Who eats the suffering?

[BOOGIE66]

All I will say is the shadow people....

[Sounder]

Come on, BOOGIE66, how bout giving us a little more depth for this label.

Great thread all, thanks lbo.

[Ben D]

BTW Sounder, you're not alone, I've also had no joy with the Bentov Video!

[slimmouse]

BTW Sounder, you're not alone, I've also had no joy with the Bentov Video!

Yeah, Bummer - it appears that all the links are now only showing a preview, with payment required for the rest of it. Well worth keeping a look out for since this is well worth a look.

Meanwhile, on a more elementary level Ive just come across this interview with Graham Hancock, who discusses Shamanic interaction with various other dimensional entities etc - again, well worth a listen

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzKp2PeXeWI

Part one will link to the other parts of this.

[mentalgongfu2]

Re: shadow people

Authors such as Rosemary Ellen Guiley and Heidi Hollis have helped popularize the concept through books, articles and appearances on radio talk shows devoted to paranormal subjects such as Coast to Coast AM where listeners are invited to call in to relate stories and "sightings". Shadow people are typically described as black humanoid silhouettes with no discernible mouths, noses, or facial expressions, child-sized humanoids, or shapeless masses that sometimes change to human like form and featuring eyes that are either glowing or not discernable.[3] Movement is said to be quick and disjointed, and some stories describe the visible outline of a cloak, or a 1930s style fedora hat.[1][4][5][6]

[slimmouse]

BTW Sounder, you're not alone, I've also had no joy with the Bentov Video!

Yeah, Bummer - it appears that all the links are now only showing a preview, with payment required for the rest of it. Well worth keeping a look out for since this is well worth a look.

Meanwhile, on a more elementary level Ive just come across this interview with Graham Hancock, who discusses Shamanic interaction with various other dimensional entities etc - again, well worth a listen

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzKp2PeXeWI

Part one will link to the other parts of this.

OK on Edit. For those interested in virtually every aspect and tangent of this thread, then I cannot recommend the Hancock stuff (above ) enough. It's 12 parts in total, but is IMHO most enlightening.

[8bitagent]

But you know, everyone of us has postulated...mulled over, gandered, researched, ruminated, and put a lot of time into all manner of pot boiler whodonnits, coverups, deep state shenanigans and high weirdness dovetailing with the whole enchilada.

9/11 of course gets the biggest lions share as a crash course litmus test of "they". As does the Cold War, WW1/WW2, JFK, and on and on.

But my friend stopped me mid sentence about something, and gave me
some food for thought. People on here(myself included) talk about how our emotions are manipulated for fear and other things as a kind of "food". An egregoric mass consciousness feeding ground. Now I know grand sweeping unified theories are poo poo'd, and people claiming to have "the ultimate truth" are rightfully jeered.

But in response to me disseminating some of the latest 9/11 and other deep state goings on, he stopped me and said this:

I will tell you this now, everyones part of the system of manipulation. The whole worlds turning into a psychological horror espionage cluster fuck...Where everyones thinking everyone is out to get them. and in reality the real evil behind all this is spontaneous and does thing direct and to the point, waste no time.

You think about it, this entity whatever it is, manipulates entire government agencies to the point where they think its coincidence when they even find out about it, so everyone see's them as a bad guy.

...they're using our own energy against us with the free will. they just come in an slash humanity. It hides in the shadows, and hits us over and over until we kill each other thinking it was something else.
what ever it is, has complete awareness of human emotion, and corruption and control. Emotional and spiritual platters for which to feed off of.

Manipulates all of us so well knows how the person has been programed to operated, to make them unknowingly do something...whatever is pulling these strings knows damn well how people want to live as a whole right now to do this.

I thought about that, as it's on the tip of my tongue...as after awhile its hard to ascribe EVERYTHING to the "Pentagon spook CIA NWO etc".
Maybe this "whatever" , it knows how to convince a young muslim to "jihad". And a young American to "GI Joe". It knows how to turn a politician corrupt. knows how course through the arteries and vains of the blackest world of arms smuggling, child slavery, drug cartels, and financial offshore institutions and intel agencies. Knows how to play off one another, throwing off the scent and obfuscating truth.

He also mentioned an interesting possibility behind Presidential code words or "twilight language", neural language programming and "gaffes". Revelation of the method winks and nods. The level of subconscious trigger words to set people off.

I don't know, mere food for thought.

Because I always have people say "there is no grand conspiracy, just random greed and incompetence".

And I think...well yeah, perhaps on on a cohesive exoteric level there may not be...but something nasty sure seems to be guiding the human story all these centuries later. Call in consciousness of the cosmic universe or something decidedly more...evil....

I think the things our own Hugh, Jake Kotze, Goro Adachi, etc shouldnt be laughed at. As I think synchronism and that sort of thing flows on many levels.

[justdrew]

it's a tarbaby, the only way to win is to not be playing

(nice post there 8bit, btw)

[rrapt]

Hey I like that justdrew.

Does commenting on this thread make me a player, or do I have to be more active to qualify? I want to win y'see.

[justdrew]

Hey I like that justdrew.

Does commenting on this thread make me a player, or do I have to be more active to qualify? I want to win y'see.

good question, but I guess people have to answer that for themselves. maybe it's just a pithy epigram.

[Sounder]

BenD wrote...

FWIW, it is my understanding that this world is psychic through and through, and all around us whether one is aware of it or not, we are subjectively and simultaneously objectively a part of the endless permutations, transformations, and transmutations involving exchange of spirit, energy, and material forces among and between all that exists.

If we were to become conscious of a more accurate mechanism that drives the permutations and transmutations, we might be better able to shape and be responsible for our own psychical expressions. As it is, we are drawn into agendas that provide energy to unbalanced expressions of psyche. We pick a pawn to blame stuff on while thinking the pawn is a king. Like with Madoff, closed trial with no charges of conspiracy? I mean, what the fuck, as if those transactions were done without written records?

Maddy wrote…

Just spouting off - not sure it means anything. It just seemed to somehow fit in here.

Sure it does. Our current psychical conditioning system depends on subject/object dichotomy and hard boundary conditions for objects, so our bias is for separation rather than connection or participatory consciousness. The conceptions that separate then deaden perceptual sensitivity.

I love Neil Kramers work. It fits in well here, thanks for bringing it skunkboy.

8-bit wrote…

Now I know grand sweeping unified theories are poo poo'd, and people claiming to have "the ultimate truth" are rightfully jeered.

I think the jeering and poo-pooing is more effort of insecure egos trying to maintain investment in existing models. The more acceptable theory will be dressed up as being novel, while remaining conventional under the clothes.

(The ultimate truth cannot be contained in words or forms, but our understanding of reality is mediated through form.) We are still left with a need to drop outmoded theories and conceptual structures if we are to integrate more sub-conscious knowing into a more accurate conscious model. Your friend seems fairly aware.

8-bit wrote….

It knows how to turn a politician corrupt. knows how course through the arteries and vains of the blackest world of arms smuggling, child slavery, drug cartels, and financial offshore institutions and intel agencies. Knows how to play off one another, throwing off the scent and obfuscating truth.

It’s good to see you looking at this angle 8-bit. Always and only looking at effects keeps us locked in a world of shallow suppositions while the perps slither on toward their next operation. The inner monster claims that the monster is other and outer and must be defeated at all cost.

The only real difference between people are their opinions as to where that outer monster resides.

[8bitagent]

It’s good to see you looking at this angle 8-bit. Always and only looking at effects keeps us locked in a world of shallow suppositions while the perps slither on toward their next operation. The inner monster claims that the monster is other and outer and must be defeated at all cost.

The only real difference between people are their opinions as to where that outer monster resides.

I've been accused by some as peddling "evangelical Christian" memes in regards to my views of who(or what) is really running the show...I add the caveat that not only do I feel Christianity like most religion is mind control, but that the true nature of reality, frequency, consciousness and dimension is unfathomably more bizarre and baffling than any book or preacher could surmise...I'd add, that perhaps a DMT fueled trip in the Amazon might be closer, but still merely in the afterbirth of localized thought and interpretation. As my friend said, the only "end times" coming is when the end times comes to you personally.

[Ben D]

BenD wrote...

FWIW, it is my understanding that this world is psychic through and through, and all around us whether one is aware of it or not, we are subjectively and simultaneously objectively a part of the endless permutations, transformations, and transmutations involving exchange of spirit, energy, and material forces among and between all that exists.

If we were to become conscious of a more accurate mechanism that drives the permutations and transmutations, we might be better able to shape and be responsible for our own psychical expressions. As it is, we are drawn into agendas that provide energy to unbalanced expressions of psyche. We pick a pawn to blame stuff on while thinking the pawn is a king. Like with Madoff, closed trial with no charges of conspiracy? I mean, what the fuck, as if those transactions were done without written records?

Agree with you, those who become truly aware of the inevitable karmic/blowback consequences of their actions are more likely to naturally adjust and assume a more balanced responsible attitude to life.

Unfortunately those who are not cognizant of karma will tend to naturally assume an agenda that is self serving to meet their present goals, such as this classic example.

...According to Mr. Suskind, "The aide said that guys like me were 'in what we call the reality-based community,' which he defined as people who 'believe that solutions emerge from your judicious study of discernible reality.' " The aide told Mr. Suskind, "That's not the way the world really works anymore. We're an empire now, and when we act we create our own reality."

Karma is the conceptual 'mechanism' that drives the permutations and transmutations within the actual non-conceptual reality, and which ceaselessly allows for the exchanging of energies among and between all finite and temporary 'sub-realities' at all levels, in a way that maintains the balance of the whole. It is analogous to the working principles behind the laws of conservation of energy and thermodynamics, but covers the whole spectrum of cosmic vibrational nature, and that includes consciousness.

"Do not do to others that which you would not like done to you", is not just good ethics, it is a sound psychological attitude to live by at both the personal level and the collective, National, etc..

[Sounder]

BenD, thanks for the response.

I have doubts about ‘karma’ as a form that is robust enough for producing ethical behavior. Look at New Age thought for examples on how this form is corrupted in providing rationalization for narcissistic opinions. I.E., ‘my life is good so I must have good karma.’ If on another hand one were to say that; ‘the manifest expression results from the balance between order and liberty within consciousness’, then hidden agendas may be better exposed. Then both authoritarians and libertines will have their overwrought formulas exposed as manipulative bullshit. It’s sad to see either conformity or non-conformity put on a pedestal of ‘what it is to be good’ (natch, with the other side as being bad). It is the natural lie of a split psyche, and it is sure to create shallow thoughts and self-righteousness.

This cult infested, gangland style, mutual blackmail society will be re-formed, and folk’s infatuation with their personal identity will become an embarrassment rather than the refuge that they think of it as being. Human beings are learning what being human is about, but we are slow learners. As we do learn, we will feed (and be fed by) devas instead of feeding demons.

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