2 Japnse natls. arrsted w/ $134 Billion in bonds into Swtzld

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Postby StarmanSkye » Thu Jun 18, 2009 8:05 pm

Very puzzling alright. Even if, as seems most likely, these Federal Reserve and Kennedy Bonds althoughb fakes aren't forgeries because there ARE no real Treasury and Kennedy bonds, it would seem there should be ample national if not international statutes against intent to commit economic defraud, and illicit transport for the intent of fraud, as evident in the concealment and non-declaration of these apparently bogus instruments.

So what's the scoop?

MAYBE these couriers were part of a protected state-sponsored covert intel sting or entrapment ops, by a major G7 nation? Or even a private intel op with plenty of grease & influence? Or the Italian state was bribed, blackmailed or strong-armed to 'let' this incident fade-away?

The following LA Times article, for its seeming attempt to shed light, leaves more questions than answers. All it really does is report that officials could quickly see the instruments are fake, but provides absoultely NO discussion of the legal issues involved, what the disposition of the smugglers are, speculation over what they had intended, or ANYTHING, really -- which added to the bizarre lack of mainstream reporting on this story, leaves a huge mystery that smells kinda 'spooky'.

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Smuggled $134 billion in T-bonds are fakes, U.S. says
1:20 PM, June 18, 2009

Speculation about the Italian smuggling case involving $134 billion in purported U.S. Treasury bonds may have been fun while it lasted, but the Treasury Department says today the bonds are bogus.


"They’re obvious fakes," said Steve Meyerhardt, a spokesman for the Treasury's Bureau of Public Debt in Washington.

Two Japanese men were detained by Italian authorities last week after they were caught trying to enter Switzerland with what appeared to be $134 billion in U.S. Treasury bonds in a suitcase.

As I noted in this post on Wednesday, conspiracy theories have run wild in the blogosphere based on the few details that had emerged about the case -- and because mainstream media had largely ignored the story.

Meyerhardt said Treasury authorities could see immediately from photos of the bonds that they were doctored.

What’s more, the package of bonds was said to include "Kennedy" bonds worth $1 billion each. "There is no such thing as a Kennedy bond," Meyerhardt said.

Most important, the total of Treasury paper "bearer" bonds outstanding is a mere $105 million, he said. The Treasury has been issuing bonds solely in electronic form since 1986, although a relative handful of investors never bothered to convert their bearer bonds to electronic form.

And yes, I realize that there’s probably nothing Treasury can say to satisfy people who believe that there’s something more sinister going on here.

The big question, still, is what the apparent forgerers hoped to do with the paper.

-- Tom Petruno

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A couple of the comments to this 'story' are quite intriguing. I read the following just AFTER I began thinking WHY this story has recieved such little MSM reporting -- What IF there are quite a few of these bonds floating around, being 'sold' by apparently legit brokers on behalf of the FED or other major banks, and being held by nations, governments and other big players who 'think' they are real securities. The guys peddling this crap sure don't want any suspicious questions being raised or unwelcome attention suggesting there may be trillions $ of this junk floating around -- could start a run, and get VERY messy.

OR: What if one sneaky plan for 'resolving' the huge foreign debt, is for the FED to claim many instruments are counterfeit, thus non-negotiable.
Could have the same effect if word got out.


Aaron posted, in comments to the LA Times story:
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I'm betting these bonds are fake. Further, this is a meme-planting operation. Think about it. If these bonds exist out there, off the books, the US does not want to have anybody calling them in right now (since they might be bearer bonds). Better plant a few stories of fakes, in case anyone tries to cash in before the dollar tanks. That's an easy way to default on your debt - state that a large tranche of debt is "forged". I have read reports (Weisenthal) that the two people involved were released, which makes me think they had some serious connections.

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Pietro Cambi from Crisis posted:
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Hello.
Well, I have the dubious luck to have been the first to propagate this strange news to the web via my well known blog (at least here in Italy), Crisis what Crisis.
From the other Italian bloggers the news arrived in the international mainstram and from there to asia knews etc etc.
First of all: it is NOT an hoax or, as we italians say a "bufala".
It is plain truth and a HUGE plot, for a LE-Carre' Style spy story, for sure.
You could find tne news on the site of the guardia di finanza in italy.
But we, of Crisis have done more. We first checked it.
My co-blogger the italian journalist Debora Billi had a short interview with the frontier-police Chief who caught the two people.
He confirmed ALL the story, said that the 10 "kennedy bonds", issued in 1934, where probably false but he was not shure about the other 249 500 millions bonds. The teo japanese weere realised because he was NOT convinced that the titles were false and in italy you are only fined for illegally exporting valuable goods. the jail is only if you have FALSE titles.
Now as now in Italy there is a COMPLETE cover-up of this piece of news.
Main Media had a short notice about that the day it happened and then...silence.
This only being..Quite strange, given the peculiar status of media in Italy...you know what i mean.
It would be nice, by the way, to know if President Obama and President Berlusconi have talken about the issue or not...


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Andre posted:

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have been following this story since it broke and it have bene very frustrated by the lack of coverage in the press.

Whether the bonds are real or fake it is a huge story.With all the pressure the dollar is currently under this kind of thing has very big implications.

Why has it not been covered by a US news organizations?This very brief LA Times blog is the only thing I have seen in the US media. After all these are US bonds!

If the story itself is not a hoax, this is a huge lapse on the part of tour press. I guess they are too busy covering Susan Boyle.

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And tantalyzing speculation from Market Oracle by Global Research, in much the same vein, ie., managing dollar fears, thrown in with a lotta off-the-wall Wuzzup?:

http://marketoracle.co.uk/Article11403.html
June 18

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Two Japanese men are detained in Italy after allegedly attempting to take $134 billion worth of U.S. bonds over the border into Switzerland. Details are maddeningly sketchy, so naturally the global rumor mill is kicking into high.

Are these would-be smugglers agents of Kim Jong Il stashing North Korea’s cash in a Swiss vault? Bagmen for Nigerian Internet scammers? Was the money meant for terrorists looking to buy nuclear warheads? Is Japan dumping its dollars secretly? Are the bonds real or counterfeit?

The implications of the securities being legitimate would be bigger than investors may realize. At a minimum, it would suggest that the U.S. risks losing control over its monetary supply on a massive scale.

The trillions of dollars of debt the U.S. will issue in the next couple of years needs buyers. Attracting them will require making sure that existing ones aren’t losing faith in the U.S.’s ability to control the dollar.

The dollar is, for better or worse, the core of our world economy and it’s best to keep it stable. News that’s more fitting for international spy novels than the financial pages won’t help that effort. It is incumbent upon the U.S. Treasury to get to the bottom of this tale and keep markets informed.

On his blog, the Market Ticker, Karl Denninger wonders if the Treasury “has been surreptitiously issuing bonds to, say, Japan, as a means of financing deficits that someone didn’t want reported over the last, oh, say 10 or 20 years.”

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Postby smiths » Thu Jun 18, 2009 9:31 pm

"They’re obvious fakes,"


There is something truly “off” about this declaration. How can the quality of the forged bearer bonds be so meticulous that they “are indistinguishable from the real ones”, yet the people involved in the alleged forgery so ill-informed as to not date the bearer bonds with a more recent year that would not immediately identify them as fraudulent? How hard would it have been to date the bearer bonds with a more recent year? An equivalent analogy would be if an expert art forger meticulously re-created a Picasso oil canvas and then erroneously signed the work with the wrong artist’s name.

Though the smugglers have been identified in the press as “Japanese nationals” there has yet to be any confirmation if the smugglers were indeed Japanese or of some other ethnicity. How difficult is it to confirm the ethnicity of the smugglers and why is this information being kept secret?

Why would expert counterfeiters make 249 bearer bonds with denominations of $500 million apiece, each indistinguishable from the real thing, and then instead of just making 20 more such bonds, decide to make 10 bonds in denominations of $1 billion a piece in a bearer bond design that has never existed? Were the alleged counterfeiters just too lazy to confirm if Kennedy bearer bonds were ever a legitimately issued security? Again, this story makes no sense.

On March 30, 2009, the US Treasury Department announced that USD $134.5 billion remained in its Troubled Asset Relief Program [TARP]. The stated amount of seized bearer bonds was $134.5 billion. Coincidence?

Given that the discovery of $134.5 billion of bearer bonds in the suitcases of two Japanese nationals in Chiasso, Italy on the border of Switzerland qualifies as one of the largest smuggling operations in history, and given the various implications of such an act and the possible players involved, the silence regarding this huge story is simply stunning.

http://seekingalpha.com/article/143462- ... nd-mystery
the question is why, who, why, what, why, when, why and why again?
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Postby justdrew » Thu Jun 18, 2009 10:12 pm

this STILL hasn't been tied to NESRA/Leo Wanta. I'm shocked! :shock:
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Postby freemason9 » Thu Jun 18, 2009 10:51 pm

But why $134 billion? That kind of paper isn't exactly negotiable. The people that would have the means to negotiate it would know immediately that it was bogus.

This makes no sense at all.
The real issue is that there is extremely low likelihood that the speculations of the untrained, on a topic almost pathologically riddled by dynamic considerations and feedback effects, will offer anything new.
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Postby justdrew » Thu Jun 18, 2009 11:02 pm

freemason9 wrote:But why $134 billion? That kind of paper isn't exactly negotiable. The people that would have the means to negotiate it would know immediately that it was bogus.

This makes no sense at all.


Maybe they planned something like... "look, we represent a certain Asian government and we really really want to unload some of these bonds, we _have to_ for some reason, urgent need for liquid non-dollar funds... but we can't do it openly for a variety of good reasons... so... we rounded up all the old bearer bonds we had and hope to liquidate them at say, dimes on the dollar and possibly in non-us-currency also. Your job will be to find a host of investors who trust you and will take YOUR word on the soundness of this deal. You then hold these bonds as collateral and we promise to come back in five years and buy these back at a good profit to you and your investors."

then one day... they never come back. and they only had to sucker one guy, who they perhaps ALREADY knew was corupt, running a ponzi or some such, and so if he didn't want to be suckered, could be blackmailed.

Heck, it's a good plan really.
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Postby Jeff » Thu Jun 18, 2009 11:05 pm

justdrew wrote:this STILL hasn't been tied to NESRA/Leo Wanta. I'm shocked! :shock:


Wanta wants $27 trillion. He doesn't get out of bed for less than $500 billion.
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Postby freemason9 » Thu Jun 18, 2009 11:05 pm

justdrew wrote:
freemason9 wrote:But why $134 billion? That kind of paper isn't exactly negotiable. The people that would have the means to negotiate it would know immediately that it was bogus.

This makes no sense at all.


Maybe they planned something like... "look, we represent a certain Asian government and we really really want to unload some of these bonds, we _have to_ for some reason, urgent need for liquid non-dollar funds... but we can't do it openly for a variety of good reasons... so... we rounded up all the old bearer bonds we had and hope to liquidate them at say, dimes on the dollar and possibly in non-us-currency also. Your job will be to find a host of investors who trust you and will take YOUR word on the soundness of this deal. You then hold these bonds as collateral and we promise to come back in five years and buy these back at a good profit to you and your investors."

then one day... they never come back. and they only had to sucker one guy, who they perhaps ALREADY knew was corupt, running a ponzi or some such, and so if he didn't want to be suckered, could be blackmailed.

Heck, it's a good plan really.


If you say so, JD. It's over my head.
The real issue is that there is extremely low likelihood that the speculations of the untrained, on a topic almost pathologically riddled by dynamic considerations and feedback effects, will offer anything new.
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Postby smiths » Fri Jun 19, 2009 12:03 am

the truth, is we only think they are fakes cos some treasury stooge says so, that in itself is worth nothing, personally i think they are fakes though

js kim on the link i put on before suggested they intended to be caught,

fake or not the effect is the same, the continued undermining of the US dollar and debt as structurally sound,
thats why its missing from US/UK media for the most part,

since the US/UK have the most to lose its obvious where this comes from,
it also occurred during the Shanghai Co-op week,

it was a message i think; the numbers, the weird kennedy bonds that stand out for a billion each
the question is why, who, why, what, why, when, why and why again?
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Postby Ben D » Fri Jun 19, 2009 5:21 am

ftalphaville.ft.com/blog
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Now, the plot thickens - like a lumpy and rather unappetising stew - with an FT report on Friday that Italian and US secret services working together concluded the bills and and accompanying documents are “most probably” counterfeited, and most likely the handiwork of the Italian Mafia.
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Postby Fat Lady Singing » Fri Jun 19, 2009 7:28 am

Here's some baseless speculation: These notes aren't official currency of any sort, but neither are they fakes. Perhaps they are some sort of black market currency, and only the criminal elite use them. Perhaps the associated dollar amount, which sounds huge to us, isn't that much in this black market currency, so that's why two stooges with false-bottomed suitcases were carrying it. The notes are sort of like cigarettes in jail.

And, while I'm exercising my wild imagination, how about this: the use of this currency originated with the Korean scam. Since criminals observed that, despite the illegitimacy of the notes, they were able to dupe folks into giving them legit cash by flashing them, they have decided that they have worth. At this point, later in the timeline of the life of these notes, they could be using it much as any regular currency, which is, essentially, symbolic. You know, two Kennedys will get you two truckloads of AKs, or two tons of heroin, or who knows, maybe two "get out of jail free" cards.

Gee, if this isn't the case, it should be. Where can I contact a member of the criminal elite so I can pitch this idea?
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Postby Stephen Morgan » Fri Jun 19, 2009 9:02 am

Fat Lady might be onto something. It sounds like the "fake" million dollar gold certificates which James Shelby Downard believed were prized at least at their face value in the Illuminist/ritualist underground.
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Postby rrapt » Fri Jun 19, 2009 1:23 pm

smiths: "..personally i think they are fakes though."

Probably so, but does it matter? Per Fat Lady and Mr. Morgan, mere possession of such dazzling documents is worth money. Collateral anyway, which is just as good; just not their full face value.

It can be easily argued that (all) US currency is fake too, being backed up by the "full faith and credit of us overextended indebted poor folks" and only that.
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Postby StarmanSkye » Fri Jun 19, 2009 4:28 pm

Cryptogon's reporting is the most thorough on this June 3 story, IMO -- esp. re: the essential fact the 249 $500 million US bonds were 'Federal Reserve Bonds'. This from 2 independant, direct translations of the Italian Financial Police webblog of June 4, one translation of the Asia News Italy of June 8, among the earliest and most local reports made; Subsequent stories from Japan, Europe and the US tend to become careless in reporting these bonds as mostly or exclusively 'Treasury bonds' or even 'Treasury Bills' and 'T-bills'. Is this just sloppy reporting, or deliberate obfuscation? That Italy released the apparant couriors strongly suggests there's much more to this story that we'll probably never know, such as that this may have been a sophisticated sting operation, perhaps to entrap criminals willing to broker hot cash for untraceable bearer bonds, and a little too desperate and full-of-themselves to require verification and full disclosure.

http://cryptogon.com/?p=9095
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Some more intriguing comments below:

http://www.businessinsider.com/is-the-m ... aly-2009-6
From Comments:
diablo said:
Jun. 18, 6:27 PM
ggm

Under the U. S. Code, Title 18, Part I, Chapter 25, Section 514 these things fall under the heading Fictitious Obligations, and is a Class B felony. Note that intent to defraud has to be proven.

I have no idea where they would fall under Italian law.
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@diablo

U. S. Code, Title 18, Part I, Chapter 25, Section 514 involves the use of “Sight Drafts,” also known as Bills of Exchange, which resemble bank cashier’s checks to defraud financial institutions or the IRS. A Sight Draft is a customer's order to a financial institution holding the customer's funds to pay all or part of them to another institution in which the customer has another account. The draft is payable upon delivery to the first institution, or "upon sight.".

That statute does not apply here. These were fake bearer bonds. Walking around with a fake bond is not a crime in and of itself. Trying to pass the fake bonds off as real would have been a crime.

The charge here, if any, will be leveled against the organization or individual who conned these two Japanese men into buying the fake bonds. It's like the Nigerian Prince scam. A sucker is born every minute.
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Diablo said:
ggm

Not that it matters much, but it still would fall under 18 I 25, right? I read somewhere that there are 45 categories of counterfeits and forgeries.

But in essence the same thing has to be proven that these fake bonds were used with intent to defraud. There was a case in Denver in 2002 where the accused were acquitted because in their defense they claimed they were trying to sell them (to undercover agents) as historical documents, not as redeemable bonds. So the government couldn't prove intent to defraud but that's all I can infer from news reports. They must have found a good lawyer or ICE or the US DA screwed up. (The Denver guys had $250 billion to dispose of and that was a big yawn for the U. S. media, except the local media).

BTW, I don't believe these guys were conned, but that they were just part of a distribution chain. But the way Italy is handling this case leads me to believe that we will never know. In Italy you can't just "follow the money" up the chain without greatly endangering your life, no matter who you are.

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diablo said:
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Nick,

That's not the way the scams work. In Spain they just got 2 victims with $16 billion "worth" of these fake bonds. The victims paid the con men some amount in five figures to help them cash the bonds. And I bet the con men were working on contingency. Of course the con men disappeared, and the victims attempted to cash the bonds by themselves.

So the con men make up stories to get rid of this paper for real pennies on the fake dollar. Each story is fine tuned to the mark. The scams work and are global in reach.

Here's a San Diego story from 2004. It's great reading:

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/metr ... bonds.html

Take someone who easily believes in conspiracy theories and is extremely greedy, and you have a mark. (ravis drop me a line, I found something very interesting in my dead uncle's attic, a veteran of WWII in the Pacific. It has something to do with a crashed CIA plane in the Philippines from the 1930s on a top secret banking mission to China.)

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http://troyounce.blogspot.com/2009/06/a ... ds-15.html
What the heck is going on?

Again "Fake" Bonds: Japanese Bonds @ 15 Billion € Confiscated in Italy

Voce di Italia

Como - 15 miliardi di euro in bond giapponesi sono stati sequestrati alla dogana turistica di Brogeda ad un 55enne imprenditore romano che li stava portando in Ticino attraverso il valico di Chiasso. La Procura di Como sta indagando sulla provenienza dei titoli di stato nipponici sequestrati dalla Guardia di finanza. L'ambasciata di Tokyo a Roma, interessata dal pm lariano, avrebbe mostrato seri dubbi sull'autenticità dei titoli in yen. 18/6/2009

Translation ex-Google: Como - 15 billion Euro in Japanese bonds have been seized at customs tourist Brogeda 55enne a Roman businessman who was brought in through the pass Ticino Chiasso. The Como prosecutor is investigating the origin of Japanese bonds were seized by the Guardia di Finanza. The embassy in Tokyo in Rome, concerned by lariano pm, would seriously doubt the authenticity of the securities in yen.
18/6/2009
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Who could ever IMAGINE? ANOTHER bond-caper, in Italy of all places?

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And:

Interesting -- Max Keiser's take below is that these bonds, whether genuine or not, are part of an informal, secret scheme to allow the Swiss Bank of International Settlements to meet it's required debt-equity liquidity reserve requirement under BASIL 2 for the quarter -- strictly smoke-and-mirrors trickery to satisfy the banking 'rules'. He also suggests these instruments are accounting mechanisms, they may be part of the result of the recent run-up of the huge derivatives market, which basically is numbers 'magic' for which there is no effective tracking.

These instruments for all practical intensts and purposes are non-negotiable in all but extremely limited, likely pre-arranged contexts that function purely as an off-the-books accounting mechanism, like 'markers' and strictly for cosmetic purposes. At least, that's what I get. Odd he refers to these bonds as 'T-bills', and doesn't remark on the 'fact' reported early but usually ignored or overlooked in subsequent reports, that the 500 billion dollar instruments were Federal Reserve Bonds -- which don't exist, despite some discussion late last year the Fed was thinking about buying securities and selling their own bonds, hasn't moved beyond the consideration phase -- as far as 'we' know, anyway.

So in this sense, these bonds may be the result of a complete lack of regulatory transparency, in that global banking occurs under layers of secrecy. The near-complete lack of significant information and failure of Italian authorities to hold or charge the Japanese Nationals who were couriors strongly suggests a massive, ongoing financial fraud at the core of the world's central bank system.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZbTWAx7 ... re=related

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And for what it's worth -- The evidently rightwing disinfo-laden pro-US Venezuela-based VHeadline blog rolled the 135 billion dollar bond 'incident' into claims that the Mafia and corrupt Venezuelan Banking officials are involved, citing a 1 $billion bond scam for which three people were arrested in Venezuela last month. Clever viral marketting, or what?
http://www.vheadline.com/readnews.asp?id=80932
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Italian officials, while pointing out that hauls of counterfeit money and Treasury bills were not unusual, were stunned by the amount involved. Investigators are looking into the origin and destination of the fakes. Italian prosecutors revealed last month that they had cracked a $1 billion bond scam run by the Sicilian Mafia, with the alleged aid of corrupt officials in Venezuela's Central Bank. Twenty people were arrested in four countries. The fake bonds were to have been used as collateral to open credit lines with banks, Reuters news agency reported. The Venezuelan central bank denied the accusations.
http://money.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=827388
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Postby seemslikeadream » Fri Jun 19, 2009 5:57 pm

all bonds are counterfeit Image

On the Edge with Max Keiser - 19 June 2009
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Postby orz » Fri Jun 19, 2009 7:22 pm

read title as "Japanese Nazis"
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