Ex-FBI Translator Sibel Edmonds Tests Justice Dept. Again

[seemslikeadream]

Great thread - but would it kill anyone to put Sibel's name in the title of the post? It took me four days to find this discussion!

Thanks.

Sorry

but where were you looking? You do know Sibel is an ex-FBI translator?

She's the only one I know

[barracuda]

Joe Cannon is having some second thoughts about Sibel, from the link above:

Update 2: There is a serious problem with Sibel Edmond's testimony, at least insofar as it has come down to us. (We do not yet have the actual transcript.) The issue is one of chronology.

Sibel Edmonds was an FBI translator for a brief period -- December 2001 to March 2002.

The Armenian Genocide Resolution was introduced in 2007.

Although her name may sound like "sibyl," I don't think that Edmonds was getting dispatches from the future during her FBI tenure.

And yet she said in court that the blackmail occurred in "the context" of the Armenian Genocide Resolution!

Now, it is true that we know about her testimony primarily from David Krikorian, who was offering his precis of her words in court. But I simply cannot see any situation in which he would have brought up the Armenian Genocide Resolution unless Sibel had done so first.

After the testimony, a "clarification" was issued:
After reviewing our coverage, Edmonds clarifies that she did not discuss the specific voting record of the Congresswoman in question discussed above, because she didn't, and still doesn't, know her record on that particular issue. As Krikorian's quote above may have been inadvertently misleading on that point, she wanted to correct that record. - BF
This statement hardly resolves anything.

1. The Armenian Genocide Resolution has never come to a vote. All talk of voting records is therefore meaningless.

2. Nothing in this clarification addresses the serious chronological problem.

I will withhold final judgment until I see the transcript of Edmonds' actual words. Frankly, though, I am starting to feel angry at myself at for publishing so many pro-Edmonds pieces in the past.

Two questions - Is she going to discredit herself after all these years? Where in all this is anything worthy of a state secrets gag order?

[seemslikeadream]

Two questions - Is she going to discredit herself after all these years? Where in all this is anything worthy of a state secrets gag order?

So why a gag then?

[seemslikeadream]

I had a whole forum to myself till I was tombed at least someone else is carrying on

http://www.democraticunderground.com/di ... &forum=344

[barracuda]

Why the gag order? I'm not saying it would be beyond Ashcroft's Justice Dept. to restrict Edmonds on the basis of what she's said here - I think it mightn't. But so far I haven't heard anything which easily merits such a move. Either the limits of this deposition simply don't enter into the areas of information disputed by Ashcroft, or S.E. has been gotten to and will never say what she's been hinting at (e.g., where's the drugs?), or she's lying and the whole thing has been a set piece for disinfo, or some other fourth thing.

[seemslikeadream]

Why the gag order? I'm not saying it would be beyond Ashcroft's Justice Dept. to restrict Edmonds on the basis of what she's said here - I think it mightn't. But so far I haven't heard anything which easily merits such a move. Either the limits of this deposition simply don't enter into the areas of information disputed by Ashcroft, or S.E. has been gotten to and will never say what she's been hinting at (e.g., where's the drugs?), or she's lying and the whole thing has been a set piece for disinfo, or some other fourth thing.

If she's good enough for Daniel Elsberg, she OK by me

[thatsmystory]

Edmonds' claim does track with Peter Lance's research on Patrick Fitzgerald. Lance writes about Fitzgerald's odd conduct in relation to "triple agent" Ali Mohamed.

Edmond's is basically stating that the Plame leak case was BS as Grossman outed Brewster Jennings in '01. I know that many people have differentiated between the BJ and Plame outings but it shouldn't have been difficult to ID CIA officials by way of the BJ association (i.e. Plame says she works at BJ, BJ is CIA so Plame is CIA).

So Fitzgerald could have been the go to guy to deceive the public. Another player who always seemed to be involved in Edmonds' litigation is Judge Reggie Walton. Even though judge assignment is supposed to be random he kept getting assigned to her cases. There may have been a procedural rationale for assigning him her cases but I'm not aware of it.

Edmonds' claim also doesn't make Tenet look very good. After all Tenet made a huge deal out of defending "his people" at the CIA. Yet if Edmonds' claim is accurate then it appears Tenet did nothing about the leak.

Note: Another poster on the Brad Blog site noted that there was a vote on the Armenian Genocide Resolution in 2000 which would fit Edmonds' term of employment.

[seemslikeadream]

http://www.bradblog.com/?p=7347

COMMENT #97 [Permalink]
... Brad Friedman said on 8/8/2009 @ 6:15 pm PT...

Yes, it's true that we have this precis of Edmond's testimony at second hand from Kirkpatrick. But I don't see how he could have brought up the resolution if Sibel Edmonds had not done so first.

Joseph - I sent you an email with a link to Sibel's clarification of what Krikorian said, in which she says she didn't say one way or another which the Rep had voted, because she had no idea. Krikorian says it was "in the context of" that discussion, and Sibel knows that what she said was video-taped and transcribed and to be released publicly.

So why are you creating "something fishy" out of nothing fishy?

But yes, the transcript will clarify your concerns, I'd think, one way or another when it's released. BTW, since she was the first one to say 'Hey, I didn't say which way she voted, please correct that so folks aren't misled', I further am puzzled as to why you'd be making the insinuations you are.

There was (as of now) some kind of miscommunication between what Krikorian said and what he'd heard (he even notes, in his direct quote, that he stopped taking notes at one point). So why create something here that doesn't exist? At least for the moment??

[barracuda]

Wayne Madsen:

"Perhaps the most explosive part of the deposition involved the Turkish government being engaged in a sexual blackmail operation against a sitting member of the House of Representative. In what the FBI termed a "hooking process," an ATC female operative enticed a female member of the House into a lesbian sexual encounter at a Washington, DC townhouse."

"The identity of the House member in question was not revealed during the deposition by Edmonds. However, WMR has learned from another informed source that it is Representative Jan Schakowsky (D-IL), a strong supporter of AIPAC and Israel and a close political ally of President Obama and his chief of staff Rahm Emanuel."

[bks]

Joe Cannon took off from the earth a while back, and he's a whiny little blog despot on top of it.

Don't miss the comments at http://www.bradblog.com/?p=7347 to see just how big a douchebag he can be. Bet Larisa Alexandrovna wishes she never had his telephone number.

[seemslikeadream]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSvlwg3F6q0

[Nordic]

Wayne Madsen:

"Perhaps the most explosive part of the deposition involved the Turkish government being engaged in a sexual blackmail operation against a sitting member of the House of Representative. In what the FBI termed a "hooking process," an ATC female operative enticed a female member of the House into a lesbian sexual encounter at a Washington, DC townhouse."

"The identity of the House member in question was not revealed during the deposition by Edmonds. However, WMR has learned from another informed source that it is Representative Jan Schakowsky (D-IL), a strong supporter of AIPAC and Israel and a close political ally of President Obama and his chief of staff Rahm Emanuel."

Wayne Madsen is utterly, completely, unreliable.

It may be true, but it's probably not.

In fact, if Wayne Madsen says it, I'd be inclined to disbelieve it rather than believe it.

[bubblefunk]

Seriously: I felt soiled going to Cannonfire after so many blissful months without seeing it, after being driven away by that foolish, presumptuous, sour old man. I won't be going back, but thanks for the opportunity to revisit the site and reestablish my contempt for Joe Cannon.

[chiggerbit]

I don't understand. Did she say that she learned of Grossman's and Armitage's leaking of Brewster-Jennings during her short employ at the FBI?

[chiggerbit]

Anybody have any idea if Edmonds has a stake in the Armenian/Turkish genocide issue? I have to ask because the Jean Schmidt/David Krikorian battle looks like an Armenian/Turkish slugfest.