Vigilantes? This sticker just went up in my neighborhood.

[norton ash]

The Manatee's in the Bay area? Damn, now I KNOW he's PK Dick!

Horselover, give my best to Elvis, Andy Kaufman and Ken Lay.

[IanEye]

Dood. Will people quit calling Hugh "insane" etc? He's a news cycle detritus eating retard just like the rest of us. We're all here.

Reminds me of this song. . .

Ego Fum Papa (I Am The Pope)

“Live like an angel, die like a devil.” Don’t let it worry you, we’re down here together. We’re all here: heathens, heretics, kids with blue socks. I asked some questions and wasn’t satisfied with the answers. It seems that’s the biggest crime since not fitting in. But we’re all here: King Diamond, todd’s mom, fallen angels, the decimated cultures, the kid in the corner in sweat pants. We’ll find our own way.

"Cut the crap. Get real, Sweetheart. The Pope does not smoke dope. Even if he should."

[crikkett]

The citizens of East Germany stormed the archives and dumped the files of the Stasi secret police onto the street.
In America, we have a better system. One that works. It's called waiting for Godot.

That's a good one.

[FreeLancer]

Pay phones still exist?

[nathan28]

Blaze thru the comment if you don't like what he's saying, how he's saying it or for the purpose you believe he's saying it for.

Hear, hear. I second that notion.

Hugh, FWIW, trust your gut in these types of situations. I can only recommend that you go as far underground as you can. Me personally, I have no permanent address anyone can trace me to, and I have plenty of places across the country I can go, if need be. But I don't know your situation, i.e. you may be a homeowner with no quick option of moving, etc.

HMWs, I know you hate those-who-shall-not-be-named but I'd suggest you re-read some of the discussion re: gaslighting. C2W here claims to know people who have been victims of harassment campaigns and most often, she said, there's always a carrot and stick approach with no uncertain terms: stop doing x and we stop doing y, "y" usually being breaking into your house, following you, etc.

But don't you live in the Bay Area? You all out there are a little far out to start with, that sort of thing wouldn't surprise me.

Also I know someone who ran a payphone (back when they still existed) sticker campaign very effectively (every city on the east coast, chicago, san fran & LA, toronto) very, very easily, for his own enjoyment.

Generally I think what you describe above is more in the boogeymen-in-the-closet category, that struck another poster sometimes barking up a similar tree (albeit with less monomania and more egotism). It's dark and everyone else is asleep here so I could prob. get real scared if I thought about it. That said, all I have to go on is your post above. For all I know someone has tapped your phone--or you're posting an ARG trailhead. It's the Internet, It's Mediated.

Those FCH people look totally full of shit. If you want to see a real-world KWH, they're your people: do a video search for "MK-ULTRA" and tell me they and their ilk don't crowd the top hits.

FWIW in the sixties and seventies the microwave weapon research IMO appears to be more closely aligned with the cancer research thing (Moscow US embassy)... let's not forget about Ted Gunderson's getting wasted and passing out on his lawn without a shirt, either. If anyone can link microwave weapons directly to MC or Mindwar, please, go ahead, I won't contest.

[elfismiles]

But just the sticker's website and that article from elsewhere on the same topics is a mindful worth examining , nevermind the sticker's appearance.

No, actually, let's see it. Scan and upload.

For all I know someone has tapped your phone--or you're posting an ARG trailhead. It's the Internet, It's Mediated.

Those FCH people look totally full of shit.

The site he links to I came across a while back. Archive dot org has it back to August 06 and in the current pages there are pictures of at least one MK / Harassment victim I know locally...

[§ê¢rꆧ]

What the hell does this mean? Someone mentioned a one-sided convo going on at DE blog so I went and looked and found this...

Code: Select all

http://dreamsend2.wordpress.com/2009/05/08/message-to-a-manatee/

I put it in code tags so as not to give DE's blog any google linkjuice. Just copy and paste it.

[alwyn]

unable to pick a fight directly, because of past misconduct, he creates a new attack...

he just can't get over RI can he? when you've had the best...forget the rest

[Hugh Manatee Wins]

DE did not criticize me, just my spelling. I thought he was rather complimentary.

I'm not sure that the Alternate Reality Game-sters at the "Jejeune Institute" in SF he mentioned and illustrated with another street flyer are the source of that 'whistleblower support group' sticker I saw.

The people DE cited (I read some of their own board postings) write obviously mocking text worthy of 'The Onion' about paranoia and throw in the phrase, "gang stalking," probably because they are playing games they call "flash mobbing" where people follow obscure clues and show up at a site costumed as a kind of insider covert street theater/egghead mystery/scavenger hunt.

But the tone of the website on my found sticker is morbidly serious and doesn't include any smartass game elements.
And, importantly, no whistleblowers, either.

Related:
Maybe two years ago I heard an mp3 of Professor Christopher Simpson getting sandbagged on a Voice of America-related radio show by fake victims of harassment trying to discredit him.

Simpson has written several meticulously researched and therefore dangerous books about US covert history including use of Nazi assets and one about how the CIA co-opted all the social science/media studies research in academia after WWII called 'The Science of Coercion: Communication Research and Psychological Warfare 1945-1960.'
http://www.amazon.com/Science-Coercion-Communication-Psychological-1945-1960/dp/0195102924
(Gee, why'd they do that?)

I was pleased to find this streaming interview with Simpson (can't remember where) even though the radio show seemed to me to be too mainstream and actually tied to the CIA-Voice of America. This source turned out to be a big factor in what I then heard.

For the first few minutes Simpson (I think he was in studio) responded politely to introductory questions about his books by the show's host. But then the host put two phone callers-in on the air to 'add' to the discussion. They were both little old ladies carrying on about how all the neighbors spy on them, they can't get any sleep, and the furniture keeps moving around on them.
They sounded like caricatures of doddering paranoids with Alzheimers.

Well, Simpson must've realized that he'd been tricked into a discrediting situation because he didn't say another word for the rest of the program and just let the circus do its act on the air without his participation.

This was very instructive to me and leads me to believe that the only thing more effective than real harassment of real whistleblowers is fake claims of harassment by spooks to create incredulity in the audience.

[elfismiles]

Thank you for the reply Hugh.

Is this flyer like the sticker you saw:
http://www.freedomfchs.com/ffchsflyer3.pdf

But the tone of the website on my found sticker is morbidly serious and doesn't include any smartass game elements.
And, importantly, no whistleblowers, either.

Yes, which is part of why I don't believe you can legitimately label it a disinfo / discrediting website. Show me ONE anti-mind-control activism site (particularly one with victim testimonials) that is maintained by or contains the testimony of a whistleblower. Can anyone actually NAME ONE whistleblower in the MK field? Someone like Donald Ewen Cameron who actually worked on the inside of one of these projects. Nope - he's dead with no repurcusions for what he did. Hmmm ... how about James Forrestal? Nope, suicided before he could become a whistleblower. Or Louis Jolyon West? Nope - no whistleblowing there - just practicing MK-assassin deprogramming and then shuffling off safely into the shadows before his death.

Of course the testimony of (real or fake) MK victims is discrediting to claims of MK research. In presumed cases of true victimhood they are likely being gaslighted and will come across as crazy and may often have been driven to that point. In real verified cases the victims were being "treated" at "mental health" medical facilities - like Cameron's victims.

But this group, however sketchy aspects of their site might be, seem to be made up of the victims, but they are at least TRYING to get the issue out there.

And they did advertise a researcher who at least seems to publish more of the technical / govt-doc-backed evidence of MK-technology:

http://www.freedomfchs.com/worlddayflyer.pdf
http://www.layinstitute.org/src/subcate ... subcatid=8
http://www.layinstitute.org/src/category.asp?catid=11
http://www.layinstitute.org/securedweb/ ... sxycm8.pdf
http://www.layinstitute.org/securedweb/ ... dhdfcj.pdf

So Hugh, what MK whistleblowers exist for this or any other MK victim site to incorporate to your satisfaction?

Which of the below interviews is the one you are thinking of Hugh... ?

Links to Christopher Simpson interviews on Coercion:

Broadcasting Images of Pows, Distributing Propaganda Leaflets, ‘Embedding’ Reporters: The Pentagon’s Psychological Operations
“As the ground and air war plays out in Iraq, another battle, just as crucial, is taking place—the propaganda struggle between the British-US coalition and Baghdad.”

Real Audio Stream
http://play.rbn.com/?url=demnow/demnow/ ... t=00:41:26

MP3 Download
http://www.archive.org/download/dn2003- ... 5_64kb.mp3

http://www.democracynow.org/2003/3/25/b ... propaganda

Special Archives for Dave Emory's show on WFMU

FTR#93 Science of Coercion II: Interview with Christopher Simpson. From February 24, 2009.

Listen to the whole show (RealAudio)
http://wfmu.org/listen.ram?show=30481&archive=48689

Listen to the whole show (MP3 - 128K)
http://wfmu.org/listen.m3u?show=30481&archive=48690

FTR #78 Interview with Christopher Simpson (Rebroadcast) From February 17, 2009.

Listen to the whole show
http://wfmu.org/listen.ram?show=30397

http://wfmu.org/special.php/DX

Repost: FTR #93 The Science of Coercion II - Interview With Christopher Simpson

Listen: MP3
Side 1 http://emory.kfjc.org/archive/ftr/000_099/f-093a.mp3
Side 2 http://emory.kfjc.org/archive/ftr/000_099/f-093b.mp3

http://spitfirelist.com/?p=5576

[elfismiles]

Which of the below interviews is the one you are thinking of Hugh... ?

Links to Christopher Simpson interviews on Coercion:

Broadcasting Images of Pows, Distributing Propaganda Leaflets, ‘Embedding’ Reporters: The Pentagon’s Psychological Operations
“As the ground and air war plays out in Iraq, another battle, just as crucial, is taking place—the propaganda struggle between the British-US coalition and Baghdad.”

Real Audio Stream
http://play.rbn.com/?url=demnow/demnow/ ... t=00:41:26

MP3 Download
http://www.archive.org/download/dn2003- ... 5_64kb.mp3

http://www.democracynow.org/2003/3/25/b ... propaganda

... well it doesn't seem to be that one yer talking about.

Repost: FTR #93 The Science of Coercion II - Interview With Christopher Simpson

Listen: MP3
Side 1 http://emory.kfjc.org/archive/ftr/000_099/f-093a.mp3
Side 2 http://emory.kfjc.org/archive/ftr/000_099/f-093b.mp3

http://spitfirelist.com/?p=5576

... and in this broadcast, in part a, Simpson just started mentioning UFOs after talking about psyop propaganda high-altitude leaflet balloons. Then Emory cites Vallee - all right at the end of part a.

... on to part b ....

[elfismiles]

The Science of Coercion 2002-06-27
An interview with the author of the book, Christopher Simpson from 1997.
Transcript from the soundfiles FTR-78a and b in David Emory's For The Record series Quoting:
Psychological warfare first entered the english language as a translation, a mutation of a nazi german concept called Weltanshaungskrieg which means world view warfare and during WWII the americans built on that and expanded it and used it to mean a whole range of wartime type tactics involving propaganda, dirty tricks, covert operations, whatever, to carry out a war. Where it emerges into a modern reality came in the wake of the war when more so called peace time types of essentially the same tactics emerged. For years now the government has told us that we're living in the world of no war no peace and what that has meant as a practical matter is that we're living in a world of ongoing low-level warfare and one of the early terms that was used to describe this is psychological warfare. Nowadays they call it lowintensity warfare. Sometimes its called more politely 'public diplomacy'. Just to build on that point for a minute. When you hear people talk about lowintensity warfare, it simply means lowintensity compared to nuclear weapons. Lowintensity warfare from the standpoint of people who are subjected to it is quite high intensity thank you very much! Some people would refer to it as total warfare conducted at the grass roots level. Its basically a form of terror. Against union organizers, I am talking about central america now, church people, community activists of whatever sort.
- - -
...in fact from its inception from its earliest definition in classified government records, psychological warfare is defined to include assassinations, covert operations, gerilla warfare, counterinsurgency etc. From its inception psychological warfare has been the mating of violence on the one hand and what people would call today propaganda or mass communication on the other hand. Another thing that's interesting about psychological warfare, from its inception it has also targeted the people of the united states, the common preconception is that for better or for worse this is something we do to them. The reality is that from the governments standpoint, from the standpoint of those who are paying the bills for its development the targets always involve not only foreign audiences but domestic audiences as well.

http://home.swipnet.se/allez/IntroEng.htm

... which links to a full transcript ...

<snip>

full transcript from the interview in soundfiles FTR78a and b. The content is truthfully reproduced although not always literally.

http://home.swipnet.se/allez/Eng/FTR78.htm

[elfismiles]

Thank you for the reply Hugh.

Is this flyer like the sticker you saw:
http://www.freedomfchs.com/ffchsflyer3.pdf

But the tone of the website on my found sticker is morbidly serious and doesn't include any smartass game elements.
And, importantly, no whistleblowers, either.

Yes, which is part of why I don't believe you can legitimately label it a disinfo / discrediting website. Show me ONE anti-mind-control activism site (particularly one with victim testimonials) that is maintained by or contains the testimony of a whistleblower. Can anyone actually NAME ONE whistleblower in the MK field? Someone like Donald Ewen Cameron who actually worked on the inside of one of these projects. Nope - he's dead with no repurcusions for what he did. Hmmm ... how about James Forrestal? Nope, suicided before he could become a whistleblower. Or Louis Jolyon West? Nope - no whistleblowing there - just practicing MK-assassin deprogramming and then shuffling off safely into the shadows before his death.

Of course the testimony of (real or fake) MK victims is discrediting to claims of MK research. In presumed cases of true victimhood they are likely being gaslighted and will come across as crazy and may often have been driven to that point. In real verified cases the victims were being "treated" at "mental health" medical facilities - like Cameron's victims.

But this group, however sketchy aspects of their site might be, seem to be made up of the victims, but they are at least TRYING to get the issue out there.

And they did advertise a researcher who at least seems to publish more of the technical / govt-doc-backed evidence of MK-technology:

http://www.freedomfchs.com/worlddayflyer.pdf
http://www.layinstitute.org/src/subcate ... subcatid=8
http://www.layinstitute.org/src/category.asp?catid=11
http://www.layinstitute.org/securedweb/ ... sxycm8.pdf
http://www.layinstitute.org/securedweb/ ... dhdfcj.pdf

So Hugh, what MK whistleblowers exist for this or any other MK victim site to incorporate to your satisfaction?

Which of the below interviews is the one you are thinking of Hugh... ?

Links to Christopher Simpson interviews on Coercion:

Broadcasting Images of Pows, Distributing Propaganda Leaflets, ‘Embedding’ Reporters: The Pentagon’s Psychological Operations
“As the ground and air war plays out in Iraq, another battle, just as crucial, is taking place—the propaganda struggle between the British-US coalition and Baghdad.”

Real Audio Stream
http://play.rbn.com/?url=demnow/demnow/ ... t=00:41:26

MP3 Download
http://www.archive.org/download/dn2003- ... 5_64kb.mp3

http://www.democracynow.org/2003/3/25/b ... propaganda

Special Archives for Dave Emory's show on WFMU

FTR#93 Science of Coercion II: Interview with Christopher Simpson. From February 24, 2009.

Listen to the whole show (RealAudio)
http://wfmu.org/listen.ram?show=30481&archive=48689

Listen to the whole show (MP3 - 128K)
http://wfmu.org/listen.m3u?show=30481&archive=48690

FTR #78 Interview with Christopher Simpson (Rebroadcast) From February 17, 2009.

Listen to the whole show
http://wfmu.org/listen.ram?show=30397

http://wfmu.org/special.php/DX

Repost: FTR #93 The Science of Coercion II - Interview With Christopher Simpson

Listen: MP3
Side 1 http://emory.kfjc.org/archive/ftr/000_099/f-093a.mp3
Side 2 http://emory.kfjc.org/archive/ftr/000_099/f-093b.mp3

http://spitfirelist.com/?p=5576

[MinM]

NEW: Justice Dept. confirms COPS GETTING 'PAIN BEAM' WEAPONS

A virulent form of domestic terrorism is destroying the lives of citizens across America.

Victims of so-called organized "gang stalking" or "community stalking" charge that the rule of law has broken down nationwide at the hands of state-supported vigilantes -- operating under the cover of citizen community policing and neighborhood watch corps and business-related anti-terrorism programs, supplemented by municipal workers and members of private and fraternal organizations.

A nationwide network comprised of these citizen groups, funded and apparently overseen by elements of government at multiple levels, is the mechanism of "extrajudicial" targeting and punishment that victims say is dispensing officially tolerated "vigilante justice" -- a bypass of the judicial system and the rule of law.

Many web sites in the U.S., Canada and other industrialized nations chronicle this horror. But victims say the tentacles of this domestic terrorism extend well beyond the so-called "street muscle" comprised of gang-stalking local vigilantes and self-styled soldiers of fortune.

Victims of this extrajudicial punishment network -- what some have termed "the torture matrix" -- maintain that its operatives are acting as judge, jury and executioner for what amounts to an evil shadow government. So-called "targeted individuals" -- and by extension, entire families -- are subject to physical assault and psychological and physical harassment that victims say amounts to officially-sanctioned domestic torture. Some victims have moved to other cities and towns to escape -- but they say the persecution recurs in their new locale.

"It appears to be a nationwide network that attracts extremists as well as law and order types and people connected to public safety such as firefighters, utility workers, police auxiliaries, retired police and military officers, and even their family members, including children and teenagers," says one victim, who says he has been "gang stalked" for several years. "I doubt it could exist without some people in positions of power looking the other way."

Even some regular, uniformed police are reported to have been intimidated by this network of extrajudicial punishment -- described benignly by its defenders as a social "control" mechanism.

Victims say that they are physically harassed and relentlessly stalked, whether they travel on foot or in vehicles. GPS devices are secreted in their cars or cell phones, allowing members of the stalking "program" to "swarm the target" wherever they go. The stalkers typically ride the target's bumper, drive recklessly or intrusively, causing near-accidents. On foot, the stalkers approach their targets in public places such as stores or libraries. They come ever closer, invading the target's personal space. The intent: psychological intimidation.

Stalkers also surreptitiously enter their targets' homes and vandalize property, from autos parked in garages to appliances, furnaces, plumbing systems, even personal items of clothing. The intruders play sadistic psychological mind games on their targets, such as rearranging or hiding their possessions -- what the gang stalkers call "gaslighting," after the classic Ingrid Bergman film in which an evil husband uses trickery and deception in an attempt to convince his wife that she is going crazy. (Like many gang stalking victims, she figures it out in the end.)

Targets of the "torture matrix" find their privacy is constantly invaded by way of pervasive surveillance of all electronic communications, which often are tampered with or altered in transit. Both video and audio "bugs" are planted in targets' supposedly private residences.

Information gleaned from surveillance, such as details of private conversations, is funneled to the street stalkers -- who then repeat these "directed" comments within earshot of the target -- a form of psychological harassment intended to provoke anxiety and fear...

Ichingcarpenter at DU just started an interesting "Gaslighting" thread.

[Elvis]

COPS GETTING 'PAIN BEAM' WEAPONS

ow.