video might actually make a good tazer-training-video. It would work well whenever the instructor felt the room needed a few clever dick jokes.

[barracuda]

I guess I'll bite on this one, Mssr. Cowbell.

Let's extrapolate the politically correct positions here to their logical conclusions.

So, say no action was taken to force the Wizard to put his clothes on. This then implies tacit approval by the authorities that it's fine by them to drop whatever you want and do basically whatever you want at publicly held, permitted events. At the next event there's not one but ten naked wizards and their female equivalents roaming the event. Say they decide to start fucking in the middle of the crowd. Hey, no harm, no foul right?

Heavens to murgatroid! Public sexual relations between disrobed individuals??? I feign to swoon!! Nay, I... I die.

Frankly this is beginning to sound like a half way decent gig rather than your typical boring corporate-sponsored, police state permitted affair which such shows have become. I mean, after the pat down searches, magnetic wandings, metal detectors and single-filing through the armed security retinue, LET THE FUN BEGIN! And enjoy yourself. Or we'll taze your ass.

These consequences then force those who came for the music, possible with their families, to decide they no longer wish to attend such events. Fairly soon, there aren't enough attendees to make such events profitable to the promoter or the bands. The events become farther and fewer between, which makes them even more attractive to those who wish to get there freak on. And eventually, the law then decides to that it simply not in the public interest to issue permits for such events.

No more Coachella, no more Burning Man, no more Rainbow Family gatherings, no more period.

That right, people will just stop coming to Burning Man once they hear that naked people are having sex there! So get with the tazing right away! If we don't taze the nudists at Burning Man, how're we gonna make any money? I guess we could have like a Renaissance Fair of Ye Olde Tazing or a Rainbow TazeFest. It should be really fun, lots of people writhing in exruciating agony. At least they're not naked though.

Well done, politically correct folks.

Cosmic, there are so many straw men in this extrapolation it's crazy. And there are some events, like Burning Man, Spring Break in Daytona, and maybe even really loud outdoor rock festivals where common sense should dictate that it's not in every way a family-frendly affair. Does everything have to be? And does it have to be violently enforced?

I would have hoped someone in the crowd would have had the wherewithal to throw a few heavy objects at the cops heads.

And so the point is proven. With attitudes like this, the longer the attempt to take someone into custody, say with a choke hold or joints locks or whatever else that may involve potential physical damage to -both- officer and perp, the likelihood that a large heavy object comes crashing into their skulls increases. Is that enough harms way for you BPH?

Attitudes like what? Outrage at deadly force used upon naked Wizardz? You know, the Founding Fathers of Our Nation had a saying: You gotta fight for your right to party.

And Marmot, the Wizard is not taunting the police officers in any way. If you listen closely he is trying to explain to them why just being without clothes right at that moment was nothing wrong, was completely beautiful for him. It seems like taunting, because to fat ass pigs like these, there is no such thing as beauty. There is only "my way or the highway." The Wizard's cock is a flagpole next to the morality of these small creatures.


Long may it wave!

[Cosmic Cowbell]

I'm just saying that's the way it is. When publicly held events are held on public land and the liability for the safety of the public in attendance is held by the public trust (ergo, my tax dollars) then, yes, I have the right to attend such events with my family if I choose to do so. This includes not having to deal with, or expose my children to, those who choose to exercise their own personal right to be a fool and the potential danger that is implicit in that.

Nothing prevents you from purchasing your own plot of land, building the infrastructure with your own dollar and holding the liability for the actions of those attending your private party personally. God bless America eh?

If you don't like or agree with the way it is, you are also free to exercise your personal right to get the fuck out. Trust me, you won't be missed by the majority.

[barracuda]

You sound just like a cop. Serve and protect, brohaim. Far be it from me to subject anyone in your family to the sight of a cock.

[marmot]

Ok. Supposing there's a certain spectrum of ideologues: of attitudes, expectations and actions. On the left you have the Naked Wizard (who recently got tased for asserting his beatific right to be naked) And then on the right you have Pastor Anderson (who recently got tased for asserting his constitutional rights not to be stopped to answer personal questions by the police).

In both of these incidents the wizard and the pastor were asserting what they felt were their personal liberties. But in a society like ours there are laws that codify definite behaviors, so that it's not just left up to whoever wills to decide for themselves what is right and wrong actions.

The real question to me is not concerning the tasing, but about the behavior that was deemed unlawful.

[StarmanSkye]

"The Wizard's cock is a flagpole next to the morality of these small creatures."

-- FINALLY a cock-comment I appreciate! DAMN well said, Barracuda;
I find all of the demeaning comments re: the Wizard's cock size terribly crude, rude and vulgar -- after all, it's not like its something the Wizard (or anyone else) has any conscious control over -- and his small flaccid size is not exactly atypical. It's like making fun of someone for being bald, or blonde, or having big ears or small breasts; Not very enlightened to say the least;

The point IS: Tazing is potentially life-threatening, nudity and stubborn, intoxicated refusal to comply with a security guard's orders to clothe one's genitals IS NOT an actual physical threat or danger to anyone, least of all three burley, armed security officers. Many alternatives could have been used -- in fact, nudity should probably have been anticipated and an appropriate response planned for, even something as simple as just leading the offending party away to a private area or escorted to the exit, or having a sheet wrapped around them. A far superior method of non-lethal 'control' tactic that maybe should be used in non-threatening situations is using a net-device to immobilize a suspect/offender -- far easier than trying to handcuff someone. As far as that goes, handcuffing someone behind their back is often so difficult and ackward because the action elicits an involuntary defense-response, trying to keep one's arms in-front of oneself due to imposition of a disorienting, unusual situation, ie. being physically controlled and manipulated; Handcuffs are archaic and now used way too routinely in situations where they aren't necessary.

This whole attitude where its become acceptable to taze an uncooperative person is really frightening, showing our public's slide towards accomodating the dictates of our emergent police-state.

Quite a deal, where public tazing is preferred over the spectacle of nudity; How many resulting deaths is such a policy worth? What about the issue I posted earlier, a man tazed for not signing a traffic citation? The threat of tazing is now being used to condition the public to unquestioning obedience to authority they don't necessarily respect, but fear;

Yes, this is a symptom of something very dysfunctional;

I too am surprised by the number of comments supporting the cop's tazing;

[Cosmic Cowbell]

You sound just like a cop.

Not a cop. Simply a father and a taxpayer.

Far be it from me to subject anyone in your family to the sight of a cock.

A very wise decision on your part...