Confessions Of A Former Alex Jones Fan

[23]

The notion that one could distill a general sense of his mistrust of authority from all those tentacles of incitement is not sound. .

Since I am more than willing to include actual quotes or citations of someone that I might be claiming said this or that (a good practice to do, in general)...

I'll ask you to cite actual words of his which cause you to draw the conclusions that you do.

Otherwise, they will stand as conclusions sans the material that led you to draw them.

[lightningBugout]

I already posted his quote about the great gay baby-stealing conspiracy on that other thread. You posted on that thread, after my post, which implies you did see the material. Which makes it an odd choice to be so pedantic (ie "Since I am more than willing to include actual quotes or citations of someone that I might be claiming said this or that (a good practice to do, in general).....") Additionally, 8bit posted multiple damning links to AJ's drawing-room-quality gay-bashing upthread.

[23]

I already posted his quote about the great gay baby-stealing conspiracy on that other thread. You posted on that thread, after my post, which implies you did see the material. Which makes it an odd choice to be so pedantic (ie "Since I am more than willing to include actual quotes or citations of someone that I might be claiming said this or that (a good practice to do, in general).....") Additionally, 8bit posted multiple damning links to AJ's drawing-room-quality gay-bashing upthread.

In that case, I'll treat your "you'll have to go there for the reasons for my conclusions" (my comment, not yours) appropriately.

And implications are almost always subjective experiences ["which implies you did see the material" (your comment, not mine)]. I encourage you to value explicitness more than inference.

[lightningBugout]

Bogus, 23. I posted that quote within the past 24 hours on a thread in which you were one of the main participants and on which you have since posted. To infer you saw it is only to infer that you actually read the posts of others.

But, in the interest of getting you to respond to the material and not make a strawman out of my BB etiquette or lack thereof, here you go, a re-post just for you:

"I don't like that your culture doesn't produce children, so you gotta come rob ours. See you're like, oh, just let me have my rights, and do what I want in my own bedroom. Go ahead, I'm not obsessed with that, I'm not hung up on that, like all the fake Republican leaders who are all constantly caught in bathrooms and trying to bugger children. I'm not obsessed and hung up on it.

"But I do know that almost every family court judge I've studied in the country that seizes kids is a lesbian or a gay man, and they feed the kids to the child protection system that then give them to gay and lesbian families, and I'm telling you, your headhunting of children is bad news and very very wicked, and you know what? You're committing a crime and you need to face up to the fact that you don't reproduce, so decide that you're not going to have children."

Bonus:

Alex Jones' on how gay people "replicate by recruitment"

[23]

As the saying goes, "there's a little bit of truth in everything." I subscribe to interpretation. And I won't assume that you do or you don't.

And as I said earlier, it's not the man's ideology that gives me reason to praise him. It's the effect that he's having on many neighbors of mine. Neighbors who once blindly trusted Uncle Sam or were apathetic to his misdeeds.

Since they don't come to the RI to receive their awakening pills, I'm tinkled pink that AJ has something to do with it.

Your mileage may vary, of course. But I'm not interested in having our mileages line up in the first instance.

Bogus, 23. I posted that quote within the past 24 hours on a thread in which you were one of the main participants and on which you have since posted. To infer you saw it is only to infer that you actually read the posts of others.

But, in the interest of getting you to respond to the material and not make a strawman out of my BB etiquette or lack thereof, here you go, a re-post just for you:

"I don't like that your culture doesn't produce children, so you gotta come rob ours. See you're like, oh, just let me have my rights, and do what I want in my own bedroom. Go ahead, I'm not obsessed with that, I'm not hung up on that, like all the fake Republican leaders who are all constantly caught in bathrooms and trying to bugger children. I'm not obsessed and hung up on it.

"But I do know that almost every family court judge I've studied in the country that seizes kids is a lesbian or a gay man, and they feed the kids to the child protection system that then give them to gay and lesbian families, and I'm telling you, your headhunting of children is bad news and very very wicked, and you know what? You're committing a crime and you need to face up to the fact that you don't reproduce, so decide that you're not going to have children."

Bonus:

Alex Jones' on how gay people "replicate by recruitment"

[lightningBugout]

I'm against guilds of people getting together and, and, with the CPS, they take heterosexual family homeschoolers' kids -- on record -- and give it to the gay and lesbian families.

So I'm not saying all the gay people are involved in this, but there are gangs of different gangs of people. That's how humans arrange themselves and its wrong.

And they shouldn't teach anything sexual to six or seven-year-olds in school.

Theres, theres, recruiting going on.

And, just stay away from our kids, man, regardless with any type of stuff. All this recruiting, all this agenda, ok?

Gay folks don't have children so they replicate by recruitment.

And, that's fine with consenting adults, But just look, there's a lot I mean alot of really bad stuff and out of control self-desructive stuff.

Gay men have the lowest life-expectancy in the country, even below black men, who are next. I mean it's, you know, I care about these people but it's very destructive what's going on. okay? very, very simple

This is like a greatest hits collection of gaybashing hate speech. Your total unwillingness to even acknowledge its existence but instead to refer to that little bit of "truth" in everything is despicable. There is absolutely no truth to the notion that gay people "recruit" or that there is any correlation whatsoever between child abuse or child corruption and homosexual individuals. And for fuck's sake, there is no conspiracy among gay people to steal hetero people's children.

ON EDIT:

For some reason this is making me laugh:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEVhKff9XNw

[IanEye]

Gay men have the lowest life-expectancy in the country, even below black men, who are next. I mean it's, you know, I care about these people but it's very destructive what's going on. okay?

So, has AJ ever had Gore Vidal on as a guest on his show? They both have interesting views on Timothy McVeigh....

[8bitagent]

23, the man claims that gay people are stealing children and that homosexuals have a "recruitment" agenda. And he advertises on Rush Limbaugh. And his website advertising and copious products could make a very strong case that there is a strong correlation between the tenor of his hysteria and the number of moneybags he deposits.

Cui Bono? AJ.

Not to mention, having subjected myself several times to his comment boards, they are invariably saturated with hate speech against gays, Muslims, Mexicans, etc.

The notion that one could distill a general sense of his mistrust of authority from all those tentacles of incitement is not sound. One may as well argue that at least Stormfront's stated support for the Palestinians is admirable.

Yeah AJ is clever to make his extreme anti gay views only during midway points in the show to callers...but it is absolutely there. I've heard him call gay people parasites, wicked, and many other things. Then when confronted with it by a caller, he'll say "it's a wedge issue! Um...9/11! NWO! Biometric control grids! BWARRR!"

23 said AJ has woken up people to questioning; great I say...but what happens when the alternate to being blind to whats going on is also shaped with a poison pill? A lot of people are impressionable, so when he all but calls Mexican immigrants filth infesting America or gays trying to snatch kids and being pedophiles....and then in the next breath says "buy a gun, heres a gun, try this free gun and gun course"...oh, but then says
how the elite are killing the blacks and slaughtering brown people overseas...I can see how people may be confused.

Something strange about Stormfront. They LOVE Alex Jones and conspiracy culture. A lot of times I'll be googling for articles on say, the Dubai sex trade or worker conditions in the Arab world, or something I had heard on Alex Jones regarding a coverup...and the Stormfront/Vanguard/neo Nazi sites seem to be the first in google searches. And you go on their forums and they post everything from Alex Jones, even though Alex Jones is always warning of Nazis.

What gets even more confusing is the media says Timothy Mcveigh was fueled by racism and "NWO" conspiracy paranoia...so Im sure when some unstable racist nut with a gun(Pittsburgh shooter) listens to both conspiracy patriot radio and the "mud races taking our guns" stuff, it gets a bit confusing.

The comment section on Prisonplanet is filled with absolute hate of Mexicans, gays, Jews...just wild

I think he is generating more bullshit than ever, the Charlie Sheen episode had all the integrity of a doorstep confidence trick.

I too remember when he had Sibel on - given she was under a gag order and was just starting to get traction, his questioning approach was beyond crass.

Still, he has helped Peter Dale Scott get a wider audience and his last film was definitely the best he has done and paradoxically by far the most measured.

8bit, I place great store in your description of personal interactions with him. Seeing how people show up around others is really important. It reminded me of stories I had heard of Richard Dawkins, George Monbiot and others.

Did he have Peter Dale Scott on? Well Im glad he's at least given left leaning activists a platform. But man, the second any of them mentions the dire consequences of climate changes, he's right back down their throat.

The funny thing about AJ in "real life" when he isn't in front of a mic or podium, is he doesn't have that faux Rush Limbaugh gimmick/voice that he's used since the late 90's, but it still comes off all the more disconcerting.

[operator kos]

LMAO 8bit.... that parody site was so spot-on.

[8bitagent]

This is like a greatest hits collection of gaybashing hate speech. Your total unwillingness to even acknowledge its existence but instead to refer to that little bit of "truth" in everything is despicable. There is absolutely no truth to the notion that gay people "recruit" or that there is any correlation whatsoever between child abuse or child corruption and homosexual individuals. And for fuck's sake, there is no conspiracy among gay people to steal hetero people's children.

ON EDIT:

For some reason this is making me laugh:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEVhKff9XNw

Well he's actually toned down his anti gay rhetoric if you can believe it.
I remember in the early 2000's(looking at older archives) he would have ministers and "Christian activists" always on talking about gays being part of a "Satanic agenda".

When you reduce people down to "parasitic pedophiles" or "infesting filth"(the "hordes of Mexicans taking over") you reduce them to less than human ala a Jew circa 1936.

[sfnate]

Alex Jones has charisma. If he were alive in the 1930s, you might have seen him exercising the fullest extent of his powers of persuasion in a tent full of devoted listeners.

What happens is, a guy gets a good idea, and he discovers that people will actually stop and listen, hear him out, let him take his notion toward the extremities of its own logic and commonsense.

Pretty soon the guy is spending more and more of his day haranguing a growing crowd.

But his wife and his landlord start complaining that he's behind on the rent, the kids are hungry.

The John the Baptist routine is nice for the casual passersby, maybe he's even got a few regulars showing up, but the nagging necessity of paying bills and keeping the wife and kids happy is a growing problem.

So our inspired prophet starts passing the cup, and behold, the cup is full of silver coins.

Time to get a bigger tent.

Maybe amplify the message, get more people inside.

The original crowd is becoming a bit jaded--need to do something to keep them interested.

Of course, the prophet is not immune to his own brilliance: he's a Big Man now with an Important Message.

Any fool can see that.

So what happens?

We know what happens. The psychologist might call it "inflation", but the average Joe just says "it's gone to his head".

Alex Jones has created an industry. The machinery of his growing operation is lubricated with the fear and anxiety we all feel when we look around and see our neighborhoods invaded by and colonized by the super efficient forces of organized greed and militarized control.

Alex Jones needs money to keep the expanding circus act of his apocalypse carnival running. Sadly, or inevitably, he has grown to rely on all the time-proven tricks of the sideshow trade. Same tricks invented by the snake oil salesmen and perfected in the labs on Mad Avenue.

Alex Jones has become the Alex Jones Show, a parasitic beast of an operation that has a perversely symbiotic relationship with the very monsters it rants against.

Alex Jones needs the monsters. Maybe the monsters need Alex Jones.

They both need your money.

Carnivals are okay when you're a child, but as you get a bit older, a bit wiser, that constant barking and flashing anarchy of distorted freakshow chaos gets tiring and loses whatever exotic allure it might have had for a 10 year old boy, or girl.

Don't waste whatever energies you have left at the end of your work day contorting yourself into the pretzel shape of high anxiety over the vicious soul-sapping diatribes from the likes of Alex Jones or Rush Limbaugh.

Life's too short, and is getting shorter by the minute.

[8bitagent]

Don't waste whatever energies you have left at the end of your work day contorting yourself into the pretzel shape of high anxiety over the vicious soul-sapping diatribes from the likes of Alex Jones or Rush Limbaugh.

Life's too short, and is getting shorter by the minute.

Chilling, but brilliantly stated.

I feel like I need a shower just thinking how many times I had linked a friend online or forumgoer over the years to an Alex Jones documentary or article. hoo boy, shoulda gone with my gut instincts.

It's funny isn't it...by being in the "cool in club" of what is affectionately dubbed the conspiracy crowd "exposing the powers that be" one sometimes ends off mentally/time/energy wise worse off than the "sheep blind to whats REALLY going on, man"

I'd almost rather be that Cipher in the Matrix, eating that steak.

[Searcher08]

Don't waste whatever energies you have left at the end of your work day contorting yourself into the pretzel shape of high anxiety over the vicious soul-sapping diatribes from the likes of Alex Jones or Rush Limbaugh.

Life's too short, and is getting shorter by the minute.

Chilling, but brilliantly stated.

I feel like I need a shower just thinking how many times I had linked a friend online or forumgoer over the years to an Alex Jones documentary or article. hoo boy, shoulda gone with my gut instincts.

It's funny isn't it...by being in the "cool in club" of what is affectionately dubbed the conspiracy crowd "exposing the powers that be" one sometimes ends off mentally/time/energy wise worse off than the "sheep blind to whats REALLY going on, man"

I'd almost rather be that Cipher in the Matrix, eating that steak.

Really interesting comments about Alex Jones creating the "ALEX JONES MACHINE CORP"

I did an informal survey of just how much horrendous stuff was "supposed to happen soon" . There seems to have been SO much stuff that was going to be a huge bell clanging disaster that wasnt.

SARS.
Bird flu.
War with Iran.
US Martial Law.
WebBots telling the future
blah
blah
blah

The BBC news to me now seems as transparent as Tony Robbins INFOMERCIALS (that had to be emphasized cos it was Tony!)
It's just as important to me now to be teaching myself PC home recording as it is to post on R.I.
LifeHacking is fun and cool and takes loads of work
My family are more important and I see them more often.
I walk for an hour nearly every day.
If a dog and thier owner pass me I smile and say "Hello" at the dog and then speak to the owner.

[JackRiddler]

And as I said earlier, it's not the man's ideology that gives me reason to praise him. It's the effect that he's having on many neighbors of mine. Neighbors who once blindly trusted Uncle Sam or were apathetic to his misdeeds. Since they don't come to the RI to receive their awakening pills, I'm tinkled pink that AJ has something to do with it.

What is his ideology? Is it not part of the effect he's having on many of your neighbors?

That's the rationalization for the clown king I've heard for many years from good people who know better but seem to wish Jones's high dose of hatred and ignorance is just part of an antithesis stage on the way to universal enlightenment. At synthesis time his listeners will shed the bad "ideology" and be left only with the positive "effect."

It amounts to a defense from popularity from those who think they need to accept him because he speaks against the ruling propaganda to millions who otherwise seem to be out of reach. I submit it's partly a function of the way we've all been conditioned to accept right-wing hatreds and identity politics as states that cannot be changed and therefore must be coddled and accommodated. Implicit in it (whether intended or not) is a view of Uncle Sam Americans as infants who can only be moved by cartoons.

So some who know better ignore the hatred and ignorance, and give him false credit for the influence of the 9/11 truth movement, which long ago descended into fallacy and farce in part thanks to this tactical acceptance of his ilk.

Awakening to what?

A mythology that only appears to oppose, but only obscures the observable workings of capitalist class society?

Reasons to hate gays, Mexicans and liberals that at least come with a call for revolution against the power elite?

Who do you think is going to be targeted when the crunch comes? You know the Nazis also avowed a rejection of the German ruling class of their time, but soon as they got the go-ahead from the bankers and industrialists it was the out-groups who were lined up for extermination, and the bankers and industrialists who made money from it.

We can't go too far on what ifs, but do you really believe that, after the 9/11 and Iraq propaganda operations and the bankers' plunder, these neighbors of yours experienced a partial awakening because of Alex Jones?! Do you think that without him they'd still be just as trusting in Uncle Sam?

Do you think there would be less people questioning the official story of 9/11 today if it hadn't been for Loose Change and its no-plane bullshit? I don't. I do think they might be asking better questions and forcing the official story to fall apart. Alex Jones and Loose Change have helped only to polarize the vast majority in defense of the official lies against their alternative lies.

I won't conclude but am well within my rights to wonder if you're not engaging in a form of false hope or power worship. He does have a big audience, but in a revolutionary moment, what do you think they're going to do?

.

[JackRiddler]

I responded to 23 before reading sfnate's post. sfnate, you tell the story so well I'll repeat it as a worthy last word:

Alex Jones has charisma. If he were alive in the 1930s, you might have seen him exercising the fullest extent of his powers of persuasion in a tent full of devoted listeners.

What happens is, a guy gets a good idea, and he discovers that people will actually stop and listen, hear him out, let him take his notion toward the extremities of its own logic and commonsense.

Pretty soon the guy is spending more and more of his day haranguing a growing crowd.

But his wife and his landlord start complaining that he's behind on the rent, the kids are hungry.

The John the Baptist routine is nice for the casual passersby, maybe he's even got a few regulars showing up, but the nagging necessity of paying bills and keeping the wife and kids happy is a growing problem.

So our inspired prophet starts passing the cup, and behold, the cup is full of silver coins.

Time to get a bigger tent.

Maybe amplify the message, get more people inside.

The original crowd is becoming a bit jaded--need to do something to keep them interested.

Of course, the prophet is not immune to his own brilliance: he's a Big Man now with an Important Message.

Any fool can see that.

So what happens?

We know what happens. The psychologist might call it "inflation", but the average Joe just says "it's gone to his head".

Alex Jones has created an industry. The machinery of his growing operation is lubricated with the fear and anxiety we all feel when we look around and see our neighborhoods invaded by and colonized by the super efficient forces of organized greed and militarized control.

Alex Jones needs money to keep the expanding circus act of his apocalypse carnival running. Sadly, or inevitably, he has grown to rely on all the time-proven tricks of the sideshow trade. Same tricks invented by the snake oil salesmen and perfected in the labs on Mad Avenue.

Alex Jones has become the Alex Jones Show, a parasitic beast of an operation that has a perversely symbiotic relationship with the very monsters it rants against.

Alex Jones needs the monsters. Maybe the monsters need Alex Jones.

They both need your money.

Carnivals are okay when you're a child, but as you get a bit older, a bit wiser, that constant barking and flashing anarchy of distorted freakshow chaos gets tiring and loses whatever exotic allure it might have had for a 10 year old boy, or girl.

Don't waste whatever energies you have left at the end of your work day contorting yourself into the pretzel shape of high anxiety over the vicious soul-sapping diatribes from the likes of Alex Jones or Rush Limbaugh.

Life's too short, and is getting shorter by the minute.