Jani's at the mercy of her mind

[agitprop]

What's that in response to, chiggerbit?

And what point are you intending to make with it?

(I had posted it already, by the way, with comments.)

Are you the cop on the beat here? Some people seem to be having problems with your emotion laden, critically impaired point of view.

[chiggerbit]

A six year old who has been structurally convinced she is an utter failure has a tantrum when she does something that feels like it has let her parent down and he universalizes this into her moral awareness?

One example of that last bit is when she freaks out at the eye doctor and has a tantrum. He narrates her mind, suggesting that she erroneously feels that getting a letter wrong on an eyetest represents her sense of moral shame @ such a failure. Puh-fucking-lease

July 8, 2008: Claps hands, hops (tic-like); food can't touch; strips clothes off if she thinks they have a spot. Wants order and perfection in play, toys, stories

[lightningBugout]

God I've gotta get some work done today but...

In another way this kid just sounds like the latest, most extreme (following all those extreme sports drinks et al) version of the basic phenomena.

Kids are no longer healthy. Period. They are slathered with diagnoses of ADHD, Bipolar, Antisocial personality disorder, now schizophrenia.

But its often the same -- they are unbalanced, aggressive and wildly hyperactive. Hell, just check the comments on Januaryfirst.org to see all the parents commiserating.

And this trend is not simply about meds and the moral corruption of psychiatry. Remember that processed foods (you cannot underestimate the validity of this - shit is invented in laboratories), perpetual media saturation, plastic production (and its endocrine disruptor byproducts), full spectral electromagnetic manipulation, etc. etc. etc. has completely changed the world.

All of these factors and the many others not listed including the structure of contemporary nuclear family unit etc. form a valid control? My ass.

The more fucked up the world becomes and we continue to accept it as any sort of scientific control for lifestyle, psychology or psychiatry, the more madness we will see.

Its not rocket science.

On a gut level, we know that Jani is not some freak abnormality of the "most severe mental illness known to man" (as her creepy, pathological father simply relishes saying as though he has won some sort of award for hardest parenting gig "known to man) but part of a progressive mutation of the human child.

That's my last post on this. These flame wars are getting in the way too much.

[MacCruiskeen]

What's that in response to, chiggerbit?

And what point are you intending to make with it?

(I had posted it already, by the way, with comments.)

Are you the cop on the beat here?

No, I'm asking chiggerbit, whom I respect, a perfectly polite and justified question.

Now please finally stop wasting my time and everyone else's with your trolling. Thank you.

ON EDIT: Chiggerbit, you've now posted another four quotes, all of them unattributed, from different authors, without comment.

So I ask again: What point are you trying to make?

[agitprop]

Out with it, Nordic. Put your money where your mouth is. I want to see that evidence. And it better be good.

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Mac, How can Nordic put his money where his mouth is while simultaneously sitting on the fence? You want him to support his non position on the issue with concrete evidence? Are you out of YOUR mind?

The question was perfectly clear to anyone not cognitively impaired.

You are a buffoon as well as a brute. Stop wasting my time.

Your posts could help support the False Memory Syndrome Society for a good year. You do a huge disservice to children who really are suffering the tortures of the damned.

[lightningBugout]

Out with it, Nordic. Put your money where your mouth is. I want to see that evidence. And it better be good.

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Mac, How can Nordic put his money where his mouth is while simultaneously sitting on the fence? You want him to support his non position on the issue with concrete evidence? Are you out of YOUR mind?

The question was perfectly clear to anyone not cognitively impaired.

You are a buffoon as well as a brute. Stop wasting my time.

Your posts could help support the False Memory Syndrome Society for a good year. You do a huge disservice to children who really are suffering the tortures of the damned.

Huh? What in the flying fuck is that about? Mac has a letter in to the aging Alice Miller and is fighting for the recognition of a child's suffering. Not to mention the FMSF enjoys suggesting that adult survivors of incest are suffering from psychiatric mental illness that has generated their "false memories" (that is when not simply calling talk therapists a "new class of sex offender"). Not to mention that the FMSF is a front group to protect some of the early pioneers of experimental neuropsychiatry.

Nor to mention that the Freyds (the spirit animals of the FMSF) publicly claimed their brilliant highly successful daughter was suffering from organic dementia when she claimed to have been sexually abused by her father.
Get a fucking clue.

[justdrew]

The child will be in more danger if placed with people who don't love her. I didn't use the word rape, but can assure you that the incidence of sexual molestation is higher in the foster parent crowd, than the natural parent crowd, and even higher when the foster child is actively hallucinating. Predators come crawling out of the woodwork around people like that. The kids have zero credibility. Nothing I've said has been at all "outrageous", but you and your hysterical buddies seem to be able to believe anything that looks like it just might conform to your understanding of a very narrow spectrum of human interaction.

But keep on with the utter tosh. If there are people in the elite performing rituals and acting scenes right out of "Eyes Wide Shut"--they're laughing. You may as well be disinfo agents you're so effective at making the entire subject look silly.

yeah I really don't think you're right about that, most abusers are family or friends of the family. In a modern residential care facility, there's lots of people around, and cameras, and little chance for people to fiddle about. Most of the staff will be made up of mothers and some fathers who have little trouble loving every one of their charges and who are under much less stress. It's almost easy to give a child 24x7 attention when you've got a staff and work in four shifts.

your second graph is... well, if anything bringing up masked EWS elite perps makes this thread look silly, a thread which is engaged with reality rather firmly.

[agitprop]

What's that in response to, chiggerbit?

And what point are you intending to make with it?

(I had posted it already, by the way, with comments.)

Are you the cop on the beat here?

No, I'm asking chiggerbit, whom I respect, a question.

Now please finally stop wasting my time and everyone else's. Thank you.

I'm not wasting anyone's time. What is your real purpose here, to try to enlighten or be enlightened or to spread unnecessary paranoia in world already crumbling around the edges? The Dad has problems, like everyone else and he was saddled with a strange kid. He's doing the best he can. Did you watch the video of Jani? Notice the tics, the hand clapping? This is a neurological sign, not a psychological manifestation of "pain" provoked by her father. I've seen it in kids I've worked with who are asperger's, or autistic...not that that is her main problem. This isn't something that would be easy for a father to get a kid to do, unless he's somehow cuing her like Hans the clever horse.

You have to lighten up and quit attacking everyone with a different or more nuanced point of view. Advocates for the mentally ill, such as yourself, can be quite dangerous. You are doing the EXACT same thing that a psychiatrist with limited tools in his epistemological doctor's bag, does, forcing reality to conform to your beliefs.

[MacCruiskeen]

Did you watch the video of Jani? Notice the tics, the hand clapping? This is a neurological sign, not a psychological manifestation of "pain" provoked by her father.

She is very heavily medicated.

You are a troll, Agitprop. Go away.

[lightningBugout]

Um, are you trying to claim that tics are definitively purely physical symptom that is not responsive to psycho-social situations and intepersonal dynamics?

And, um, wtf is this shit about, doc:

I can assure you that the incidence of sexual molestation is higher in the foster parent crowd, than the natural parent crowd

If you have some sort of credential that allows you to "assure" us, please practice a bit of transparency and kindly explain.

And, uh, doubly so wtf about the following:

But keep on with the utter tosh. If there are people in the elite performing rituals and acting scenes right out of "Eyes Wide Shut"--they're laughing. You may as well be disinfo agents you're so effective at making the entire subject look silly.

Care to explain the sudden leap into Illuminati hokum?

[agitprop]

screwed up quotes

[lightningBugout]

On a per capita basis, a child, has a much higher chance of being abused in a residential facility or foster home.

If you have any expertise you know full well that the abuse rates of children abused in "intact" families are basically a complete unknown.

This isn't something that would be easy for a father to get a kid to do, unless he's somehow cuing her like Hans the clever horse.

Interesting that the preliminary mocking of RA is now being followed with a similar mocking of the use of NLP on children ("like Hans the clever horse").

And to put out the obvious - motor tics sometimes co-present with severe clinical depression.

[justdrew]

I've seen it in kids I've worked with who are asperger's, or autistic...not that that is her main problem. This isn't something that would be easy for a father to get a kid to do, unless he's somehow cuing her like Hans the clever horse.

those are likely CAUSED by the drugs. You work with kids agitprop? asperger's or autistic? Don't you know which? Where do you work with kids? generally - no identifiable specifics needed.

[chiggerbit]

Just pointing out that there seems to be some indication that the child has a perhaps unusual need for perfection, Mac. This may not have anything to do with her parents, but could possibly be a part of her condition. We simply do not have enough information to be having this ridiculous internet argument.

[agitprop]

Um, are you trying to claim that tics are definitively purely physical symptom that is not responsive to psycho-social situations and intepersonal dynamics?

And, um, wtf is this shit about, doc:

" I can assure you that the incidence of sexual molestation is higher in the foster parent crowd, than the natural parent crowd"

If you have some sort of credential that allows you to "assure" us, please practice a bit of transparency and kindly explain.

And, uh, doubly so wtf about the following:

But keep on with the utter tosh. If there are people in the elite performing rituals and acting scenes right out of "Eyes Wide Shut"--they're laughing. You may as well be disinfo agents you're so effective at making the entire subject look silly.

Care to explain the sudden leap into Illuminati hokum?

Depends on the tic. The ones I see on the video don't appear to be stress caused, though they may become more persistent with stress. Am I to understand that people apparently as suggestible as your seem to be, give no credence to the central them in Kubrick's movie, Eyes Wide Shut? I do. What annoys me about the kind of idiocy I see on this thread is the strong desire to see all demons radiating from the medical community while you ignore the cast of characters that are much higher up and inflicting real pain on the world, generally...because they can do whatever they want. Illuminati? Nah...Just a bunch of super wealthy and bored individuals, playing with sex and power.