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Postby alwyn » Mon May 04, 2009 12:43 pm

If I spelled it correctly...

I was watching the news last night (local San Francisco channel) when there was a report of a shooting. The newscaster was rolling footage of what she called the 'police response'. What I saw was lots of desert storm uniforms on the ground. Along with a tank which said 'sherrif's office, Solano county.'

Seeing troops on the ground was a little chilling, especially in light of the current 'epidemic'. Seeing a newscaster call them 'policemen' was even more chilling. I guess posse comitatus is well and truly dead...

too bad for 'democracy under Obama'

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Postby whipstitch » Mon May 04, 2009 1:07 pm

http://www.progressive.org/wx042909.html

Will NorthCom take over in Swine Flu Outbreak?
By Matthew Rothschild, April 29, 2009

The swine flu outbreak raises a lot of fears.

Here’s one you might not have thought of yet: The Pentagon may be taking over more and more of our civil society in this crisis.

Back in 2002, President Bush created NorthCom, the Pentagon’s Northern Command, which has jurisdiction over the United States.

And NorthCom has been running preparedness drills in the event of a flu pandemic for at least the past three years.

Making things more alarming, NorthCom got assigned its own fighting unit six months ago—the Army’s 3rd Infantry Division’s 1st Brigade Combat Team, which had spent much of the last five years battling things out in Iraq.

The assignment of that fighting unit alarmed the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU). “This is a radical departure from separation of civilian law enforcement and military authority and could, quite possibly, represent a violation of law,” said Mike German, ACLU national security policy counsel.

Testifying in March, General Victor Renuart, head of NorthCom, said it would provide “assistance in support of civil authorities” during an epidemic. And, he added, “when requested and approved by the Secretary of Defense or directed by the President, federal military forces will contribute to federal support.” But he boasted: “USNorthCom does not wait for that call to action.”

He noted that NorthCom has prepared for a flu outbreak from Mexico. “Because Mexico is our neighbor and disasters do not respect national boundaries, we are focused on developing and improving procedures to respond to potentially catastrophic events such as pandemic influenza outbreak, mass exposure to dangerous chemicals and materials, and natural disasters,” he testified.

NorthCom also has a “private sector cell,” Renuart said in a talk to the Heritage Foundation on August 20, 2008. “We have great participation from industry and from other organizations around the country.”

One private sector group that has worked with the FBI and Homeland Security on pandemics is InfraGard. This is group of more than 30,000 businesspeople who have special access to confidential FBI information and may be assigned special—and lethal—duties in times of an emergency (See “The FBI Deputizes Business”).

An InfraGard chapter held a meeting at NYU Medical Center on February 21, 2007 on “Pandemic Preparedness Planning: the Case for Public-Private Collaboration”.

InfraGard also participated in a conference entitled “Surviving the Pandemic,” held in Madison, Wisconsin, October 12, 2006. That conference was co-sponsored by the Southeast Wisconsin Homeland Security Partnership, two centers at the University of Wisconsin, the Madison Area Technical College, Alliant Energy, and American Family Insurance.

InfraGard wants to be a player in pandemic response. “Utilization of their expertise will help local communities prepare for a possible pandemic event to ensure minimal disruption and quick recovery,” one InfraGard press release stated.

Whether and how InfraGard and NorthCom might be working together in this swine flu outbreak is unclear.

Similarly, it is unclear what actions NorthCom might take if an all-out pandemic ensues.

One last concern: George W. Bush bestowed upon the Presidency enormous powers, essentially to be in charge of every branch of government, as well as state and local and tribal governments and the private sector, in the event of a “catastrophic emergency.” (See National Security Presidential Directive 51)

We’re in a public health emergency now. It’s not “catastrophic” yet. But it appears to be up to the President—and the President only—to make that determination, according to the directive.

Congress needs to hold hearings on NorthCom, InfraGard, and National Security Presidential Directive 51.

We must insist on our rights, even in emergencies.
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Postby chiggerbit » Mon May 04, 2009 1:30 pm

An InfraGard chapter held a meeting at NYU Medical Center on February 21, 2007 on “Pandemic Preparedness Planning: the Case for Public-Private Collaboration”.


Why does NYU always seem to be at the center of this kind of thing?
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Postby chiggerbit » Mon May 04, 2009 1:35 pm

From Wiki:

"....Claims of The Progressive magazine

In early 2008, Matthew Rothschild reported in the journal The Progressive that there were 86 chapters and 23,000 InfraGard members in various businesses involved in critical infrastructure in the United States, and that several InfraGard members had stated that they had been told that in the event of martial law being declared in the United States, the InfraGard members would have the right to "shoot to kill" and would not be prosecuted for this.[1] Both the FBI[2], and a self-described member of the InfraGard Members Alliance, Jim Lippard[3] has responded that this is untrue, the FBI explaining that "InfraGard members have no extraordinary powers and have no greater right to 'shoot to kill' than other civilians."

The Progressive also reported the concerns of the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) that there "is evidence that InfraGard may be closer to a corporate TIPS program, turning private-sector corporations — some of which may be in a position to observe the activities of millions of individual customers — into surrogate eyes and ears for the FBI"....."
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Postby chiggerbit » Mon May 04, 2009 1:39 pm

Holy shit! Look at all the google pages for the various states and cities involved:

http://www.google.com/search?source=ig& ... gle+Search
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Postby chiggerbit » Mon May 04, 2009 1:45 pm

http://www.rcfp.org/news/mag/26-1/foi-infragar.html

‘InfraGard’ lets FBI disclose sensitive information to select few


When California Gov. Gray Davis issued warnings about terrorist threats on state bridges, he relied on information given to him from three different law enforcement sources and from his brother, Barry, in New York City.

The late October threat turned out to be unfounded.

Davis then faced criticism from state law enforcement officials and some news media for publicizing the threats before the FBI issued assurances that they were authentic.

Although the FBI made no such determination publicly, the agency had already announced the threat to an information-sharing partnership it fosters with some businesses. That is how Barry Davis, who works for Morgan Stanley, and more than 1,700 other business leaders learned about the threat before the general public and even some government leaders. Morgan Stanley is part of InfraGard, a business-government partnership overseen by the FBI's National Infrastructure Protection Center.

"Just goes to show. It isn't who you know, but who you work for, that matters," wrote the San Francisco Chronicle.

The partnership grew from a pilot project started by the FBI's field office in Cleveland in 1996 to solicit advice from local computer professionals on how to protect critical information systems in the public and private sectors. Today, 56 field offices boast of ties to area businesses to exchange information.

InfraGard, its bylaws say, is committed to a "robust exchange of information" about threats to the infrastructure. But the exchange is just among the members. For example, the FBI sent out a notice to the nearly 1,700 businesses around the country who enjoy membership in InfraGard about the uncorroborated threat, but it did not notify the news media.

The bylaws emphasize secrecy, the careful release of information and the protection of InfraGard members.

InfraGard's "Interviewing and Publication Policy," for example, states that, in dealing with the press, "controlling the image of InfraGard being presented can be difficult." It says that where possible the InfraGard leadership and the local FBI representative should "review submitted questions, agree on the predilection of the answers, and identify the appropriate interviewee." The local FBI representative and InfraGard member should try to be interviewed together to emphasize the partnership, the policy states.

During an interview with a newspaper, the policy states, the association member should "use simple sentences and basic facts" and "focus answers on the benefits of InfraGard membership." Questions concerning sensitive information should be avoided, it says, cautioning an interviewee to "NEVER argue with the interviewer."

The identity of InfraGard members should be protected at all times, the policy states. Names of individual employees or their employers should not be disclosed without the permission of the individual and the employer.

InfraGard also has a code of ethics which addresses information sharing. It calls for education of members and the general public on information security and national information infrastructure issues. It also calls for maintaining the confidentiality of most information obtained through involvement with InfraGard. That includes, but is not limited to, protecting information on the business of a fellow member or company and information identified as "proprietary, confidential or sensitive."

The code and other information is available online at the InfraGard Web site at www.infragard.net.

But Ray Maviglio, Davis' spokesman, said the governor, who is not a member of InfraGard, revealed information about the threat because he believed he could "treat the citizens of his state like adults" and that they could make their own decisions about the information.

In a discussion of Davis' disclosure in early November on ABC's "Nightline," Oakland Mayor Jerry Brown, a former California governor himself, said that once the FBI advisory was issued, it might as well have been public.

"An e-mail comes out to hundreds of people, maybe thousands of people, and at the bottom it says, 'And don't tell the media'," Brown said. "As soon as I saw that, I said, 'This is unreal.'" -- RD
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Postby chiggerbit » Mon May 04, 2009 1:55 pm

Man, this is REALLY creepy (only a little tongue-in-cheek)

http://www.ireport.com/docs/DOC-251023

Twitter is used to inform businesses about the Swine Flu

A non profit, public-private information sharing network, Long Island InfraGard (http://www.infragard-li.net) has turned to Twitter and BlogSpot to get the word out about the Swine Flu




InfraGard has successfully used Twitter in a positive manner to provide updates to businesses surrounding critical events and issues, such as the swine flu. Positive uses of Twitter and other online services outweigh the negative sources of information that can flow over these networks. "The use of Twitter and Blogs allow us to reach our constituents who rely more on social networking to obtain news and other timely information" Brendan Healy, Director Long Island InfraGard commented on the increased use of social networking sites. He further noted that "While most of the information may be common sense, it is always good to provide an avenue for communication that reinforces the basic concepts of flu prevention"




InfraGard Long Island is a local chapter of the InfraGard Members Alliance. The chapter holds regular meetings and provides members with a forum for information sharing within secure environment while focusing on protecting the Critical Infrastructure of Long Island and New York.



InfraGard is a Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) program that began in the Cleveland Field Office in 1996. It was a local effort to gain support from the information technology industry and academia for the FBI’s investigative efforts in the cyber arena. InfraGard and the FBI have developed a relationship of trust and credibility in the exchange of information concerning various terrorism, intelligence, criminal, and security matters.
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Postby chiggerbit » Mon May 04, 2009 1:59 pm

Minnesota chapter:

http://infragardmnmembers.ning.com/

Open site for members of InfraGard in Minnesota. See InfraGardNET link above for secure discussions.
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Postby chiggerbit » Mon May 04, 2009 2:16 pm

Ho-boy, interesting:

http://www.scmagazineus.com/On-guard-In ... le/123408/


“[Kiernan] is taking the helm at a time when InfraGard is poised to break out of its adolescence into a period of greater cooperation with private companies,” Steve Hunt, CEO of Hunt Business Intelligence, an Evanston, Ill.-based research and advisory firm, wrote soon after she was appointed chair. “InfraGard is already doing that, of course, by making the FBI more approachable. However, I expect InfraGard to jump in membership and influence during Dr. Kiernan's tenure as chair.”

Kiernan's extensive law enforcement background serves as stark contrast to the experience of previous chairwoman, Phyllis Schneck (right), which was rooted in technology.

Now chairwoman emeritus, Schneck is vice president of cyberintelligence and critical infrastructure protection at McAfee. During her tenure, the private sector portion of InfraGard blossomed, as did its relations with the Department of Homeland Security.
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Postby alwyn » Mon May 04, 2009 2:40 pm

you go, chig!
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