LHC director: 'Out of this door might come something'

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LHC director: 'Out of this door might come something'

Postby Jeff » Fri Nov 13, 2009 3:13 am

Collider could open hole to new dimensions

Toronto Star, Mon Nov 09 2009

A top scientist working at the Large Hadron Collider has suggested that the giant machine could create a rift to new, unknown dimensions upon activation this month.

“Out of this door might come something, or we might send something to it,” Sergio Bertolucci told reporters, according to science periodical, The Register. Bertolucci is the director for research and scientific computing at CERN, the European Organization for Nuclear Research, which controls the collider.

The Hadron collider is a 27-km long particle accelerator built underground near Geneva. Thus far, it has been plagued by technical problems. But experts say that, once started, it may be able to answer many fundamental questions of physics.

Bertolucci holds that the collider may also raise new issues that researchers cannot, as yet, imagine.

http://www.thestar.com/news/sciencetech ... dimensions



Something may come through' dimensional 'doors' at LHC

Attack of the Hyperdimensional Juggernaut-Men
By Lewis Page
Posted in Physics, 6th November 2009 12:02 GMT

A top boffin at the Large Hadron Collider (LHC) says that the titanic machine may possibly create or discover previously unimagined scientific phenomena, or "unknown unknowns" - for instance "an extra dimension".

"Out of this door might come something, or we might send something through it," said Sergio Bertolucci, who is Director for Research and Scientific Computing at CERN, briefing reporters including the Reg at CERN HQ earlier this week.

The LHC, built inside a 27-km circular subterranean tunnel deep beneath the Franco-Swiss border outside Geneva, functions like a sort of orbital motorway for extremely high-speed hadrons - typically either protons or lead ions.

The differences are, firstly, that the streams of particles are moving at velocities within a whisker of light speed - such that each stream has as much energy in it as a normal car going at 1000mph. Secondly, the beams are arranged in such fashion that the two streams swerve through one another occasionally, which naturally results in huge numbers of incredibly violent head-on collisions.

These collisions are sufficiently violent that they are expected to briefly create conditions similar to those obtaining countless aeons ago, not long after the Big Bang, when the entire universe was still inconceivably small - it was smaller than a proton for quite some time, seemingly, still with all the stuff that nowadays makes up all the supra-enormity of space and galaxies and so forth packed in somehow.

Naturally, some extremely strange phenomena are to be expected when one mangles the very fabric of space-time itself in this fashion. Various eccentric nutballs have claimed that this would doom humanity in one fashion or another; perhaps converting the entire Earth, everything on it and possibly the rest of the universe too into "strangelet soup", monopole mulligatawny or some other sort of frightful sub-particulate blancmange or custard.

It has also been suggested that cack-handed boffins at the LHC might inadvertently call into being a miniature black hole and carelessly drop this into the centre of the Earth, rather irritatingly causing the planet to implode. It's certainly to be hoped that the button marked "Call Black Hole Into Being" on the control board has some kind of flip-down cover over it.

Obviously all that's utter rubbish. But some boffins have speculated that black holes might alternatively act as spacewarp wormhole portals into alternate universes, or something. This would seem to chime with Bertolucci's remarks this week on hyperdimensional "doors" out of which might come unspecified "somethings".

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We took the matter up with Dr Mike Lamont, a control-room boffin at the LHC.

"We're hoping to see supersymmetry and extra dimensions," he confirmed.

Pressed on the matter of doors through which something might come, as hinted at by Bertolucci, Lamont rather elliptically said "well, he's a theorist", before recommending the book Warped Passages by physicist Lisa Randall. This explores ways in which extra-dimensional space and entities might interact with our own. It uses among others the example of how a sphere moving in 3D space would appear to someone living on a single 2D plane-space - that is as a mysterious circle suddenly blossoming into existence, growing, perhaps moving about and then shrinking down and vanishing again.

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Dr Bertolucci later got in touch to confirm that yes indeed, there would be an "open door", but that even with the power of the LHC at his disposal he would only be able to hold it open "a very tiny lapse of time, 10-26 seconds, [but] during that infinitesimal amount of time we would be able to peer into this open door, either by getting something out of it or sending something into it.

"Of course," adds Bertolucci, "after this tiny moment the door would again shut, bringing us back to our 'normal' four dimensional world ... It would be a major leap in our vision of Nature, although of no practcal use (for the time being, at least). And of course [there would be] no risk to the stability of our world."

We say: Excellent. Who said the LHC was a waste of money?

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/11/06 ... l_portals/
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Postby Nordic » Fri Nov 13, 2009 3:22 am

Great. Just fucking great.

Then again, things are already so fucked up .......

What is it about these kinds of people that they want to mess with fundamental powers of the Universe? Haven't they even read Frankenstein? Doesn't this ever occur to them?

Sometimes people are too smart for their own good.
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Postby 8bitagent » Fri Nov 13, 2009 3:24 am

CERN scientist turns out to be high level al Qaeda operative:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... rcher.html


Anyways, this article is quite interesting...reminds me of the opening scene of Hellboy; as well as the theories swirling around Oppenheimer and Jack Parsons.
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Postby Nordic » Fri Nov 13, 2009 3:32 am

I do believe in "God" in the sense that "God" tries to tell us things.

I can't help but think that if a bird drops a bit of bread into a multi-zillion dollar science fair project, rendering it unusable for a while, maybe "God" is trying to tell you something.

It's best to listen.

But the egos won't. The ego never does.

"We built this damn thing and by God we're gonna USE IT."

Great. Just fantastic.

I subscribe to the "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" school of thought. These guys have no idea what they're playing with, but they insist on playing with it anyway. Because it's "interesting". And it's ego-enriching. And that's fucked up.
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Postby justdrew » Fri Nov 13, 2009 4:24 am

well, let's just hope the quantum vacuum pressure in this other place is about the same as here, otherwise they could accidentally start a new big bang, or maybe our universe might get sucked into it. and if either process like that started happening, the hole could start growing on it's own and not be shut-able, although the earth would probably be gone very rapidly anyway.

Hey, maybe the multiverse will turn inside out. :lol:

or pop like a balloon, and do some reverse inflation...

it'll probably be fine though, if there are aliens (of any kind) here, surely they would stop it if it were dangerous.
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Postby Nordic » Fri Nov 13, 2009 6:21 am

This just reminds me of a potential "Darwin Awards" winner, only on a grand scale that might consume all of us.

It's like little boys playing with fireworks times a zillion.

Chimpanzees playing with loaded guns.

"Hey, here's this nuclear fusion device. Let's set it off and see what happens!" "Yeah, it'll be cool!"

It's like high science meets Beavis and Butthead. Only we could all end up victims of these fucktards.

GMO crops are a similar thing. Fucking around with something where you have NO IDEA of the actual consequences. Playing God.

Playing God usually doesn't work out too well.

And I'm all for the stupids weeding themselves out of the population, but I have a real problem with the stupids taking down a lot of other people with them.
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Postby tazmic » Fri Nov 13, 2009 6:29 am

That article is so badly written... if it wasn't obscuring it's nonsense
behind 'science sounding stuff' I don't think anyone here would give
it the time of day...

"...a very tiny lapse of time, 10-26 seconds, [but] during that infinitesimal amount of time..." :roll:

Although I have to admit I'd love to see an extra dimension come walking
through that door....
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Postby brainpanhandler » Fri Nov 13, 2009 6:48 am

tazmic wrote:"...a very tiny lapse of time, 10-26 seconds, [but] during that infinitesimal amount of time..." :roll:


I think that is supposed to be read as 10 to the power of minus 26 seconds.
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Postby brainpanhandler » Fri Nov 13, 2009 7:22 am

The differences are, firstly, that the streams of particles are moving at velocities within a whisker of light speed - such that each stream has as much energy in it as a normal car going at 1000mph. Secondly, the beams are arranged in such fashion that the two streams swerve through one another occasionally, which naturally results in huge numbers of incredibly violent head-on collisions.


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Postby MacCruiskeen » Fri Nov 13, 2009 8:07 am

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Postby barracuda » Fri Nov 13, 2009 11:41 am

Nobody spends 5 billion dollars to manifest Higgs bosons, or to altruistically add to the supersymmetrical particle zoo out of some spirit of philanthropy to the sheer curiosity of physicists. Consider that the world's largest telescope cost a mere 180 million. You could build six of them for one-fifth the cost of this project. There are almost certainly military applications to these atom-smashers which which don't make it into the press releases.
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Postby monster » Fri Nov 13, 2009 12:22 pm

8bitagent wrote:as well as the theories swirling around Oppenheimer and Jack Parsons.


It reminds me of that too. If flying saucers came through a dimensional rift in 1947, what the heck is gonna come through this one? Satan herself?
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Postby Nordic » Fri Nov 13, 2009 1:01 pm

barracuda wrote:Nobody spends 5 billion dollars to manifest Higgs bosons, or to altruistically add to the supersymmetrical particle zoo out of some spirit of philanthropy to the sheer curiosity of physicists. Consider that the world's largest telescope cost a mere 180 million. You could build six of them for one-fifth the cost of this project. There are almost certainly military applications to these atom-smashers which which don't make it into the press releases.



Well you make an oh-so-obvious point that I'd never thought of before ...

Great, now I'm really freaked out. :shock:

Seems like bad science fiction. The Evil Generals standing around the Doomsday Machine with the mad scientists, about to turn it on .....

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"The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents. We live on a placid island of ignorance in the midst of black seas of infinity, and it was not meant that we should voyage far. The sciences, each straining in its own direction, have hitherto harmed us little; but some day the piecing together of dissociated knowledge will open up such terrifying vistas of reality, and of our frightful position therein, that we shall either go mad from the revelation or flee from the light into the peace and safety of a new dark age."

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