'Gremlins' - WWIIDisney/Vietnam/Plum decoy by Spielberg

[psynapz]

dude, that is an awesome sigline. you should keep that until they change theirs...

Good idea.

[Zap]

And he is a master of ignoring the questions he does not like asked of him, and concentrating instead on the buttons that when pressed, lead with ease into more "interpersonal quibbling" and "loss of precious bandwidth". You know what I mean Hugh, you have done that to me too on more than one occasion. Walking a fine line there.

Eight Traits of the Disinformationalist

1) Avoidance.
They never actually discuss issues head-on or provide constructive input, generally avoiding citation of references or credentials. Rather, they merely imply this, that, and the other. Virtually everything about their presentation implies their authority and expert knowledge in the matter without any further justification for credibility.

2) Selectivity.
They tend to pick and choose opponents carefully, either applying the hit-and-run approach against mere commentators supportive of opponents, or focusing heavier attacks on key opponents who are known to directly address issues. Should a commentator become argumentative with any success, the focus will shift to include the commentator as well.

3) Coincidental.
They tend to surface suddenly and somewhat coincidentally with a new controversial topic with no clear prior record of participation in general discussions in the particular public arena involved. They likewise tend to vanish once the topic is no longer of general concern. They were likely directed or elected to be there for a reason, and vanish with the reason.

4) Teamwork.
They tend to operate in self-congratulatory and complementary packs or teams. Of course, this can happen naturally in any public forum, but there will likely be an ongoing pattern of frequent exchanges of this sort where professionals are involved. Sometimes one of the players will infiltrate the opponent camp to become a source for straw man or other tactics designed to dilute opponent presentation strength.

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6) Artificial Emotions.
An odd kind of 'artificial' emotionalism and an unusually thick skin -- an ability to persevere and persist even in the face of overwhelming criticism and unacceptance. This likely stems from intelligence community training that, no matter how condemning the evidence, deny everything, and never become emotionally involved or reactive. The net result for a disinfo artist is that emotions can seem artificial. Most people, if responding in anger, for instance, will express their animosity throughout their rebuttal. But disinfo types usually have trouble maintaining the 'image' and are hot and cold with respect to pretended emotions and their usually more calm or unemotional communications style. It's just a job, and they often seem unable to 'act their role in character' as well in a communications medium as they might be able in a real face-to-face conversation/confrontation. You might have outright rage and indignation one moment, ho-hum the next, and more anger later -- an emotional yo-yo. With respect to being thick-skinned, no amount of criticism will deter them from doing their job, and they will generally continue their old disinfo patterns without any adjustments to criticisms of how obvious it is that they play that game -- where a more rational individual who truly cares what others think might seek to improve their communications style, substance, and so forth, or simply give up.

[Telexx]

Here, I'll try it myself now at the end of this very post with a paraphrasing of what Telexx's signoff looks like in my diseased mind every time I see it:

Eat my steaming shit if you don't like it. Toodles,
- psynapz

That's gotta be a keeper.

Kthxbye!!1

Telexx

[Joe Hillshoist]

One MI6 guy working on another MI6 guy's 'James Bond' screenplay AND
a psyops script for kidz (Chitty) almost 20 years after WWII...justifies my statement.

This does not justify this:

Original 'Gremlins' author Roald Dahl later wrote Cold War propaganda for kidz, just like Brit spook Ian Fleming who wrote 'Chitty Chitty Bang Bang.'

Unless you spell it out.

Don't you find it remarkable that both MI6 guys, Ian Fleming and Roald Dahl, wrote Cold War-era stories for kidz that equated factories and capitalism with...candy? Talk about sugar-coating fascism.

That comment could have stood on its own and we might have agreed.

Its telling, to the point and brings up something that should be talked about, but all the stuff you stick in around it just kills that.

More complex equivalence! Factories, and capitalism, do not equal fascism! To write a story set in a factory does not equal writing 'cold war propaganda'. Can you provide evidence, Hugh that specifically supports this assertion that Dahl wrote 'cold war propaganda'??

I'm willing to bet telexx would have had a very different response if that comment had been framed in a much better way (and if the obvious history wasn't there between you.) Factories and capitalism may not equal fascism but there's a fair chance that they do most of the time.

All these other definitive statements are verging on meaningless, in the strict operational use of the term, they are emotive but contain no actual information.

Hugh you know people on this board are going to be sus of what you say.

Obviously you feel you know what you are talking about and have some very good sources of information at your disposal, but you never try and engage your critics and understand their point of view. Really, you assume most if not all criticism is simply there to silence you for whatever reason.

I have been here for over 3 years, and lurked for at least 6 months before that, and whether you like it or not thats the case.

I've seen Orz pan and others try and engage you and give up cos you won't listen and take on what they say, whether its valid or not. They might not have tried for years, but can you blame them? You won't acknowledge them. You don't have to agree, but acknowledgement at least shows respect. I've never seen you do it once (you may have, and I may have missed it, if so I'm sorry) and thats not a good thing.

Now I have a question for you about POW-MIA.

Do you deny Soldier of Fortune magazine is or was the epitome of a war culture meme machine? (Of course you don't.) Yet its promotion of the whole POW MIA thing was non stop.

Then there's that rash of POW MIA movies that were huge in the 80s, Rambo, Uncommon Valor etc etc.

Whats going on with that?

Warning this may be a trick question.

[Joe Hillshoist]

Maybe he only lets other aspects of his interests & personality come out under other screen names.

Do you mean he sock puppets here?

If so thats an accusation that needs evidence or to be withdrawn.

[Zap]

Maybe he only lets other aspects of his interests & personality come out under other screen names.

Do you mean he sock puppets here?

I meant that 'maybe' he does, yes.

If so thats an accusation that needs evidence or to be withdrawn.

Nope.

For one thing, it's not even a "crime" to have multiple screen names here, is it? Thought I read that somewhere, anyway.

And more to the point - despite prodding, Hugh has not overturned his announcement that my Action Squad website and 'teapot synchronicity tale' are CIA psyops - and he's labeled me a "screen name" at least once.

Pbbth.

Anyway, I just went back to the original post in this thread, and read through it carefully, trying to see if it actually made any sense ...

... and it's still incoherent, rambling, unsupported nonsense.

The problem is not just that Hugh doesn't respond to his critics, it's that he spouts geysers of high grade bullshit in the first place.

The fact that people apparently get bamboozled into thinking there is some validity to the connections Hugh makes is sadly telling.


Wow. Just ... wow.

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[Joe Hillshoist]

If he's done the same thing then fair enough I take it back. Sock puppeting isn't a crime, but accusing someone of it could have some other effects on other board members, thats all.

If you honestly don't think modern media is/are a psy op, at least on some levels, and in some cases then ... well we obviously see the world differently.

Wait a minute, was that teapot thing from years ago you? (I'm a little slow sometimes.)

That was harsh and uncalled for. I can understand you being upset.

The problem is not just that Hugh doesn't respond to his critics, it's that he spouts geysers of high grade bullshit in the first place.

The fact that people apparently get bamboozled into thinking there is some validity to the connections Hugh makes is sadly telling.

I think its more that people recognise some of what he's saying in their own experience too. But his sig/noise ratio is getting higher and higher.

I agree that ET thing was a classic case of high grade bullshit.

[Zap]

If you honestly don't think modern media is/are a psy op, at least on some levels, and in some cases then ... well we obviously see the world differently.

No, I very much agree. Just not with the way HMW presents it.

Wait a minute, was that teapot thing from years ago you? (I'm a little slow sometimes.)

Yup! It was posted here by a member, I saw the traffic to my site, came to check it out, and wound up sticking around.

I agree that ET thing was a classic case of high grade bullshit.

And the Pentagon eye, and the connection between old and new Gremlins, and the B&W thing, and the Dahl thing, the Plum Island thing... well, pretty much all of it I guess.

[Username]

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Its probably never gonna change, and to be honest the longer I am here the more sympathy I have with pan, and orz and others who criticise hugh.

Not me.

Right or wrong, Hugh is soooo much more than his detractors.

Example.

Anyway, I told myself I wouldn't be getting involved anymore with the bullying and harrassment that goes on between Hugh and the angry mob that pursues him, so I won't.
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[brainpanhandler]

Which works out anyway as I can't really recall the specifics that well - these experiences are hard to hold onto - like the details of a dream, they slip away between your fingers the harder you try to hold onto them.

[barracuda]

Right or wrong, Hugh

[Zap]

Which works out anyway as I can't really recall the specifics that well - these experiences are hard to hold onto - like the details of a dream, they slip away between your fingers the harder you try to hold onto them.

hmm, I have no idea what you're trying to say with that, but I should point out that the person in the pic isn't me ... although I kinda wish it was. Lovely spontaneous dance, reminded me of a joyous crow.

[Zap]

Anyone prone to hearing or heeding the call of the weepy violin that comes out whenever Hugh is faced with the disgust his ideas absolutely deserve

the bullying and harrassment that goes on between Hugh and the angry mob that pursues him

[brainpanhandler]

Which works out anyway as I can't really recall the specifics that well - these experiences are hard to hold onto - like the details of a dream, they slip away between your fingers the harder you try to hold onto them.

hmm, I have no idea what you're trying to say with that, but I should point out that the person in the pic isn't me ... although I kinda wish it was. Lovely spontaneous dance, reminded me of a joyous crow.

You seem to have no problem holding onto other types of experiences.

I'd have a great deal more sympathy for you if you would avoid saying things like:

"The fact that people apparently get bamboozled into thinking there is some validity to the connections Hugh makes is sadly telling."

Do please elaborate.

No one ever pointed out the following contradiction in the teapot thread.

I think that website is psy-ops for youth.

But then...

There's no reason to believe that the teapot photos are real and not staged anymore than the opposite, that it was a real 'happening.'
Thus I simply pointed out logically that there is no way to know if the site is real or not. Funny that I'm being criticised for NOT assuming that it is real.

Hugh was a complete asshole in that thread, largely as a way to get at PP and not as he would have everyone believe in his righteous crusade to save the world from fascism. FWIW I found your story fascinating.


He should apologize, but he won't. So why don't you be the grown up and let it go?

[Username]

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Know what fish?

Right or wrong, I'd stick up for you too if there were scallywags and scoundrels out to steal your thunder, because thunder is so hard to come by these days.

America? Right or wrong?

No, I don't think so.

Just sayin'.
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