911 Witness - "Harley Shirt Guy" - an actor?

[DoYouEverWonder]

And it beggars belief that any 9/11 conspirator who wanted to plant a fake witness would be so foolish as to seek out an obscure but genuine professional actor for the job! (Can you imagine them negotiating the contract? Can you imagine the rehearsals?) It's even less plausible that they would then allow that hapless thespian to carry on appearing on TV for years on end (!), thereby allowing any old Internet sleuth to find him, name him, "expose" him, and threaten him.

The MSM, including the movie industry is full of spooks. Someone else mentioned the disaster drills NYC was running that day. They would have had on site a number of 'actors' that were going to participate in the drill. They only needed a few to get on the first live broadcasts to spread the 'official' version of events.

In regards to the posters, who like to threaten people and engage in other types of unacceptable behavior, there's more then a few on both sides. The little cross forum MH debate about who's a stalker and who's threatening people is a bit like the pot calling the kettle black. There are dark actors on both sides who do this on purpose to discredit all of the evidence. The DOD and CIA spend a lot of money to cause trouble and create confusion on these types of forums.

One thing that is disturbing to me is that there is now a new site that is devoted to monitoring KT and other people like me who post on his site. The people behind this new site have some serious mental issues.

[John Schröder]

Mark Humphrey is not the Harley Guy:

http://truthaction.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5387

That You Tube video doesn't prove anything.

Since they had clips from one of MH's movies, why didn't they run the audio track that went with them? Instead you get a 2 sec clip over and over with a bunch of noise, oh excuse, music on top of it all.

The height issue is not definitive. A lot of actors probably fudge an inch here or there.

BTW: truthaction is not a reliable source for info IMHO.

I don't care much about the video. I don't care much about Humphrey's height either. Read what Col. Jenny Sparks writes, that's what's interesting. "Ozzybinoswald", the guy who accused Mark Humphrey of being the Harley Guy, seems to be closely associated with Killtown and Eric May. That alone should be enough to distrust everything he says as a matter of principle. Entering "ozzybinoswald" and "no planes" into Google, I've found this gem of his: "There were no planes that smashed into any of the 3 locations on September 11" - Yeah, he really wrote that. The same person who has told us that the Twin Towers were not hit by planes is now telling us that Mark Humphrey is the Harley Guy. Excuse me if I remain somewhat skeptical of his judgment (or sanity, for that matter). Of course the Harley Guy was very possibly some kind of an actor, but probably not Humphrey.

BTW: Truthaction is a forum. There are some of the most reliable people in the movement (Jon Gold, Victoria Ashley, Arabesque, Scott Noble, Cosmos, Col. Jenny Sparks, Julian Ware, Kamen Fattorusso, for instance - John Albanese and Nicholas Levis used to be there too, but not anymore) and some who are not so reliable. Moderation is maybe a bit too soft over there, but people who promote blatant disinfo quickly get the boot. If you're looking for a forum that is very strictly moderated, go to truthmove.org, where many of the same people as on truthaction.org are frequently posting. So, of course truthaction.org is "not a reliable source" if you uncritically accept everything you read there. If you figure out which people you can trust and which information is good, it is a very interesting forum.

[Jeff]

He sounds like a professional broadcast journalist and he's dressed like it's his day off. If so, that's why he's speaking on Fox with apparent authority, because he's accustomed to an audience believing he knows what he's talking about.

Is his appearance available in more than a 14 second clip? Because I'm curious about what might have been clipped out, maybe maliciously, to fabricate another bogus mystery.

[AlicetheKurious]

I don't care much about the video. I don't care much about Humphrey's height either.

Whatever. Whoever he was, what matters is that he fumbled his role and for one split second exposed one way our perception of "reality" is managed. Also, his awkward script indicates some concern that the buildings' collapses would prompt suspicions, hence the need to ensure that the "right" explanation was available right away, articulated by someone who, like Hugh said, the average American consumer "would like to have a beer with".

[MacCruiskeen]

I don't care much about the video. I don't care much about Humphrey's height either.

Whatever. Whoever he was, what matters is that he fumbled his role and for one split second exposed one way our perception of "reality" is managed. Also, his awkward script indicates some concern that the buildings' collapses would prompt suspicions, hence the need to ensure that the "right" explanation was available right away, articulated by someone who, like Hugh said, the average American consumer "would like to have a beer with".

Alice, he didn't necessarily fumble anything and he didn't necessarily have anything to fumble in the first place. Jeff makes a good point: maybe the guy was a just an averagely-callous media-blowhard who happened by, and whose blustering bullhorning big-swinging-dick "scientific explanation" was more than acceptable to Fox as a found object. If you've ever been to a TV-, film- or theatre-premiere or party, you'll have met dozens of guys like that. Point a camera or a mike at them and they blossom. (Maybe the Fox reporter was a very pretty girl?)

As the fictional New Yorker Holden Caulfield pointed out nearly sixty years ago: the world is full of phoneys and show-offs and young guys on the make. And as Frank Sinatra sang, around the same time: If you can make it there, you'll make it anywhere. It's up to you.

- But yes, it would be very interesting to see what came before and after that interview-segment. Since we live in a free, democratic society, though, there's little hoping of ever compelling Rupert Murdoch's private fiefdom to show it to us (presuming it still exists).

[lightningBugout]

Jeff's right. This guy sounds exactly like most of my male friends who work in broadcasting. The notion this guy is anything but a man on the street is on par with no-plane theories, IMHO.

[DoYouEverWonder]

So far I can only find the short clip with the Harley Guy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wf-qWfT6IAM


But here's a couple of You Tube links of other people Rick Leventhal interviewed that morning. So all together they give us some context. Especially, since Rick seems to be in on the deal. He's the one people should be hounding.

One thing to note is that as often as possible, Rick does try to get the person to give their name for the record. Why didn't he do that with the Harley Guy? It would be good to find a more complete clip of that interview.

Another interesting tidbit - Rick Leventhal was at the corner of Murray and Church. That's the same corner the jet engine landed on.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYB8WZimGnU

Officer Granowsky (sp?)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_YkQbVizC7k

Arthur Angel

Sept 12, 2001 - In Washington, the Pentagon burned. In New York, the blood banks ran dry. On television, a man called Arthur Angel was talking about how he escaped the explosion.

http://thescotsman.scotsman.com/latestn ... 2290394.jp

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lx3siO6Xrik


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_AfTyOyKEEQ

Funny, Rick sure didn't want to continue talking to this guy.


Edited: To add new info

[MacCruiskeen]

Very few young persons with penises will miss a chance to at least try to look important and well-informed, particularly about science, and especially when faced with a pretty girl with a microphone. Or even just a microphone.

But the camera is the kicker. Fake it till you make it.

[harflimon]

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[MacCruiskeen]

Hypothesis: The guy was actually a minor Fox employee, or a buddy of at least one member of the camera-team, making his debut on-camera. Hence his excitement and his charming enthusiasm, and his excessive desire to express himself in quotable whole sentences.

9/11 must have been a real buzz for a lot of people, especially for a lot of young guys who were close enought to see it first-hand but not close enough to be in any real danger themselves.

- Reminds me of an off-duty radio-reporter, one of several people with whom I was having a few beers on May Day many years ago. We emerged from the bar into a full-scale riot and found shelter in a doorway, where he took a noisy Tarantinoesque delight in the police sirens and the running crowds and the water-cannons and the burning supermarket and the burning cars and the general picturesque mayhem, until suddenly his face fell...

"Oh fuck - My car!"

He had left his little Toyota parked just around the cormer. Never saw anybody turn pale so quickly, or run so fast.

The world is full of callous, selfish, superficial bastards. (He was good company, by the way. Kind and friendly too, in his private life. But a young person with a penis, and on the make.)

[Canadian_watcher]

Paid by whom? - I don't doubt that the guy was NOT told:

"psssst, buddy! We need a douchbag to talk about this crash because we need to plant the official story in the public's collective head. Here's a script and $1,000. and ahhh... we never met, okay?"

But is it not plausible that he was approached by "some newscaster" who said that all they wanted was to succinctly sum up the morning's events and who gave him a script and asked him to read it for the camera?

All in all it may be a red herring, because what is the most anyone can hope to gain from it..

wait - I know what can be gained from it. Reactions like Nordic's. More and more people need to see it so that they can add it to the collected memories in their heads about an operation that stinks to high heaven.

You can tell a man a sobering fact and he might scratch his chin, but he's more likely to remember an entertaining fiction.

[OP ED]

i dunno.

i consider it entirely plausible that this guy was merely repeating what he'd heard some authority figure say previously.

hell he might've already heard about the demolition on TV by that point.

[Hugh Manatee Wins]

Um, it really is the case that disaster management includes managing the public to prevent panic and ensure reactions that allow first responders to work or prevent a pandemic from spreading etc.

The guy was a FEMA-type shill doing his job. Guaranteed.
(I can't believe this board doesn't get that media tactics are s.o.p. in 'national security events.')

Remember this FEMA trick, fake reporters at a fake press conference hyping FEMA's alleged excellent work? Psyops is part of the job.

http://www.alternet.org/blogs/peek/66255/fema_staffers_posed_as_reporters_at_their_own_press_conference/

FEMA Staffers Posed As Reporters at Their Own Press Conference

Posted by Matt Corley at 12:00 PM on October 26, 2007.

Matt Corley: The Washington Post reports, "Something didn’t seem right. The reporters were lobbing too many softballs."

This post, written by Matt Corley, originally appeared on Think Progress

On Tuesday, while "wildfires raged" in California, Vice Adm. Harvey E. Johnson, the deputy administrator of the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA), held a press conference at FEMA's Southwest D.C. offices that was "carried live on Fox News, MSNBC and other outlets." In the presser, Johnson said he was "very happy with FEMA's response" while praising "the good messaging" of federal and local government responders.

But if the questions lobbed at Johnson seemed a bit like softballs, that's because they were asked by FEMA employees posing as journalists. The Washington Post's Al Kamen reports:

We're told the questions were asked by Cindy Taylor, FEMA's deputy director of external affairs, and by "Mike" Widomski, the deputy director of public affairs. Director of External Affairs John "Pat" Philbin asked a question, and another came, we understand, from someone who sounds like press aide Ali Kirin.

Watch a segment of Fox News' coverage of the presser, which never mentions the FEMA stage handling to your right.

Though FEMA told Kamen that "the staff did not make up the questions," the press briefing was filled with softball questions and opportunities for Johnson to praise the FEMA's response to the disaster, contrasting it with the agency's performance during Hurricane Katrina. Kamen writes:

[S]omething didn't seem right. The reporters were lobbing too many softballs. No one asked about trailers with formaldehyde for those made homeless by the fires. And the media seemed to be giving Johnson all day to wax on and on about FEMA's greatness.

Considering FEMA gave reporters "only 15 minutes' notice of the briefing," it gives off the perception that they didn't want reporters to show up and ask questions that would disrupt the agency's propaganda performance.

[MinM]

So far I can only find the short clip with the Harley Guy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wf-qWfT6IAM


But here's a couple of You Tube links of other people Rick Leventhal interviewed that morning. So all together they give us some context. Especially, since Rick seems to be in on the deal. He's the one people should be hounding.

One thing to note is that as often as possible, Rick does try to get the person to give their name for the record. Why didn't he do that with the Harley Guy? It would be good to find a more complete clip of that interview.

Another interesting tidbit - Rick Leventhal was at the corner of Murray and Church. That's the same corner the jet engine landed on.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYB8WZimGnU

Officer Granowsky (sp?)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_YkQbVizC7k

Arthur Angel

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lx3siO6Xrik


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_AfTyOyKEEQ

Funny, Rick sure didn't want to continue talking to this guy.

Looking at all those YouTube links brings to mind what a relatively new phenomenon that 'the YouTube' is.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/YouTube

My guess is that if Harley guy is/was a paid actor? That nobody at the time counted on this clip being dissected to the Nth degree that it has.

This would just be one more small piece of a much larger effort aimed at selling the official myth before melting into the subconscious. No questions asked.

[MacCruiskeen]

Um, it really is the case that disaster management includes managing the public to prevent panic and ensure reactions that allow first responders to work or prevent a pandemic from spreading etc.

Um. Precisely how did Harley-shirt-guy achieve that difficult task of "preventing panic" ? The news that airplanes alone can bring skyscrapers down within an hour must have been deeply relaxing to New Yorkers on the very morning of That Fateful Day.

The guy was a FEMA-type shill doing his job. Guaranteed.

Um. Being inordinately media-critical, I'd like to see that guarantee before I buy that statement. If you don't mind.

Um.