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Will this become another great perversity by the Obama administration?
The Obama administration is considering a change in the law for the military commissions at the prison at Guantánamo Bay, Cuba, that would clear the way for detainees facing the death penalty to plead guilty without a full trial.
The provision could permit military prosecutors to avoid airing the details of brutal interrogation techniques. It could also allow the five detainees who have been charged with the Sept. 11 attacks to achieve their stated goal of pleading guilty to gain what they have called martyrdom.
The military law forbids death penalties based solely on guilty pleas for two good reasons:
the guilty plea could be coerced
the guilty plea could be way for people who are not guilty to commit a form of suicide.
Such has happened for example in the case of the Beatrice Six four of which had falsely confessed in a rape and murder case and were later exonerated through DNA analysis.
In the case of Guantanamo prisoners both points may very well apply.
Our new authoritarian corporate state, our declining empire, was built on using force against anything in its path, whether it be directly, as with the red Indians or by Israeli proxy against the Palestinians. There is simply no way to "work within the system" and do that. The system IS the problem.
In addition, our civic religion of American exceptionalism and the capitalist commodification of our national consciousness through media has made revolution rather inconceivable, don't you think?
... Darkness in America cannot come quickly enough to suit much of the rest of the world, I can tell you from personal experience. But I don't kid myself about the significance of these slight national improvements, in the big picture. The same elites still have all the guns and money around this ailing planet.
... But the process sure as hell ain't gonna be pretty.
justdrew wrote:I know, I know, but I think it may be he's doing the best that can be done under the circumstances. Has any government ever prosecuted it own previous "democratically elected" government officials for war crimes while much of the electorate still supports those war crimes? Never been done in history. It may well be we won't be able to do it either. Time will tell. Personally I'd be happy to move right into civil war if necessary to ensure an end to the mentality that ruled with the bush years and still threatens to come back with asshats like newt 'surounded-by-pagans' gingrich, but we all know that must not happen. so... ? pragmatism baby, pragmatism; and compromise and sucking it up and moving on.
justdrew wrote:I know, I know, but I think it may be he's doing the best that can be done under the circumstances.
ninakat wrote:justdrew wrote:I know, I know, but I think it may be he's doing the best that can be done under the circumstances.
And just what exactly are "the circumstances"? Oh, let me guess, all the terrible stuff he inherited from the Bush Administration.BILL MOYERS: But many people will say of course, the truth, which is he inherited a quagmire from the Bush administration. What's he to do?
But hey, let's just suck it up and move on.
JEREMY SCAHILL: Well, there's no question that Obama inherited an absolute mess from President Bush. But the reality is that Obama is escalating the war in Afghanistan right now. And is maintaining the occupation of Iraq. If Obama was serious about fully ending the occupation of Iraq, he wouldn't allow the U.S. to have a colonial fortress that they're passing off as an embassy in Baghdad. Bill, this place is the size of 80 football fields. Who do you think is going to run the security operation for this 80 football field sized embassy? Well, it's mercenary contractors.
BILL MOYERS: So we're supposed to be withdrawing from Iraq. But you're suggesting, in all that you've written, that I've read lately, that we will be leaving a large mercenary force there.
JEREMY SCAHILL: Absolutely. In fact, you're going to have a sizable presence, not only of U.S. forces, certainly in the region, but also in Iraq. These residual forces... I mean, Bill, you remember, during Vietnam, the people who were classified as military advisors. Or analysts. And, in reality, the U.S. was fighting an undeclared war. So, in Iraq, I think that we've seen reports from Jim Miklaszewski, NBC News' Pentagon correspondent. He's quoting military sources saying that they expect to be in Iraq 15 to 20 years in sizable numbers. Afghanistan, though, really is going to become Obama's war. And, unfortunately, many Democrats are portraying it as the good war.
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I think I'm going to be sick.
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That's some catch, that Catch 22.
The other relevant scene from the novel is when the old Italian man (108 years old) tells the 21-year old Lt. that the secret to a long and happy life is to surrender, not fight.
To bend.
To not get in uniform, not get in line, not march with the masses, not stand in the ranks, not espouse the public goal.
To live instead like a knife cutting through water, leaving no trace of yourself while simply being yourself. The young Lt. may not see the next sunset, while the old man has lived the one day given to him, day by day, for 108 years.
Most people can't do it. Human beings live in stories, in myths about nationhood, heritage, generational accomplishments, ethnicity, in sports teams if nothing else. Most of us are eager to stand up and be a part of history, to fight for truth, justice, and a sacred cause larger than our life, to make our mark in this world, to make a difference, to be somebody, to do some thing.
When the only thing you can ever possibly have any control over is yourself, inside your own skin.
Ozymandias in the end was just a man. Though he reportedly shook the heavens and the earth, no trace of it remains. What he took to eternity was who he was, not what he did. Not the slightest speck of any mountain he moved, not the smallest coin nor thread of cloth went along with him to wherever he went.
None of those things were taken. None of those things remain.
It's hard to leave off the story, the country, the cause that appeals to you, and to care nothing about all that.
In the eight years of daily heartbreak of the Bush years now past, I went from grieving for my lost America, to a white hot rage to rescue it, to a determination to change it, to a cold examination of its core deceits.
And there has been a divorce. I've no respect or regard remaining for America's story, for its birth or history, for its government, its leaders, its various wars, or for its aims around the world today. It is not my story or my country even though I live here.
Like the majority of Americans, much has been taken from me in these eight years, and as I watch the fledgling Obama Administration service the robber barons assiduously instead of the people I perceive that even more will be taken.
But I also perceive that these taken things are just things. Job, career, savings, property, pride, prospects, patriotism, optimism, health care, community, anger, shame, love of country. These things that I once thought moved heaven and Earth are gone now.
Like so many Americans, I am standing here in my skin, with no particular loyalty to the nation that robs me, that abuses me, that uses me and then sends along a bill for its services. I won't be paying that bill, and they cannot collect it without taking my very skin, which I aim to keep.
Like so many Americans, I am 'paddling to Sweden' as Orr did in the novel -- I am getting up every morning and doing what is sane and effective to escape a mad and maddening situation, to escape with my skin. My bank is a mattress, my income is barter and black market, my taxes are nought. My interest in the blogs, news, and headlines is to dodge what's coming next, not to fight it, espouse it, worry about it, or live in it.
The oligarchs atop our nation do not grasp how very many Americans don't live in America any longer even though we live right here. How very many of us see that the Dream was only ever possible for 10% of us, and that those 10% have got theirs but good, and have no further concern for the rest of us, or for other nations, or for the planet.
They've virtually left the country. So have we. Catch 22 -- no one lives in America any longer. Some live above it, while most live below it. The Dream is increasingly unoccupied.
The 10% of wealthy Villagers atop America will happily leave the rest of us shivering in our skins, if it keeps them living in their story. In their country. The country they won, that they stole fair and square so they can live happily ever after.
Or until we come for them.
Posted by: Antifa | Feb 19, 2009 9:20:56 AM | 2
President Barack Obama promised Monday to deliver more than 600,000 jobs through his $787 billion stimulus plan this summer, with federal agencies pumping billions into public works projects, schools and summer youth programs.
Obama is ramping up his stimulus program this week even as his advisers are ramping down expectations about when the spending plan will affect a continuing rise in the nation’s unemployment.
Many of the stimulus plans that Obama announced Monday already were in the works, including hundreds of maintenance projects at military bases, about 1,600 state road and airport improvements, and federal money states budgeted for 135,000 teachers, principals and school support staff.
The administration had always viewed the summer as a peak for stimulus spending, as better weather permitted more public works construction and federal agencies had processed requests from states and others.
But Obama now promises an accelerated pace of federal spending over the next few months to boost the economy and produce jobs.
“We have a long way to go on our road to recovery but we are going the right way,” Obama said in a written statement prepared for his public announcement of the additional summer stimulus activity. “Our measure of progress is the progress the American people see in their own lives. And until that progress is steady and solid, we’re going to keep moving forward. We will not grow complacent or rest. Surely and steadily, we will turn this economy around,” the statement said.
Third Reich
Main article: Nazi Germany
Having secured supreme political power, Hitler went on to gain public support by convincing most Germans he was their savior from the economic Depression, the Versailles treaty, communism, the "Judeo-Bolsheviks", and other "undesirable" minorities. The Nazis eliminated opposition through a process known as Gleichschaltung ("bringing into line").
Economy and culture
Hitler oversaw one of the greatest expansions of industrial production and civil improvement Germany had ever seen, mostly based on debt flotation and expansion of the military. Nazi policies toward women strongly encouraged them to stay at home to bear children and keep house. In a September 1934 speech to the National Socialist Women's Organization, Adolf Hitler argued that for the German woman her "world is her husband, her family, her children, and her home." This policy was reinforced by bestowing the Cross of Honor of the German Mother on women bearing four or more babies. The unemployment rate was cut substantially, mostly through arms production and sending women home so that men could take their jobs. Given this, claims that the German economy achieved near full employment are at least partly artifacts of propaganda from the era. Much of the financing for Hitler's reconstruction and rearmament came from currency manipulation by Hjalmar Schacht, including the clouded credits through the Mefo bills.
1934 Nuremberg rally
Hitler also oversaw one of the largest infrastructure-improvement campaigns in German history, with the construction of dozens of dams, autobahns, railroads, and other civil works. Hitler's policies emphasised the importance of family life: men were the "breadwinners", while women's priorities were to lie in bringing up children and in household work. This revitalising of industry and infrastructure came at the expense of the overall standard of living, at least for those not affected by the chronic unemployment of the later Weimar Republic, since wages were slightly reduced in pre-World War II years, despite a 25% increase in the cost of living.[57] Laborers and farmers, the traditional voters of the NSDAP, however, saw an increase in their standard of living.
justdrew wrote:I know, I know, but I think it may be he's doing the best that can be done under the circumstances. Has any government ever prosecuted it own previous "democratically elected" government officials for war crimes while much of the electorate still supports those war crimes? Never been done in history. It may well be we won't be able to do it either. Time will tell. Personally I'd be happy to move right into civil war if necessary to ensure an end to the mentality that ruled with the bush years and still threatens to come back with asshats like newt 'surounded-by-pagans' gingrich, but we all know that must not happen. so... ? pragmatism baby, pragmatism; and compromise and sucking it up and moving on.
Nordic wrote:justdrew wrote:I know, I know, but I think it may be he's doing the best that can be done under the circumstances. Has any government ever prosecuted it own previous "democratically elected" government officials for war crimes while much of the electorate still supports those war crimes? Never been done in history. It may well be we won't be able to do it either. Time will tell. Personally I'd be happy to move right into civil war if necessary to ensure an end to the mentality that ruled with the bush years and still threatens to come back with asshats like newt 'surounded-by-pagans' gingrich, but we all know that must not happen. so... ? pragmatism baby, pragmatism; and compromise and sucking it up and moving on.
With all due respect, bull fucking shit.
Especially with regard to things like mountaintop removal. That's not something that you cannot fight, like going up against the MIC and the CIA. You tell your EPA administrator to just say "NO". That's what you do. You tell the fuckers "no".
Unless you're a lying sack of shit who lied to get into power, and now you want to reveal your true self.
He did mention "clean coal" the night he won. I remember the red flag going up there. "Clean coal" is a goddamn lie.
He knows it's a lie. He's not stupid.
The man's just another corporatist, he's starting to make Clinton look like Paul Wellstone.
He's starting to make Ronald Reagan look liberal.
Fuck Obama.
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