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freemason9 wrote:I don't think you have much to worry about, chlamor. Between the fringe left and right wings, he's rapidly losing his popularity. The right wing is screaming "socialist," and the left wing is screaming "conservative." I now have doubts that Americans can manage to obtain even a modest national health care system (which is the very foundation of an economically free society).
I predict that you will get your wish, chlamor, and Obama's popularity will slide. Say hello to President Romney in 2012.
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When in reality the right-wing is Obama and the entire Obama administration, and everything about it. It's a brilliant bluff, really, a fascinating con job, where the feint, the distraction, is that the right-wingers are all pissed off, spitting curses in their corner, having had their asses handed to them, when in fact they are still running things behind the Obama halloween mask.
Crazy shit.
I really wish I could just ignore it all and go about my merry way and make a lot of money and just say "fuck all these stupid fuckers" and take their money somehow. I mean, why not?
What's that old saying about "it's immoral to let a sucker keep his money?" or something to that affect?
Corvidaerex wrote:I've been very happy with the Obama administration so far. And most voters seem to be with him, despite the weird foaming on the far right and the "you're not doing enough for me NOW" on the far left.
Little things are important. Appearances are important. The Obama family is setting a tone that is quite lovely and encouraging, just by being the Obama family. Do any of you know what it means to black people and Native Americans and our many "minority" ethnic groups in this country to see a happy, successful and loving family of color in the *white* house?
If we could focus our attention on just these past five months, we would be amazed to see the scope and reach of this new American government, how swiftly so many taboo (to the GOP leadership of 2001-2006 and the Bush administration) subjects have been brought to the Oval Office in the form of new executive orders and new congressional legislation.
Stem cell research, immediately stopping the torture, accepting California's mileage standards as the nation's (rather than suing California to stop those state environmental standards), halting a huge pile of last-minute destructive Bush Administration environmental policies, restoring foreign aid to family planning groups, overturning the anti equal-pay decision, authorizing the SCHIP health insurance for poor kids, dealt in a wise and adult way with threats/incidents from North Korea and Iran, is dealing with a wise and forward-looking way at Israel v. Palestine, has tremendously changed the world view of America (anybody catch that visit to Ghana today?), has launched an incredibly ambitious alternative-energy policy that is happening right now (especially in the Southwest, with solar and wind and geothermal), and is walking an intentionally non-confrontational line to get gays accepted in the military and actual health care for all Americans.
Scientists are thrilled with this presidency. Poets and artists are thrilled. Even proponents of organic farming and home gardens are thrilled.
We poison ourselves by listening to the fringe complainers about everything, and the entertainment/excitement broadcast news based on cheap daily thrills. The beloved Vietnamese peace activist and Zen monk Thich Nhat Hahn said very clearly in a recent podcast that Barack Obama is of the sangha, the community of people who aspire to live in calm yet engaged mindfulness with the world, who walk in peace upon the Earth.
Why did Thich Nhat Hahn say this? Because he sees in Obama a child of East meets West, black meets white, and a calm approach to the usual furious yelling of American politics. I too feel something encouraging and peaceful, despite all of our many many problems.
Is it *helping* any of us, in our hearts, to immediately be so crazily condemning a new leadership -- one WE elected, with great fanfare -- as it launches so many bold new moves, even during an economic crisis rooted in the old greed?
Barack Obama is a man, with faults, but with a good heart and a wise intellect. His team is made up of people from America, on Earth -- they may be great or so-so, but they're products of our time, as we are, as you are. The sense I get, as they walk strongly at times and stumble through compromise most of the time, is that they are not plotting *against* us, and by "us" I mean everybody, every creature.
We all spent eight years screaming about George W. Bush. Do we really want to spend the *next* eight years screaming about somebody we elected to un-do the errors of the past?
the "you're not doing enough for me NOW" on the far left.
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Boyd - In my experience there are a good # of people on the "liberal-left" who aren''t detached from reality about Obama at all but who I find just as disdainful of the basic left criticisms offered here as any deluded Ga Ga for Obama type. I know a few people like this. With them its not delusion or lack of understanding of basic centrist realities about Obama but rather (a) despair and (in some cases) (b) a particularly unattractive and (for me anyway) nasueating cynicism about ordinary peoples' capacity to resist power in any kind of relevant way. I know some folks in this (b) category. Some common threads among them are: possession of advanced professional/academic degrees; a sense of being too educated/intelligent for ordinary people and the broader horrific society they inhabit; substance abuse; prior histories in campus-based Sixties and Seventies movements and anger at their collapse; pathologically contrarian and hyper-individualistic attitudes in various areas of life; depression; a sense of self-righteousness about their glorious vote for a black candidate; an exaggerated sense that ordinary white people could not have any relevant issues with the Obama W.H. that aren't basically about racism; a sense that it doesn't matter to do elementary due-diligence research on Obama's policies because facts don't matter anyway in this culture (they lean towards "post-modernist: nihilism). Now this last characteristic does push them toward detachment, I guess, because if you get too cynical and lazy to do the basic work of researching what Empire's New Clothes (Obama) is really all about (he's EXACTLY about what a dedicated cadre of left analysts like Glen Ford and Bruce Dixon and John Pilger and I have been saying for years now), then you do in fact become ignorant of basic realities.
There are all kinds of "left" and "liberal" Obama supporters --- one underestimated group among them is the Cynics, a group that overlaps with the despondent.
I go back and forth on how to respond to Obama's "left fans." I started off acerbic and biting and that didn't work out all that well. I went to polite and understanding and that worked for a bit and then faded.
Now I'm just honestly confronting folks with things like "so how many more innocent kids have to get blown up in Afghanistan by U.S. bombs before you'll think about scraping that Obama sticker off the back of your car" or "Hey, I see you've got a 'Union Yes' sticker and an Obama sticker on your car over there. What you think about what happened to the Employee Free Choice Act? Think he'll ever open up NAFTA for re-negotiation? How about that auto-bailout?"
Now I'm going to start working on the environmentalist Obama-defenders I know with ammo from the St.Clair and Frank piece I cited in the previous comment..
Maybe the attitude to take to a lot of these creepy Obama folks is the one that Malcom X took towards Dr. King: use shame and mockery to push them left.
But then it isn't just or mainly about "Obama;" of course, it's also and more fundementally about the dominant order's success in getting people to define "politics" as being only about these big quadrennial candidate-centered election spectacles/rituals/extravaganzas instead of being about day-to -day grassroots struggles for justice, peace, democracy etc.
Obama supports the Big Banksters not the workers in America. Have fun when your money means nothing and very soon too. Obama will keep lying to with you with a smiling face. The laugh is at your stupidity though. Wake Up Already! The old days are long gone folks. Stop looking at the USA as you did twenty or even ten years ago. Those times are gone forever. Things will keep getting worse and you will have no place to turn as state's become bankrupt and jobs are less than even now. The Stimulus even at this point is nothing but a band-aid without real structural change which the political and economic elites are against. Welcome to your new Serfdom status. Get ready to work as neoslaves. Wake up out of your stupors folks!
Don't you people realize that the America is a FAILED STATE NOW? That any other country would be under the control of the IMF and World Bank right now? Wake Up because America has Failed and you still want those who allowed it to fail to Fix It for Ya! Man, you people are DUMB!
Liberals and Progressives are very impotent. Wake Up out of your delusional states of mind.
Stop BITCHING IF YOU REMAIN IN THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY. ANYONE BITCHING HERE TODAY WHO DOES NOT JOIN THE GREEN PARTY IS JUST YELLING AND COMPLAINING IN VAIN WITH YOUR USUAL FAKE Liberal/Progressive WHINE(ING). STOP IT BECAUSE IT HAS BECOME TIRING LISTENING TO YOU FAKE Liberal/Progressives who actually thought Obama or that the Demnocratic Party---also a party of the military-corporate state was gonna bring any real "change." You so-called Liberals/Progressives have become very pathetic!
The Democratic Party is not an ally of Liberals and Progressives so get into some reality.
Obama is not a Liberal/Progressive but the newest face on the fading of the American Empire.
Obama's healthcare plan can be equated with a euthansia plan and the sooner you knuckleheads face this harsh reality the better off you will be. Get your heads out of your butts! Face facts folks--Obama and Biden are war mongers who back the military-corporatist state and most Democrats in the U.S. House and Senate are conservatives, and not liberals or progressives.
Until the next time, I am sure all of you will keep busy in those Democratic Party delusions and yes the illusion that Obama is such a "great leader."
Obama being an "environmentalist" is like saying the Mafia never killed anyone.
Obama is not trustworthy and you dolts keep thinking he will achieve substantial changes in the failed political system.
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