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Rockwood teen crying blood pleads for diagnosis

Postby Jeff » Mon Aug 31, 2009 6:41 pm

Rockwood teen crying blood pleads for diagnosis

Posted: Aug 28, 2009 8:19 PM PDT
By JILL MCNEAL
6 News Anchor/Reporter

ROCKWOOD (WATE) -- A Rockwood teen is dealing with a medical mystery. Without warning, he cries blood. Now, his family is making a desperate plea for help.

Much of the time, Calvino Inman seems like any other 15-year-old boy. But then, without warning, he says his eyes start bleeding.

He says it happens at least three times a day, and can last from a few minutes to up to an hour.

"Sometimes, I can feel it coming up, like a tear. I feel my eyes watering," he says. "Sometimes, it will burn as it comes out."

"I've been called possessed by almost all of my friends. I guess I'm used to it now. At first, it kind of hurt my feelings," Inman says.

"The scariest thing in my life is when he looked at me and said 'Mom, am I going to die?' That right there broke my heart," says his mother, Tammy Mynatt.

She's taken her son to several specialists, but still has no diagnosis and no treatment.

"Every doctor tells us they've never seen anything like this before in all their many years of being a doctor," Mynatt says.

Now, his mother says she's running out of hope.

"More than anything, I just truly want somebody to say they've seen this and they can help us. I don't care where we have to travel. I will go wherever we need to go. I will do whatever I have to do. I just please want somebody to help my baby. That's all," Mynatt says.

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Postby daba64 » Mon Aug 31, 2009 8:29 pm

Bleeding From Mystery Condition: Stigmata?
By LAUREN COX
10/28/08

Modern claims of mysterious bleeding still met with fear and awe.

Every decade, people around the globe come forward to claim that they spontaneously bleed and bruise without an injury, disease or chemical to cause it.

Stigmata might first come to mind, but there are many terms for the spontaneous bleeding -- psychogenic purpura, autoerythrocyte sensitization, Gardner-Diamond syndrome -- and just as many different reactions to the claims.

Skeptics, the religious, psychoanalysts and the medical profession have all vied to explain the condition. And those who claim to have the symptoms often report they are mystified and stigmatized and unable to get help.

Take the family of Twinkle Dwivedi, a 13-year-old girl from Lucknow, India, who has spent the better part of a year asking doctors for a physical explanation to her unusual bleeding.

Dwivedi and her family say she bleeds spontaneously from her mouth, her ears, her eyes, her hairline and the soles of her feet. The bleeding lasts for only a couple of minutes, but it can start five to 10 times a day.


The first time it happened, in July 2007, Dwivedi said she was quietly taking notes in class when blood suddenly started to ooze from her mouth. It happened again a few days later, and eventually the bleeding became a regular problem.

Since then, Dwivedi's family said this painful cycle has threatened her life and completely changed her world: She has lost friends, her chance to be at school, and her family must keep someone at the house with her at all times.

From the beginning, Dwivedi's family went to clinics, then hospitals, then specialty centers just trying to get a diagnosis and some hope of relief.

"I still remember that day very well when Twinkle came to my clinic," said Dr. Pervez Ahmed Siddiqui, Dwivedi's family physician.

"Blood was profusely oozing from her swollen nose and lips. Since she was coming from the school, I thought she might have got injured," he said.

But Dwivedi hadn't been in a school fight, and in the days that followed she returned to his office with more bleeding. She lost so much blood that she spent three days in the intensive care unit.

Siddiqui first referred her to an ear, nose and throat specialist, and then to a local renowned government hospital, the Sanjay Gandhi Postgraduate Institute of Medical Sciences. Finally, Siddiqui sent her to the All India Institute of Medical Science, or AIIMS, in Delhi, one of the best medical institutes in India.

"Doctors over there told her that she has some rare blood disorder but couldn't find a name for that," Siddiqui said.

While doctors at AIIMS could confirm seeing Dwivedi they were bound by hospital privacy rules not to disclose more information without a series of written consent forms.

Dr. Renu Saxena, a professor and head of the hospital's hematology department, told ABCNews.com that her team gave Siddiqui a diagnosis. But Siddiqui and the Dwivedi family say they still don't have a diagnosis, or a treatment.

"After almost 1½ years, it's back to square one -- she bleeds every day through her pores," Siddiqui said. All he can do, he said, is give Dwivedi a blood transfusion every two months.

"I feel so helpless and start cursing myself when that poor soul stares at me blankly and asks me whether she would ever get cured," Siddiqui said.

While Dwivedi and her family view her bleeding as a medical condition so rare that doctors do not understand it, some people who claim to have the same inexplicable bleeding decide not to seek a medical cure.

In 1999, the Rev. Zlatko Sudac, a Croatian Roman Catholic priest, claimed he began bleeding from a cross-shaped wound on his forehead, according to a story about his 2002 visit to New York City in New York Magazine.

One year later, Sudac said he also started bleeding on his wrists, feet and side -- all locations associated with biblical accounts of Jesus Christ's wounds during the crucifixion.

Dwivedi also reported bleeding associated with stigmata such as "sweating blood," bleeding from her eyes and bleeding from her hands and feet. But the reaction to Sudac's symbolic wounds was quite different.

The Dwivedi's family reported that people doubted their claims at first, but most came to believe them and either pitied them or avoided the family.

Jeetu Tiwari, a 7-year-old boy who lives nearby, got so frightened the first time he saw Dwivedi bleeding that he ran inside his house. Now his father asks him to stay away.

"It looked like she had injuries all over her head," Tiwari said. "That was quite frightening."

While neighbors ran from Dwivedi, local newspapers, such as the New York Daily News reported churches overflowing with people who'd come to see Sudac. Now Web sites devoted to him carry his picture and prayers.

Meanwhile, Sudac was met with equal disbelief and skepticism. He reportedly does not give interviews to the media, and at the time of his visit to New York, even the Catholic Church refused to make any judgment.

The Rev. Zlatko Sudac has drawn crowds to see what he claims to be stigmata wounds on his forehead, hands, feet and side.

"There's no indication he's been anything but a good priest. As far as the stigmata is concerned, there has been no position taken on that," Frank DeRosa, spokesman for the Diocese of Brooklyn and Queens, told the New York Daily News.

While Sudac attributes his bleeding to faith, and Dwivedi is searching for a physical explanation, many top doctors would take an entirely different view: either completely disbelieve it or search for psychological reasons.

"I was in a clinical center in the [National Institutes of Health] and I saw many, many cases -- they actually can bleed into their skin," said Dr. Louis Aledort, a professor of medicine at Mount Sinai Hospital and a hematologist specializing in bleeding and coagulation disorders.

"I must have seen in my career, 20 patients about this," Aledort said.

Aledort said the causes are debated, but many believe it is a subconscious action of the brain due to trauma. First, the person bruises, even under the protection of a cast, and then rarely, people bleed through the skin.

"They can have spontaneous bleeding into the skin that is controlled by the emotions," Aledort said. "These people are not doing it on purpose and nobody understands how it works, but clearly blood vessels can be controlled by emotions."

In 2000, Turkish doctors reported a case of psychogenic purpura with symptoms similar to stigmata in the May edition of the journal Psychosomatics.

According to the doctors, a 22-year-old widow was admitted to the psychiatry department of Istanbul Medical School by the perplexed hematology department for psychiatric evaluation. She had spontaneous and unexplained bleeding from the eyes, nose, ears and mouth as well as several bruises, especially in the extremities

"Although bleeding from the eyes is very rare, especially in Western literature, seven cases have been reported in Turkey," wrote Dr. Basak Yucel in the article....

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Postby jingofever » Mon Aug 31, 2009 10:03 pm

Take the family of Twinkle Dwivedi, a [b]13-year-old girl from Lucknow, India, who has spent the better part of a year asking doctors for a physical explanation to her unusual bleeding.


The Girl Who Cries Blood:

The Girl Who Cries Blood is a thought provoking documentary that follows Twinkle, a 13 year old girl from India who reports spontaneously bleeding from her eyes, hands, and head as she tries to discover what's causing her mysterious condition. Some of Twinkles neighbors think shes possessed, but could she be blessed? This film examines myths and medical truths of stigmata as it accompanies Twinkle on her journey of discovery. Will modern science or religious ritual solve the mystery? Can the investigators find out what causes Twinkles tears of blood and, more importantly, is there anything they can do to stop them?


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Postby Maddy » Mon Aug 31, 2009 10:22 pm

While I'd love to believe in miracles, too, let's see if there are any biological/medical reasons first, and rule that out.

Bloody Epiphora

Initial histopathologic examination of the specimen revealed an atypical lymphoid infiltrate. Subsequent immunohistochemistry suggested that the mass was reactive lymphoid hyperplasia. Lymphoid hyperplasia should be considered in the differential diagnosis of bloody epiphora, in addition to primary malignancy of the nasolacrimal duct, hematologic abnormalities, coagulopathies, vascular tumors, and giant papillary conjunctivitis.



Pyogenic granuloma of the lacrimal sac

In this report, we describe three adult patients diagnosed with lacrimal sac pyogenic granuloma. The presenting symptoms were acute dacryocystitis, lacrimal mass, and bloody tears. The nasolacrimal drainage pathway was obstructed in all cases. Radiologic evaluation performed in one patient revealed the presence of a well-defined mass in the sac with homogenous contrast uptake. Histopathologic examination revealed capillary proliferation and inflammatory cells in a fibromyxoid stroma. The patients were followed up for 11–23 months after external dacryocystorhinostomy without recurrence of the tumor or nasolacrimal obstruction. Pyogenic granuloma may develop from the lacrimal sac mucosa and may cause bloody epiphora. Such a tumor is visualized as a hemorrhagic mass lesion, and it may not have a negative effect on the outcome of DCR.


Etc. Bloody Epiphora Google Stuff
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Postby psynapz » Mon Aug 31, 2009 10:26 pm

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Postby compared2what? » Tue Sep 01, 2009 12:47 am

It's at least conceivable that kind of bleeding might be a response to an environmental toxin (or some kind of combination of environmental toxins) too, I believe. Although it'd be pure speculation to suggest that's what's going on here. Plus, if he's the only one with symptoms, I guess he'd either have to be exposed to them in some way others aren't or naturally allergic to something others aren't. Still. Could be. I think.

It also sounds like an oddly restrained form of your basic terror-inducing hemorrhagic fever virus, a la Ebola. Except not, obviously, actually Ebola. There's quite a bit of patient-to-patient variability in exactly how virulent some of those viruses are. You'd kind of expect him to have a fever to go with that hemorrhaging, though, if he did have a hemorraghic fever viral infection, wouldn't you?

I don't have a whole lot of expertise here. Or, IOW: No idea what I'm talking about, really. It does definitely seem well within the bounds of possibility that someone could either induce or fake those symptoms, however. So you can't totally rule that out, either. Especially if he really isn't otherwise suffering. Since he is getting potentially exploitable press attention. Again, pure speculation, though, I should emphasize.
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Postby justdrew » Tue Sep 01, 2009 1:08 am

most likely it looks like a variation of this: http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080701181125AAL7vaU

and examples of bleeding tear ducts (which it doesn't look like this is a case of)...
http://www.medhelp.org/posts/Eye-Care-Archive/Blood-Drainage-from-Tear-Duct/show/372299

http://www.iovs.org/cgi/content/full/41/5/965

http://www.medhelp.org/posts/Eye-Care-Archive/Tear-Duct-bleeding/show/371961

I wonder if they're pleading for a diagnosis or actually just in need of a healthcare system that gives a damn? If their doctor is just shrugging and saying "uh, I don't know" they need to go elsewhere and if possible talk to the doc's institution's Patient Advocate.
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Postby Maddy » Tue Sep 01, 2009 1:23 am

justdrew wrote:I wonder if they're pleading for a diagnosis or actually just in need of a healthcare system that gives a damn? If their doctor is just shrugging and saying "uh, I don't know" they need to go elsewhere and if possible talk to the doc's institution's Patient Advocate.


That's kind of what I'm thinking. If an idiot like myself can Google up "Bleeding Eyes", find "Bloody Epiphora", then Google that up and come up with a half a dozen different things that could cause it, you'd think someone with eight+ years of specialized education might be able to do the same thing, and understand what they were reading. :roll:
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Postby compared2what? » Tue Sep 01, 2009 3:07 am

Well....If there's one thing they've got in Rockwood, TN, it's environmental toxins. Mostly industrial. It's kind of like radioactive Roane County or something. The two most compelling things I saw were, from 12/08:

    Tennessee Ash Flood Larger Than Initial Estimate

    A coal ash spill in eastern Tennessee that experts were already calling the largest environmental disaster of its kind in the United States is more than three times as large as initially estimated, according to an updated survey by the Tennessee Valley Authority.

    Officials at the authority initially said that about 1.7 million cubic yards of wet coal ash had spilled when the earthen retaining wall of an ash pond at the Kingston Fossil Plant, about 40 miles west of Knoxville, gave way on Monday. But on Thursday they released the results of an aerial survey that showed the actual amount was 5.4 million cubic yards, or enough to flood more than 3,000 acres one foot deep.

    The amount now said to have been spilled is larger than the amount the authority initially said was in the pond, 2.6 million cubic yards.

LINK to Times story excerpted above, though there's also this...

    The spill killed a "tremendous" number of fish, according to the Chattanooga Times Free Press.[17] Although residents feared water contamination, early tests of water six miles upstream of the ash flow showed that the public water supply met drinking water standards.[15] A test of river water near the spill showed elevated levels of lead and thallium, and "barely detectable" levels of mercury and arsenic.[3] On January 1, 2009 the first independent test results, conducted at the Environmental Toxicology and Chemistry laboratories at Appalachian State University, showed significantly elevated levels of toxic metals (including arsenic, copper, barium, cadmium, chromium, lead, mercury, nickel, and thallium) in samples of slurry and river water.


....more horrifying and more recent info at Wiki HERE.

Kingston's only about, maybe ten or so miles or so from Rockwood, it looks like to me. I'm bad at estimating distances. But it's close.

There's also the reassuringly named Toxco Materials Management Center, maybe thirty miles or so to the northeast, in beautiful Oak Ridge, TN. Where they also have some national laboratories, IIRC. But that's kind of stretching it, I think. Because: There are no known accidents or creepy experiments that I see any immediate sign of in Oak Ridge. Whereas: There is a yes-known enormous unmissable cascade of heavy metals and other bad stuff right into their backyard, practically, in the very recent past.

Also, Rockwood was built on a former Cherokee village that served as the headquarters for Chief Tallentuskie in the late 18th/early 19th century. Former major iron and coal country, too. They've kind of got it all.

So what do you think? Could some kind of chemical burn or something cover the symptoms? I don't know enough to know.
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Postby psynapz » Tue Sep 01, 2009 8:59 am

compared2what? wrote:There are no known accidents or creepy experiments that I see any immediate sign of in Oak Ridge.


Oak Ridge facility Y12:
Y-12 wrote:Part of the Manhattan Project, Y‑12 was built to produce enriched uranium for the first nuclear weapon, which brought an end to World War II. Portions of every weapon in the U.S. nuclear stockpile have been manufactured at Y‑12. Today we focus our expertise in three key areas:

Manufacturing Excellence — We manufacture complex components to extremely high levels of precision and have the world class technology and expertise to accurately measure component quality.
Secure Storage — As the “Fort Knox” for highly enriched uranium, we oversee the secure management and storage of special nuclear materials as weapons are retired from the national stockpile or returned for dismantlement under strategic arms reduction treaties.
Stockpile Stewardship and Management — Our science‑based stockpile stewardship helps ensure a safe and reliable nuclear deterrent through assessment, surveillance, refurbishment, and dismantlement — all without underground nuclear testing.


And as for creepy experiments in the area, there's always attaching gold nanoparticles to DNA.
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Postby Nordic » Tue Sep 01, 2009 4:37 pm

This happened to me, exactly once, in the middle of the night when I was in my early 20's.

My first thought upon looking in the mirror was "wow! If I could control this, I could start a religion and make a ton of money!"

It was pretty dramatic to say the least.

It never happened again.

People can blow snot out of their eyes. My stepdaughter used to be able to blow bubbles from her eyes. The area where you tear-up is connected to your sinuses and strange connections can be had.

I never knew what caused mine. I was living in Denver, in a nice old neighborhood. In that same bed, I once rolled over on a honeybee in the middle of the night and got stung in the back of the head. It was a weird bedroom maybe.
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Postby barracuda » Fri Sep 04, 2009 12:24 pm

The most dangerous traps are the ones you set for yourself. - Phillip Marlowe
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Postby Bridge It » Sat Sep 05, 2009 5:07 pm

my thread on this subject is better.

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Question: what do you get when you cross "The Sentinel" with Rigorous Intuition?

Answer: Nothing important.
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Keith Hudson - My Eyes Are Red

Postby IanEye » Wed Sep 09, 2009 12:24 pm

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