Military Plane Flying Low over the Hudson River?

[justdrew]

can really see the tail here:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/istolethetv/3481130058/sizes/o/

There don't seem to be a huge amount of pics on flicker

[pepsified thinker]

Actually it was all a hologram.

[8bitagent]

Did you guys here? The White House is planning on doing this same exaxt stunt...IN WASHINGTON DC
http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local ... in-dc.html

Next they'll announce they have to do the photo op in the skies over rural Pennsylvania...

Nice to see you again, 8bit.

Thanks. A bunch of people pm'd me to ask where I was, so I thought I'd pop in. And whoah, just in time...as I predicted in 2007, the summer of Obama's first year is when you'd see the doozy's really come down the pipeline

Did you see the History Channel special on black triangle UFO's?
Its hard for me to imagine those giant things are all government craft

[posting tulpa]

umm 8 bit glad to see you back but its all over the net now that Felipe Soliz did not have swine flu, but died of heart complications. That part is a lie you swallowed hook line and sinker.

Stick around we'll steer you str8!

[8bitagent]

umm 8 bit glad to see you back but its all over the net now that Felipe Soliz did not have swine flu, but died of heart complications. That part is a lie you swallowed hook line and sinker.

Stick around we'll steer you str8!

Why would that news even have been posted then in the media? Strange. Still, Obama being in Mexico City just as the outbreak happens is interesting.

Remember when just as Bush was leaving an Omaha Nebraska business and as the soon to be killed "W" actress/reporter interviewed Cheney at a firearms store, a 19 year old walks into an Obama mall and kills 7 people and wounding several others?

[crikkett]

FWIW, posted on DU:


14thColony Donating Member (759 posts)

Response to Original message
40. I am probably going to hate myself for even bringing this up...

but I'm in the Air Force, so I tend to notice airplaney things.

Did anyone notice in the still shots that the F-16 has a solid orange-red tail? I was ignoring this whole episode as bureaucratic buffoonery by my service until I saw that.

To my knowledge (which is pretty extensive) the only aircraft we fly with vertical stabilizers painted solid orange-red are old planes that have been converted to serve as unmanned target drones for air-to-air combat training.

Operational fighter and attack aircraft do not have brightly-painted vertical stabs of any color, except one-off temporary paint jobs for special events like air tattoos, and certainly not orange-red, which is used to loudly convey the message "Danger: Keep back! This plane has no human pilot!"

No, I'm not trying to get my conspiracy on, but the orange-red tail is something I simply cannot explain.

Fear not!

hugo_from_TN (258 posts)
Tue Apr-28-09 12:46 PM
Response to Reply #40
53. The red tail is a tribute to the Tuskegee airmen

http://www.redtail.org /

Looks like a photo-op, probably related to the Tuskegee Airmen movie coming out later this year. I'm guessing they won't use the footage now.

[ninakat]

via Cryptogon, this video of Obama saying "it was a mistake" -- WTF indeed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_tQCdHHn ... r_embedded

[barracuda]

FAA Memo: Feds Knew NYC Flyover Would Cause Panic

Threatened Federal Sanctions Against NYPD, Secret Service, FBI & Mayor's Office If Secret Ever Got Out

A furious President Barack Obama ordered an internal review of Monday's low-flying photo op over the Statue of Liberty.

CBS 2 HD has discovered the feds will have plenty to question.

Federal officials knew that sending two fighter jets and Air Force One to buzz ground zero and Lady Liberty might set off nightmarish fears of a 9/11 replay, but they still ordered the photo-op kept secret from the public.

In a memo obtained by CBS 2 HD the Federal Aviation Administration's James Johnston said the agency was aware of "the possibility of public concern regarding DOD (Department of Defense) aircraft flying at low altitudes" in an around New York City. But they demanded total secrecy from the NYPD, the Secret Service, the FBI and even the mayor's office and threatened federal sanctions if the secret got out.

"To say that it should not be made public knowing that it might scare people it's just confounding," Sen. Charles Schumer said. "It's what gives Washington and government a bad name. It's sheer stupidity."

The flyover -- apparently ordered by the White House Office of Military Affairs so it would have souvenir photos of Air Force One with the Statue of Liberty in the background -- had President Obama seeing red. He ordered a probe and apologized.

"It was a mistake. It will never happen again," President Obama said.

The NYPD was so upset about the demand for secrecy that Police Commissioner Ray Kelly vowed never to follow such a directive again and he accused the feds of inciting fears of a 9/11 replay.

"Did it show any insensitivity to the psychic wounds New York City has after 9/11? Absolutely. No questions about it. It was quite insensitive."

The cost of the frivolous flight was about $60,000 an hour and that was just for Air Force One. That doesn't include the cost of the two F-16s that came along.

[pepsified thinker]

Okay--the other story sounded possible, but this one's garbage. No one--not even an inexperienced set of idiots (and mostly I haven't seen that Obama's hired any such--like or hate him, he does good PR) would do a $60,000 hr. and hour (plus the jets' costs) PR disaster for souvenir photos.

This is a hit piece to make him look bad.

Maybe the real reason is still wrong somehow, and/or still a call made by an Obama-chosen player--maybe.

But in any case, this article is phoney, bad--intentionally so?--crap.

IMHO.

[8bitagent]

In a memo obtained by CBS 2 HD the Federal Aviation Administration's James Johnston said the agency was aware of "the possibility of public concern regarding DOD (Department of Defense) aircraft flying at low altitudes" in an around New York City. But they demanded total secrecy from the NYPD, the Secret Service, the FBI and even the mayor's office and threatened federal sanctions if the secret got out.

Holy crap. And they have the nerve to do this again, in DC?
http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local ... in-dc.html

[Penguin]

Somebody just told Obama "We thinks well fly planes with snakes on em into buildings any day we feels like it, even your personal plane...And make both a laugh and a scare while at it! Ya feel me?"

Nice to see ya, 8bit

[82_28]

Somebody set Obama up da bomb. He was clearly unprepared for this. Perhaps it is the shaky camera action at the end. I don't think there would ever be a Bush handler-handled camera that would ever go all "authentic" shaky, the prez is real and in "real world MTV" such as this clip. Hmmm. Very suspicious. You can see it in the nervousness of how he moves his left arm to his hip to feign "no big deal". There is something up. It is being made clear in every subliminal way that Barack Obama has NO CONTROL. Though I didn't vote for him, I don't like it one bit. (didn't vote for anyone at all for the first time ever)

http://cryptogon.com/?p=8295

It's like the polar opposite of the "first 100 days" of bush's presidency. I've searched everywhere for this particular clip from the Daily Show that I remember where Jon Stewart is all WTF about Bush picking duck shit out of his cleats sitting shotgun in a golf cart while being asked about something national security wise. But I can't find it.

I just wish I could get better used to things being so in your face weird. Alas. . .

[Dradin Kastell]

Fear not!

hugo_from_TN (258 posts)
Tue Apr-28-09 12:46 PM
Response to Reply #40
53. The red tail is a tribute to the Tuskegee airmen

http://www.redtail.org /

Looks like a photo-op, probably related to the Tuskegee Airmen movie coming out later this year. I'm guessing they won't use the footage now.

In 2007 Code One Magazine reported that one F-16 of the Alabama Air National Guard had its tail painted red as a tribute to the Tuskegee airmen:

http://www.codeonemagazine.com/archives ... index.html



Apparently the whole fighter squadron (100th FS of the 187th ANG) uses the same paint job now(?):

http://www.f-16.net/news_article2511.html

[crikkett]

In 2007 Code One Magazine reported that one F-16 of the Alabama Air National Guard had its tail painted red as a tribute to the Tuskegee airmen:

http://www.codeonemagazine.com/archives ... index.html



Apparently the whole fighter squadron (100th FS of the 187th ANG) uses the same paint job now(?):

http://www.f-16.net/news_article2511.html

I don't know, it's as likely as drones flying through the skyscrapers. It could be that Alabama ANG planes were flying on Monday.

As for the 'no warning' SNAFU, I was talking with my husband about this last night, and playing devil's advocate he asked me how it would look if advance warning were given and some crackpot showed up with their rocket launcher to knock the plane out of the sky.

That, he said, would be some spectacular footage.

He has a point.

[MacCruiskeen]

playing devil's advocate he asked me how it would look if advance warning were given and some crackpot showed up with their rocket launcher to knock the plane out of the sky.

That, he said, would be some spectacular footage.

He has a point.

Sure, crikket, but the obvious conclusion to draw is: Don't do it at all. Not under any circumstances. Neither with nor without a warning.

Also, as several people have already noted, the "photo-op" excuse is a load of crap. What's more, the "apology" issued by that White House drone is a load of even stinkier crap, for the FAA memo makes it perfectly, unambiguously clear that they knew this outrageous stunt would cause a panic.

So, to sum up: The FAA and the USAF fully intended to cause a panic at Ground Zero, and then they did so.

Mission Accomplished, message received and understood.

What utter bastards.