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Who was Shakespeare?

Postby JackRiddler » Fri Oct 30, 2009 10:34 pm

What the hell, this question has yet to get the RI treatment. I think the answer is obvious, but let's begin with a capsule treatment for those who might not have considered the question, or who need a review. This will also mark a historic occasion:* the first time TIME magazine was linked on RI, at least as anything other than an organ of propaganda and moronity. The following article is short and serviceable, if thoroughly pedestrian.

* - or a shitoric one, as I typed before correcting it.

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http://www.time.com/time/printout/0,881 ... 19,00.html

Thursday, Sep. 13, 2007
The Mystery of Shakespeare's Identity
By Jumana Farouky / London

Like alien autopsies and the second gunman, the belief that someone other than a glover's son from Stratford wrote William Shakespeare's plays is a conspiracy theory that refuses to die. Doubters started questioning the true identity of the writer in the late 19th century. Ever since then, the theory of an alternate author has flirted with the mainstream as some scholars and researchers have tried to get the broader academic community to treat the question as a legitimate debate, instead of the ramblings of crackpots. Now, almost 300 Shakespeare skeptics have made a very public plea to be taken seriously.

On Sept. 10, Shakespearian actor Derek Jacobi and Mark Rylance, former artistic director of Shakespeare's Globe Theatre (a working modern replica of the London theater Will co-owned and acted at), unveiled a "Declaration of Reasonable Doubt." Created by the California-based Shakespeare Authorship Coalition, an educational charity dedicated to raising awareness of the Shakespeare identity question, the document asks the world of academia to accept that there is "room for reasonable doubt about the identity of William Shakespeare" and to start taking the research into who is really responsible for his works seriously. Along with Jacobi and Rylance, signatories include Charles Champlin, the former L.A. Times arts editor; Michael Delahoyde, an English professor at Washington State University; and Robin Fox, professor of social theory at Rutgers University in New Jersey. Some more famous names, like Mark Twain, Charles Dickens and Orson Welles, also lent their posthumous support in a list of people who expressed their own doubts about the Bard when they were alive. (See TIME's photo-essay "The Royal Shakespeare Company's Complete Histories.")

At the heart of the problem is the fact that, for a man who was so prolific with his pen, Shakespeare didn't leave much evidence of his life behind. Most scholars accept that there is enough to prove that a William Shakespeare was born in Stratford-upon-Avon, became an actor in London and retired back in Stratford until his death in 1616. But that's where the agreement ends. Stratfordians, as they are known, believe that this William Shakespeare is the same man who wrote what would become known as the greatest body of literary works in the history of the English language. The Anti-Stratfordians say that there is, in fact, nothing solid linking Shakespeare with the plays, poems and sonnets attributed to him.

And so begins the game of tit-for-tat. Stratfordians note that Shakespeare's name is printed on the title pages of many of the plays published during his lifetime. The Anti-Stratfordians point out that nobody even knows if that's how Shakespeare spelled his name: the only surviving examples of his handwriting are six scraggly signatures spelled several different ways. Those pro-Will say that some of Shakespeare's contemporaries mention him in their writings; the naysayers counter that they only refer to him as an actor, never explicitly as a playwright. (Read "Is This What Shakespeare Looked Like?")

Then there's the apparent disconnect between the life that William Shakespeare lived and the ones he wrote about. Anti-Stratfordians claim that Shakespeare's plays show a keen grasp of literature, language, court life and foreign travel — not the kinds of things that a small-town actor without a university education would be familiar with. As the Declaration says, "scholars know nothing about how he acquired the breadth and depth of knowledge displayed in the works." And so doubting scholars look to well-traveled writers and aristocrats — essayist Francis Bacon; poet and playwright Christopher Marlowe; theater patron Edward de Vere, the 17th Earl of Oxford — as the more likely candidates.

But Shakespeare advocates dismiss this as snobbery, saying that even a basic education at the time would have been enough for Will to write his plays. And, if you emphasize — as Stratfordians do — that most of Shakespeare's plays were adapted from older works, what he lacked in experience he could have made up for in imagination. "The problem is that argument presupposes that plays from the period consisted of this hidden autobiography," says leading Shakespeare scholar Jonathan Bate. "That's a modern image of the writer as someone who puts his own experiences into his plays, a very romantic idea of writing. But it's just not how plays were written back then." (Read about England's 18th century Shakespeare hoax.)

As Shakespeare (or maybe Bacon or possibly De Vere) asked, "What's in a name?" The star-crossed lovers still die, there will always be something rotten in the state of Denmark, no matter who wrote the plays. So why all the fuss? Both sides argue that knowing the identity of the man behind Hamlet, King Lear and The Tempest is essential to understanding them. "Our interpretation of Shakespeare's works would be entirely different if we knew who wrote them," says Bill Rubinstein, history professor at the University of Wales, Aberystwyth, and an academic adviser for the Shakespeare Authorship Coalition. "If he was heavily involved in politics, for example, every line in every play would have a different motivation."

The Coalition's "Declaration of Reasonable Doubt" doesn't claim to know who wrote Shakespeare's plays, but it asks that the question "should, henceforth, be regarded in academia as a legitimate issue for research and publication." Hoping to start the trend is William Leahy, head of English at Brunel University who, later this month, will teach the first ever M.A. course dedicated to the authorship question. "Shakespeare studies already look at his work from so many angles — feminist, post-colonialist, historical," he says. "And I think it's important that the authorship question is one of them." This could be much ado about nothing. Or maybe, one day, the truth will out.

* http://www.time.com/time/arts/article/0 ... 19,00.html

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Postby monster » Fri Oct 30, 2009 11:03 pm

Francis Bacon.
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Postby justdrew » Fri Oct 30, 2009 11:52 pm

for anyone who has access to the archive, (and it's cheap and well worth it), Harpers magazine has a whole issue devoted to the subject, April 1999. Looks like there's an article of such speculation from 1940 as well. The text doesn't copy and paste right or I'd grab some for here.

I like to say it just doesn't matter. The texts speak for themselves and this whole obsession with knowing the personal life of an author is damaging to literature generally. Still, this is an interesting puzzle, and even if it was simply that the primary candidate wrote them all himself, looking deeper into it is at least a fun exercise in this case.
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Postby Pazdispenser » Fri Oct 30, 2009 11:52 pm

Hey Jack -

I saw Hamlet the other night, and my date and I discussed this very question.

Im partial to Eddie De Vere. Theres a great book, "Shakespeare By Another Name", http://www.amazon.com/Shakespeare-Another-Name-Edward-Oxford/dp/B001G8WETU/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1256960740&sr=1-1 which acted for me like Jeff's Coincidence Theory on this topic. Id love to hear what other RI folks think of this book and its thesis. ANd even if De Vere wasnt The Bard, his biography is one of the most fascinating Ive read.
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Postby chiggerbit » Sat Oct 31, 2009 1:00 am

I have a particular interest in The Tempest.

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Postby alwyn » Sat Oct 31, 2009 1:44 am

Shakespeare channeled his writings...he had a spirit control who was a court philosopher :P
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Postby jingofever » Sat Oct 31, 2009 3:10 am

I think it was Jack the Ripper. You need to stretch the dates a bit but everything else checks out.
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Postby norton ash » Sat Oct 31, 2009 11:36 am

I always thought it was most likely a writing team/committee of Shakespeare, Bacon, De Vere, Marlowe, Alleyne, Burbage, Philip Sidney ... connected men, spies, illuminists, libertines, revolutionaries, pirates who spread new ideas (and encrypted messages) via the stage.

They'd get all ginned up on coffee and that cool new tobacco shit and sit around and develop plays in lamplit, smoky rooms. Probably a homunculus in the corner snickering away as well.
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Postby AhabsOtherLeg » Sat Oct 31, 2009 1:55 pm

norton ash wrote:They'd get all ginned up on coffee and that cool new tobacco shit and sit around and develop plays in lamplit, smoky rooms. Probably a homunculus in the corner snickering away as well.


Who killed Marlowe? Aye, there's the rub!

And I've got a feeling they also had a taste for stronger and cheaper stuff than coffee, what with the rumour that Shakespeare fell asleep outdoors after a booze-up with Drayton and Ben Jonson, and (possibly) caught the fever that (possibly) killed him.

Either way, I'm certain they all liked a drink, except maybe Bacon, though he died working on a way too keep their beers chilled.
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Postby jingofever » Sat Oct 31, 2009 2:03 pm

AhabsOtherLeg wrote:And I've got a feeling they also had a taste for stronger and cheaper stuff than coffee


Shakespeare freebased.
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Postby AhabsOtherLeg » Sat Oct 31, 2009 3:18 pm

That's a great find, Jingofever, I'd never heard of that before. Of all the things I imagined them taking, cocaine would not have been one of them.

``There is some suggestive evidence in Shakespeare's own writing,'' said Thackeray.

``In sonnet 76 he refers to a 'noted weed' which may have been a reference to cannabis,'' he said.

``In the same sonnet, he refers to 'compounds strange' and the word compounds is a known reference to drugs,'' he said.


This guy's never read A Midsomer Night's Dream!

Wouldn't "noted weeds and compounds" be more likely to relate to the herbal medicines still widely used then as well?

Either way, great link. Where can I get some mystiric acid?

@ Alwyn:

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It was obviously John Dee.

Hey, it's not Shakespeare, but what did you expect? :lol:
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Postby MacCruiskeen » Sat Oct 31, 2009 3:35 pm

--What is your idea of Hamlet? Haines asked Stephen.

--No, no, Buck Mulligan shouted in pain. I'm not equal to Thomas Aquinas and the fifty-five reasons he has made out to prop it up. Wait till I have a few pints in me first.

He turned to Stephen, saying, as he pulled down neatly the peaks of his primrose waistcoat:

--You couldn't manage it under three pints, Kinch, could you?

--It has waited so long, Stephen said listlessly, it can wait longer.

--You pique my curiosity, Haines said amiably. Is it some paradox?

--Pooh! Buck Mulligan said. We have grown out of Wilde and paradoxes. It's quite simple. He proves by algebra that Hamlet's grandson is Shakespeare's grandfather and that he himself is the ghost of his own father.

--What? Haines said, beginning to point at Stephen. He himself?

Buck Mulligan slung his towel stolewise round his neck and, bending in loose laughter, said to Stephen's ear:

--O, shade of Kinch the elder! Japhet in search of a father!

--We're always tired in the morning, Stephen said to Haines. And it is rather long to tell.

Buck Mulligan, walking forward again, raised his hands.

--The sacred pint alone can unbind the tongue of Dedalus, he said
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Postby JackRiddler » Sat Oct 31, 2009 5:05 pm

My loose opinions:

Does what one thinks of the author change one's reception of the plays? On some level, no doubt, but their greatness and perpetual relevance remain.

Though it's been years since I was moderately well-read on this subject, I feel safe to say we're never gonna know for sure. Even an authentic smoking-gun document establishing truth beyond denial would not achieve consensus acceptance, not after 400 years. My present model of an answer occurred to me recently, in the course of actually seeing film and theater made.

This debate seems oft-blind to the reality of theater, and bogged down in a 19th or early 20th century idea of authorship and genius as intensely individual, private, exclusive. It also has a whiff of present-day ideas of intellectual property right applied to an era when everyone stole with abandon and could more easily get away with it. I too fell once into a delusion that the question had to have one man's name as the answer. The mistake is to think of these works too generally, as texts rather than scripts, or even transcripts. "The play's the thing in which we'll catch the conscience of the King."

Of course, the idea of owning a creative work was not foreign to the Elizabethans, who jealously guarded against having their material stolen by competitors even as they stole what they could.

Apropos, click here: "The author of this motion picture"

Two companies managed and part-owned by William Shakspere of Stratford-on-Avon a.k.a. Shakespeare, actor, created these plays. The plays were performed practically as they were being written, and rewritten in the course of performance. An insatiable market demanded more, newer, faster.

For myth-making power, popularity and glamor during the city's rise to empire and golden age of arts, the London theater companies were like great Hollywood studios. Social climbers, talents high and low, venturesome courtiers, whores figurative and professional, fan-boys, scene monsters and royal propagandists all would have sought a whiff, a piece, a role. It's impossible to imagine theater without entourage.

The plays display more styles, phases and knowledgeable details than any one man can likely encompass. I reject vigorously the anti-Stratfordian canard that some enterprising commoner couldn't evoke the court or speak as a Hamlet or a Lear, not when so much points also to a strong, unapologetic sense of the common life, even of the woman's life; but the case for De Vere's involvement based on the presence of so many of his biographical details cropping up in the plays seems overwhelming. And yet he died a decade before The Tempest. Which, for all its greatness, suggests a court influence, a work of state-sponsored propaganda for New World colonialism (paging Mr. Manatee!).

If you think of Shakespeare as a producer, head writer, the era's equivalent of director, or editor-in-chief, as well as a star and above all the moral copyright holder and thus author in the way "Warner Brothers" authors films, in a time when copyrights were ill-defined, then a solution to the puzzle appears. I think several people authored or co-authored the plays, De Vere and Shakespeare no doubt primary among them, so that Shakespeare and his companies could produce them. I imagine this group not just as collaborators in art and business, but also as conspirators in propaganda operations, victims both of the censor's and the rogue publisher's interpolation, carousers through nights of ale and improvisation, no doubt wildly jealous and fighting for the accolades, rewards and credits, comrades and sometimes lovers who all felt some part in the greatness they brought forth. All were just players in it.

Bottom line? Mr. Shakespeare was the boss.

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Postby vondardanelle » Sat Oct 31, 2009 6:52 pm

did anyone read that "Secret Treasure of Oak Island" book? there was a section in that book where they speculated on what could be at the bottom of that pit on Oak Island and one of the theories was that it was proof that shakespeare didn't write his plays. i forget the exact theory, but it was interesting, and at the very least amusing.
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Postby AhabsOtherLeg » Sat Oct 31, 2009 8:15 pm

In seriousness, I'm in agreement with Norton and Jack - nearly all the plays were collaborative efforts, some more so than others, and we'll never know who did what. The poetry might well all have been Shakespeare alone (though Shakestaffe, Shagsbere, Shackspere etc. might've given him a hand) but in those days even poems weren't necessarily written solo, so who knows?

I also think it's ridiculous to say that "a rude mechanical"'s son couldn't put himself inside the heads of kings and queens and senators, and perhaps most importantly and underratedly, foreigners and ancients. Why not? Does a person need anything above and beyond a basic education before they can start to teach themself things? I don't think so. They just need the will, and a living standard that keeps them from starving or spending all their time earning/finding/hunting for food. Or poaching it.

It's not like the plays were factually accurate anyway.

And has anyone seen his spelling? :lol:

Probably they're just trying to convince themselves that their own tertiary educations were worth the time and money invested, and to bestow automatic surperiority on themselves - yet somehow none of them are Shakespeare, or anywhere close to it. Funny that.

I haven't read the Oak Island book, but I've heard that the Pit, depending on who you talk to, contains conclusive proof of everything ever. But no one's found it yet.

On Edit: I was arguing with a guy the other week who was trying to use the "artistic license" defence for Roman Polanski. It got pretty heated, and in the end I was left with no option but to kill him. He did come out with a classic line at one point, though, that stopped the argument dead:

"C'mon, give 'im a break - he wrote Macbeth!"
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