Military Plane Flying Low over the Hudson River?

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Postby pepsified thinker » Mon Apr 27, 2009 10:53 pm

I'm not buying it--

Too many loose ends for this to be a planned 'op' of some kind. THink of the planning that went on with 9-11 (NORAD stand down, etc.).

I don't see it as an effort to terrorize the people of NYC--this is too weird of a move for that. I'm sure it was terrible to see up close, even for folks who weren't in that same area on 9-11, but there are other ways of spreading terror without using Air Force 1.

If anything, this is a way to somehow send a message to the White House--by either controlling Air Force 1 or sending up a look-alike so as to embarrass the Obama--think about how it works as an op AGAINST Obama, if someone else managed to make this happen or generate the appearance of this happening.

I don't know what the 'F' this is all about (somebody hacked into the remote controls of Air Force 1?) but it's not a photo op.

How about this: can we account for the positions of planes that normally make up Air Force 1? Where are they based? Did anyone see this plane take-off from, or return to that base?

I won't be surprised if, somehow, the air traffic control tapes relating to this incident are missing or damaged.
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Postby barracuda » Mon Apr 27, 2009 11:53 pm

Could this New York Times picture be any more ominous? Not very subtle.

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Jet Flyover Frightens New Yorkers

It was supposed to be a photo opportunity, a showcase of Air Force One alongside the sweep of New York City skyline.

But as the low-flying Boeing 747 speeded in the shadows of skyscrapers, trailed by two fighter jets, the sight instead awakened barely dormant fears of a terrorist attack, causing a momentary panic that sent workers pouring out of buildings on both sides of the Hudson River.

“I thought there was some kind of an attack,” said Paul Nadler, who sprinted down more than 20 flights of stairs after watching the plane from his office in Jersey City shortly after 10 a.m. “We ran like hell.”

In fact, the blue and white plane with “The United States of America” emblazoned on its side was one of two regularly used by the president. It was soaring above Lower Manhattan, Staten Island and Jersey City so government photographers could take pictures near the Statue of Liberty for publicity purposes.

Aides to President Obama, who was not on board, said he was incensed when he learned of the event Monday afternoon. The White House later issued a formal apology.

Witnesses described the engine roar as the planes swooped by office towers close enough to rattle the windows and prompt evacuations at scores of buildings. Some sobbed as they made their way to the street.

“As soon as someone saw how close it got to the buildings, people literally ran out,” said Carlina Rivera, 25, who works at an educational services company on the 22nd floor of 1 Liberty Plaza, adjacent to the site of the Sept. 11, 2001, attack. “Probably about 80 percent of my office left within two minutes of seeing how close it got to our building.”

Under federal regulations, in urban areas, airplanes must fly at least 1,000 feet above obstructions like buildings and bridges, and jetliner flights over Manhattan are typically at 8,000 feet or more. And planes do not typically approach local airports by flying low over the harbor.

As the fright wore off, Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg and other local leaders questioned why the Federal Aviation Administration had ordered local officials, including the New York Police Department, not to alert the public in advance.

An F.A.A. memo last week said information about the exercise “should only be shared with persons with a need to know” and “shall not be released to the public or the media.”

The breakdown of communication went deeper. Mr. Bloomberg said he first learned of the exercise when his BlackBerry started buzzing with messages from people asking if he knew what was going on.

“First thing is, I’m annoyed — furious is a better word — that I wasn’t told,” Mr. Bloomberg said.

“Why the Defense Department wanted to do a photo-op right around the site of the World Trade Center catastrophe defies imagination,” he said. “Had I known about it, I would have called them right away and asked them not to. It is the federal government, and they can do in the end what they please, but I would have tried to stop it.”

He said that the Police Department and an official in his administration — he did not say who — had not advised him of the exercise.

White House and City Hall officials later said the notice had gone to the director of the city’s event coordination and management office, which handles permits for events like block parties, street fairs and parades. The director, Marc Mugnos, was formally reprimanded for failing to notify his superiors, said a senior city official, who was given anonymity because this was a personnel matter.

As the uproar reached Washington, dozens of officials at the White House, the Pentagon and the Department of Transportation rushed to find out who had authorized the flyover.

The White House did not issue a statement, or a formal apology, for more than six hours. At first, the White House press secretary, Robert Gibbs, dismissed questions, saying: “You might be surprised to know I don’t know of every movement of Air Force One or what happens to it.”

Later, aides told reporters that President Obama was furious about the flyover when it was brought to his attention. The White House Chief of Staff, Rahm Emanuel, conveyed the president’s anger in a meeting with the director of the White House Military Office, Louis Caldera, who issued the apology.

“Last week, I approved a mission over New York. I take responsibility for that decision,” Mr. Caldera said. “While federal authorities took the proper steps to notify state and local authorities in New York and New Jersey, it’s clear that the mission created confusion and disruption. I apologize and take responsibility for any distress that flight caused.”

Neither the White House nor the F.A.A. explained why the mission was deemed a secret, even though officials conceded the primary purpose was picture taking. Other images of the plane, taken at picturesque sites like Mount Rushmore, are sold as souvenirs and used in promotional materials. Officials at the Department of Transportation and at the Pentagon each denied responsibility for the secrecy.

The lack of warning meant that Notify NYC, a pilot emergency service intended to quickly alert New Yorkers who sign up, did not send out text messages and e-mail messages explaining the flyover until well after the exercise had ended.
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Postby pepsified thinker » Tue Apr 28, 2009 12:10 am

If this is a cover story, it's a good one.

It feels real.
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Postby mentalgongfu2 » Tue Apr 28, 2009 12:19 am

I would have bolded this statement, as well:

“Had I known about it, I would have called them right away and asked them not to. It is the federal government, and they can do in the end what they please, but I would have tried to stop it.”
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Postby Nordic » Tue Apr 28, 2009 2:56 am

"photo op" my ass.

What an absurd cover story.

We'll never know WTF was really going on, and that's too bad.
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Postby Penguin » Tue Apr 28, 2009 4:09 am

"breakdown of communication"
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Postby RocketMan » Tue Apr 28, 2009 8:20 am

Perhaps the fact that there are so many loose ends means that Obama really is shaking this up behind the scenes and there's already a faction within the government ready to "send a message" if he veers to much out of line?

Or perhaps I'm being optimistic. If that's what it can be called.
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Postby MacCruiskeen » Tue Apr 28, 2009 8:39 am

Avalon wrote:If the President wants to see the Statue of Liberty up close and personal from above, I'm sure he can do so by helicopter. If Air Force One can be recognized in the same frame as the Statue of Liberty, it is too damned close.


Good point.

Remember that every official image of the President is planned, discussed and carefully vetted by an army of PR hacks and intelligence officials. Now imagine an actual photo of Air Force One flying low over Liberty, through restricted airspace, into Lower Manhattan - the site of the most spectacular mass murder in recent history, less than eight years ago. What message could that photo possibly convey?

Only one, as far as I can see: That the President is a dangerous terrorist.
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Postby 8bitagent » Tue Apr 28, 2009 9:16 am

You gotta love the revelation of the method folks. Obama shakes hands with a top archeologist in Mexico city who dies the next day just as the swine flu gets going and as the army labs report missing samples.
And then this little wink and a nod. NYC always needs a "reminder", like the Cory Lidle plane crash/

You have CIA trained Los Zetas bringing Mexico to near civil war, Swine flu pandemic hype, Taliban is nearing the capital of Pakistan, economy continues to tumble...
and here we have it...(You can see how fear stricken the people running are: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22425001/vp ... 3#30442273 )

A low flying jumbo jet careening right for what looks like downtown manhattan being tailed by fighter jets on a busy monday morning...and its all just a government "photo op".

At least this time, there were fighter jets and the government plane wasnt flown into any buildings.

kool maudit wrote:was this an occult/ritual working?


Naw, the numbers don't add up and there isnt the instant ripping of 3000 souls from bodies. Perhaps more flagrant revelation of the method. The elite are pretty creative though...these occult workings like the atomic bomb, jfk, diana and 9/11 usually have a lot of patience and care put into them
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Postby 8bitagent » Tue Apr 28, 2009 9:25 am

So why hasnt Jeff changed the top logo?
As I said a year ago, Obama with a UFO above his head, you gotta do it!

Avalon wrote:Maybe someone's Photoshop program was on the fritz, so they decided to do a live version instead. You think the WTF? moments can never be topped, yet they constantly do.

I wonder if we'll ever find out where the "Air Force photographers" were.

I don't know how easy it might be to have a gun in one's office might be, but having a crossbow made out of components that individually would be acceptable in an office might not be a bad idea.


The flying of six live nuclear bombs on a bomber craft still is at the top of the "wtf" list. Oh and making a warship out of wreckage from the WTC steel.

82_28 wrote:Footage of people actually panicking. :cry:

http://www.city.com/forums/air-force-ne ... ic260.html


Hmmm, there's that 77 again

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StarmanSkye wrote:MIGHT this be a covert Mil-Intel psyop to discredit and smear Obama, either as a PR operation or to send a political 'message' to Obama et al., 'don't BUCK us, boy; Go along or we'll smoke you ...'

But I tend to think, the US public were the intended guinea pig suckers for this stunt.


As much as I maintain as I did in 2007 that Obama is the crown jewel puppet of the elite even if *he* doesnt realize it...the Obama-dead Mexico city archeologist story and then the stoking of the right wing fear base with the georgetown cross covering and other stuff leads me to think they may try and keep him in check.

You're dead on tho, no doubt Monday's event was some sort of Pavlovian type experiment. Swine Flu! Tumbling economy! Oh you forgot 9/11 did you? BET YOU REMEMBER NOW ! haha
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Postby barracuda » Tue Apr 28, 2009 9:54 am

Nice to see you again, 8bit.
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Postby psynapz » Tue Apr 28, 2009 10:33 am

Did anyone here use who uses the Odigo instant messaging service receive any IM warnings about this?

I wonder if any of the "Air Force photographers" set up their telephoto tripods on top of a moving company van on the Jersey side and perhaps danced around in jubilation at capturing the perfect shot?

It didn't have to be a warning to the Obamabergers (or from them to Obama, I wishfully think) in order to have been a successful psyop, but as I've said before, the effects of these ops are considered on every imaginable level during the planning phase, and I expect the mission parameters are adjusted or augmented as necessary to maximize vertical integration, from the National Geographic scene of galloping herds of screaming stock traders down in Battery Park to the "incensed" populist pResident who, we hope, likes to at least pretend his foreign policy advisor didn't foment the extremist Wahabbism that led, eventually, to the dip in the Dow that followed everyone out into the street to run screaming beneath what appear from the videos to be HAARPed-up square clouds.

Everybody look up; this is normal now.

The eaters have been sprayed long enough now for the mission to be pretty well accomplished, I would think, without any significant uproar of which to speak. It's time now to actually encourage every frightened monkey on this rock to finally start looking up -- with great trepidation -- at the flying machines of death passing overhead, so that when the time comes to pull out the whole fleet of big black floating triangles, they might pull the kind of American Idol Nielson ratings they're looking for.

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Postby Jeff » Tue Apr 28, 2009 1:54 pm

FWIW, posted on DU:


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40. I am probably going to hate myself for even bringing this up...

but I'm in the Air Force, so I tend to notice airplaney things.

Did anyone notice in the still shots that the F-16 has a solid orange-red tail? I was ignoring this whole episode as bureaucratic buffoonery by my service until I saw that.

To my knowledge (which is pretty extensive) the only aircraft we fly with vertical stabilizers painted solid orange-red are old planes that have been converted to serve as unmanned target drones for air-to-air combat training.

Operational fighter and attack aircraft do not have brightly-painted vertical stabs of any color, except one-off temporary paint jobs for special events like air tattoos, and certainly not orange-red, which is used to loudly convey the message "Danger: Keep back! This plane has no human pilot!"

No, I'm not trying to get my conspiracy on, but the orange-red tail is something I simply cannot explain.
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Postby OP ED » Tue Apr 28, 2009 2:34 pm

good catch, Jeff.

now i have to go and actually look at the photos and stuff.

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[Air Force guy is correct, btw, wrt orange dashings]

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my guess is "unplanned" Pentagon real-world simulated wargames.

[testing AF1's manueverability, which would be fairly routine probably. the odd part would be doing it over NYC, or any civillian airspace, which AF1 would usually go to great pains to avoid]

strange they used an F-16 too. pretty much obsolete nowadays. maybe this was organized by someone officially a bit less advanced in the Lowerarchy? [less powerful penta-spooks?]

they probably really didn't even tell B. Rock, which increases, IMO, the odds that the "message", if one exists, is mostly for his illumination.

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Hi 8bit, how's the revolution going?
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Postby barracuda » Tue Apr 28, 2009 2:59 pm

That's fascinating.

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Airforce target drone with inset of the flyover incident.
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