Subtle trolling example?

[barracuda]

I haven't been paying close attention as I've been busy, but the suggestion seems to be that a number of posters who showed up in the past couple days (at least two of which have been suspended) are just sock puppets for "the Hydra Troll." It could just be nasty forum weather, but I wouldn't be surprised if there had been a troll attack in the past few days.

Well...

Hugh left and Oyeboten showed up, apparently continuing some contention regarding Zap and many "professors".

Marmot gave a sermon and a fig, then left and Vojislav appeared to fill the homophobic fund-Xian gap.

Hugh left and Jeff finally posted - coincidence?? Not likely.

It's time for the big reveal... HUGH is JEFF'S s o c k puppet!!! Or vice-versa!! But you didn't hear it from me!

^^Those are fingers.

Granted, if I start to think about it--e.g., if you see that one former poster here had "outed" someone--who went on to run a years-long miniature PR campaign against that poster, actively monitoring that poster's behavior while silently lurking--over a year before the poster's own run-ins with that character ostensibly started--well, you begin to see that being a psychopath on the internet is a complicated and many-faceted thing.

^That's an elbow.

Zap, if you notice a collection of usernames acting in a suspicious manner, please don't use the term hydra in a sense that is demeaning to real hydras:



Hydras have feelings too. And as you can see in the image above, joyful ones.

[Hugh Manatee Wins]

Penguin, consider closely.

1) Oyeboten and exojirdik are espousing woo...which I abhor vigorously.
So there's zero congruence with my consistently espoused agenda of promoting history and science to combat the disinformation and superstition of psyops. Zero.

2) If you are suggesting that the use of keywords for subliminal framing is at play...that's the one message I've been the ONLY messenger for that you would be now validating. In other words, "HMW was right all along."
Comprende?

Only HMW will provide you with-
http://rigorousintuition.ca/board/viewtopic.php?t=18523
(Resources on history of CIA in news and entertainment.)

I provide 99% of the history and science of CIA media at this board.

Check the Psyops forum and Culture Studies form and Data Dump forum.
Even threads started by others on this subject have been the result of my influence and urging.

A few usernames have provided nothing but friction on this subject and tried to badjacket me while offering very little themselves to the board.

A few have expressed their own honest frustration with the subject and some have bitten on the poisoned hook dangled by trolls trying to inject COINTELPRO divisions on the board and with some success.

It was when username brainpanhandler posted what could be interpreted as a very subtle suggestion that professorpan and Zap were a team of some kind - or not-
http://rigorousintuition.ca/board/viewt ... &start=105

PP has made himself scarce

-that suddenly Zap started posting relentlessly that HMW was sockpuppeting the board. What a coincidence!

Recall that professorpan spent a few years denying CIA media and attacking the messenger HMW relentessly. Then professorpan blew his cool and HMW documented it-
http://rigorousintuition.ca/board/viewtopic.php?t=17733
(Thanks, Pan, for only troll posting me on 5 at once!)

professorpan laid low and then introduced the fecal narrative of teapot synchronicity to hype inconsequential coincidence followed by the appearance of Zap claiming it was his teapot website (no proof of this) and starting his first RI thread by encouraging us to just forget 9/11.

WTF?

Then in the Lounge forum Zap made a few attempts at implying CIA media was just a paranoid delusion to laugh at with his smiley face icons. But his ha-has didn't even make sense in the threads, totally non-sequitors as far as dialogue goes. Hmm. Such an effort to discredit the topic. My my.

Now Zap is spraying the board with 'HMW is sockpuppeting' agit-prop.
Hmmm.

Someone or a few have a real aversion to discussing CIA media and have targeted the messenger of this subject, HMW, to whip up a hostility to this subject as interpersonal kerfuffle.

You caught me. Psyops has not been the main tool of governance since WWII.
I made up all the history and science. CIA has never been focused on culture. Frances Stonor Saunders never published 'The Cultural Cold War: The CIA and the World of Arts and Letters.'

http://www.amazon.com/Cultural-Cold-War ... 1565846648

There never were 1953 letters from a CIA-Hollywood mole back to headquarters on manipulating every aspect of movies and awards.

http://www.rigorousintuition.ca/board/v ... hp?t=12707

According to some usernames' scorning of "huge conspiracies," there's no such thing as a national psyops program coordinated with regional centers, a system begun in WWII as the Office of War Information and as described recently in Army Field Manual 33-1 (Psychological Operations) or 100-20 (Military Operations in Low Intensity Conflict).

source-
Army Field Manual 100/20
Air Force Pamphlet 3-20
12/5/90 version

Appendix E pages E-14 and E-15

Psychological Operations

......
Objectives

Psychological operations support the achievement of national objectives and target specific groups. The PSYOP objectives for the main target groups are as follows:

* Insurgents - to create dissension, disorganization, low morale, subversion, and defection within insurgent forces. Also important are national programs to win insurgents over to the government's side.
* Civilian population - to gain, preserve, and strengthen civilian support for the government and its counterinsurgency programs.
* Military forces - to gain, preserve, or strengthen military support with emphasis on builiding and maintaining the morale of these forces. The loyalty, discipline, and motivation of the forces are critical factors in combating insurgency.
* Neutral elements - to gain the support of uncommitted groups inside and outside of the threatened nation by revealing the insurgency's subversive activities. Also important is bringing international pressure to bear on any hostile power sponsoring the insurgency.
* External hostile powers - to convince the hostile power supporting the insurgents that the insurgency will fail.

National Program

The national PSYOP program contains national objectives, plans, guidance, and desired approaches. Planners prepare and coordinate an informational program at the national level. A single agency should be responsible for coordinating these efforts to avoid conflicting themes and programs.

Agencies at all levels base their PSYOP on the national plan, interpreting them in terms of local requirements, and coordinating them through appropriate ACCs [Area Coordination Centers]. To achieve maximum effectiveness, all informational activities depend on clearly established channels.

Civilian and Military Organizations

PSYOP organizations conduct and support informational activities at the national level and at the subnational and local levels.

A single agency at the national level -

> Plans a coordinated national PSYOP program.
> Organizes, trains, and allocates PSYOP units and resources.
> Conducts strategic PSYOP.
> Develops program effectiveness criteria.
> Monitors the PSYOP program.
> Produces, analyzes, and disseminates PSYOP intelligence.
> Provides an analysis of specific target groups.

At the subnational level, the ACC translates national PSYOP programs and directives into implementing guidance for local ACCs and all government agencies. At the local level, the ACC provides direction to area agencies, forces, and PSYOP teams.
Paramilitary organizations normally do not have their own PSYOP teams. Civilian or armed forces organizations provide PSYOP support.
......

[barracuda]

Fuckin' right on, Hugh. Go get 'em, tiger.

[Hugh Manatee Wins]

Fuckin' right on, Hugh. Go get 'em, tiger.

I've been collecting material to bring to the 'Gremlins' thread and answer particulars.

So stay tuned. Thanks for obtaining the fake 'bell' lens flare in 'E. T.'
I enjoyed the Christmas image attendant.

[barracuda]

It was nothing, really. I just wanted to share the magic of the holiday.

[§ê¢rꆧ]

[ § ]

It seemed clear to me that when zap said

"Yeah, pretty sure he was one of the 'Hydra Troll's' sockity heads. But so are at least one of the posters above, of course. "

He could only have been talking about himself. Kind of outing himself as a sock puppet in a manner of good faith, it looked like to me. I thought about each of the other posters above him, and none of them have ever struck me as sock puppets (although they could be, from usernames years past, which I haven't seen). So what? Didn't zap himself say sock puppets are not against the rules? PPan makes the most sense to me. If you reverse 'pan' you get 'Nap', then the 'N' falls down and makes a 'z', see?

Okay I'll stop now

BTW, I can barely manage one username here, so no extra polynyms for §ê¢rꆧ.

[compared2what?]

According to some usernames' scorning of "huge conspiracies," there's no such thing as a national psyops program coordinated with regional centers, a system begun in WWII as the Office of War Information and as described recently in Army Field Manual 33-1 (Psychological Operations) or 100-20 (Military Operations in Low Intensity Conflict).

source-
Army Field Manual 100/20
Air Force Pamphlet 3-20
12/5/90 version

Appendix E pages E-14 and E-15

Psychological Operations

......
Objectives

Psychological operations support the achievement of national objectives and target specific groups. The PSYOP objectives for the main target groups are as follows:

* Insurgents - to create dissension, disorganization, low morale, subversion, and defection within insurgent forces. Also important are national programs to win insurgents over to the government's side.
* Civilian population - to gain, preserve, and strengthen civilian support for the government and its counterinsurgency programs.
* Military forces - to gain, preserve, or strengthen military support with emphasis on builiding and maintaining the morale of these forces. The loyalty, discipline, and motivation of the forces are critical factors in combating insurgency.
* Neutral elements - to gain the support of uncommitted groups inside and outside of the threatened nation by revealing the insurgency's subversive activities. Also important is bringing international pressure to bear on any hostile power sponsoring the insurgency.
* External hostile powers - to convince the hostile power supporting the insurgents that the insurgency will fail.

National Program

The national PSYOP program contains national objectives, plans, guidance, and desired approaches. Planners prepare and coordinate an informational program at the national level. A single agency should be responsible for coordinating these efforts to avoid conflicting themes and programs.

Agencies at all levels base their PSYOP on the national plan, interpreting them in terms of local requirements, and coordinating them through appropriate ACCs [Area Coordination Centers]. To achieve maximum effectiveness, all informational activities depend on clearly established channels.

Civilian and Military Organizations

PSYOP organizations conduct and support informational activities at the national level and at the subnational and local levels.

A single agency at the national level -

> Plans a coordinated national PSYOP program.
> Organizes, trains, and allocates PSYOP units and resources.
> Conducts strategic PSYOP.
> Develops program effectiveness criteria.
> Monitors the PSYOP program.
> Produces, analyzes, and disseminates PSYOP intelligence.
> Provides an analysis of specific target groups.

At the subnational level, the ACC translates national PSYOP programs and directives into implementing guidance for local ACCs and all government agencies. At the local level, the ACC provides direction to area agencies, forces, and PSYOP teams.
Paramilitary organizations normally do not have their own PSYOP teams. Civilian or armed forces organizations provide PSYOP support.

You know, as many times as I've seen you quote and/or paraphrase some or all of that, Hugh, I can't for the life of me recall ever seeing any posters -- or, I guess, "usernames," if it helps to depersonalize them -- according to whom there was no such thing who actually responded to you by maintaining that there was no such thing. Nor have I ever noticed any suspicious proliferation of "There are no government PSYOPS, you fools" (or some such) thread topics.

In fact, if I set out for the corner store tomorrow and ended up being bundled into a van by men in suits with earpieces who illegally renditioned me to some godforsaken rocky Mediterranean island prison complex where they chained me to a rusty ceiling pipe in an icy-cold brightly lit cell while jackbooted mercenaries held a power drill to my head while shouting at me to name a single point on which there was near-unanimous agreement among RI forum members or prepare to die horribly, I might even feel a brief, delusional moment of relief when I remembered that while it's definitely true that one poster's most profoundly held beliefs are almost inevitably the very definition of propagandistic mindfuckery to a number of others, at least we do pretty much all take the general proposition that we're being bombarded with media disinfo from just about every direction 24/7 as a fact that's far too well-established to bother trying to make disputing it on a prima facie basis any part of the vicious bickering that then ensues as usual.

So which usernames do you have in mind, exactly?

[Penguin]

Hugh, no compendre.
What c2w said.

[nathan28]

This "Professor Pan is Zap" thing is outright silliness, just about as silly as your average KWH post. Pan is or was based in Baltimore. Zap is or was recently based in Minneapolis. If you have the faintest modicum of internet know-how you'd be able to confirm these claims of theirs.

[exojuridik]

1) Oyeboten and exojirdik are espousing woo...which I abhor vigorously.
So there's zero congruence with my consistently espoused agenda of promoting history and science to combat the disinformation and superstition of psyops. Zero.

Whoa . . .hey there now. I am most decidedly anti-woo. My posts are trying to explore this phenom from my own personal perspective as a way to dispell its power. There would be nothing better for me than to awake back in bw kansas where heart, head and courage was all you needed for a meaningful and decent life. Unfortunately, I've been caught up in a psychic twister/riptide of some sort which also seems to have consumed the world. Regardless of the overall validity of my perceptions, my writing is a feeble but honest attempt to unpack the intersubjective communicative warp that has transformed otherwise bright, decent folk into oblivious, shiny-eyed denizens of a dehumanizing modernity. I'm fighting woo with woo.

Sometimes, I think language is not up for the challenge. Language games are a prison. unfortunately, I've got no musical or visual art skills to convey my thoughts or vision so I'm left with the conceit of this online persona. However, language does create our real prisons: the laws, rules and norms which permit us to embrace the horrors of our age as acceptable and necessary. My feel is that we need to recraft the communicative prisms through which we apprehend ourselves and our world. Somebody or something is fucking with our lines of perspective here and I think we need to try to lift the curtain on our captors.

Okay, I might be a quintiple agent for woo and an octaroon alien as well. I'm still not sure how et or interdimensionals or reptiles fit into the picture or how real they might in fact be but they are where my gut tells me to aim. A solely empirical approach has got us where we are today. Hugh's method of deciphering the deeper contral structures of media illustrates the very limitations of language and social science. if nothing else, the very concept of alien is imbued with a deeper social and individual meaning that is undeniably and malevolently affecting the course of human affairs; it needs to be explored/unpacked without prejudice. Vampires - they exist too, you know.

Really, I think it is possible to reach a point where modern semiotic theories of power are completely compatible with the notions of controlling others who are using a more advanced reality operating code to carryout their nefarious plans without detection.

[n0x23]

You know, as many times as I've seen you quote and/or paraphrase some or all of that, Hugh, I can't for the life of me recall ever seeing any posters -- or, I guess, "usernames," if it helps to depersonalize them -- according to whom there was no such thing who actually responded to you by maintaining that there was no such thing. Nor have I ever noticed any suspicious proliferation of "There are no government PSYOPS, you fools" (or some such) thread topics.

Well, then let me be the first to state that I think the whole Conspiracy Theory of the CIA infiltrating the media to wage Psychological Warfare on the mind's of the unsuspecting masses is absolutely, without a doubt, asinine and paranoid!

As if the US Army, the CIA's Office of Policy Co-Ordination, the Information Research Department of the British Foreign Office and the producers of Woody Woodpecker, are actually going to fund and develop Orwell's Animal Farm and 1984 into animated films and comic books for children.

Give me a break!

How tight does your tin-foil hat have to be to be...lieve...oh, wait, er...ah...um...nevermind.


I'm going to go back to sleep, 'cause Bill Hicks told me EVERYTHING is under control!

[nathan28]

You know, as many times as I've seen you quote and/or paraphrase some or all of that, Hugh, I can't for the life of me recall ever seeing any posters -- or, I guess, "usernames," if it helps to depersonalize them -- according to whom there was no such thing who actually responded to you by maintaining that there was no such thing. Nor have I ever noticed any suspicious proliferation of "There are no government PSYOPS, you fools" (or some such) thread topics.

Well, then let me be the first to state that I think the whole Conspiracy Theory of the CIA infiltrating the media to wage Psychological Warfare on the mind's of the unsuspecting masses is absolutely, without a doubt, asinine and paranoid!

As if the US Army, the CIA's Office of Policy Co-Ordination, the Information Research Department of the British Foreign Office and the producers of Woody Woodpecker, are actually going to fund and develop Orwell's Animal Farm and 1984 into animated films and comic books for children.

Give me a break!

How tight does your tin-foil hat have to be to be...lieve...oh, wait, er...ah...um...nevermind.


I'm going to go back to sleep, 'cause Bill Hicks told me EVERYTHING is under control!

I can't tell if there is sarcasm or not in the tone of your post. If it is, you're grossly oversimplifying or ignorant of the Manatee's ways, or both. Make no mistake about it, psyops-as-subject has become, on this forum, the domain of the Manatee; the Manatee is a singular character--so singular, in fact, that he's been called an agent, a fraud, a madman and an unwitting outsider artist--so ignoring the way he has routed the discussion here is a mistake. He does have, e.g., 8000+ posts. I'd suggest looking at the posts HMWs made, which he himself will point to, in the Psyops & Meme Management, the Data Dump and the Culture Studies forums--and then look at his more recent fare, about Dora the Explorer and the Gremlins, etc.

[n0x23]

[nathan28]

[n0x23]