UFO event in Norway

[82_28]

Good thing we're all modern. Cos otherwise we'd all be thinking it was an omen or something.

Thank the gods for technology and our ability to wield it!

[brainpanhandler]

trail from launch at White Sands Missile Range, New Mexico, USA

You'll notice how different parts of the vapor trail refract the sunlight striking it in different ways based on the angle of incidence thereby creating various colors, including blue.

[brainpanhandler]

The red pin marks the white sea where russia apparently tests it's submarine missle systems. All of the photos and videos I have seen so far had to have been shot facing toward the east or southeast as sunlight is visible on the horizon. How then can it be that the only photographic evidence I can find is from Norway. Justdrew is right. Where the hell is the photogrpahic evidence from sweden and finland?

It is strange that in every single picture, the plane of the spiral disk seems to be directly perpendicular to the line of sight of the photographer.

that may be because it's spherical

if not, seems like they're all taken from around the same town, so it may just be that all the shots are taken from nearly the same spot, relative to it's distance. and about the distance... how huge does that disk need to be I wonder? It's visible to halfway down Norway... over an area of a couple hundred miles. There should be pictures from northern Sweden and Finland as well, yet we've heard nothing about that

I doubt it's spherical, at least that doesn't make sense to me if it's a missle. But neither does it make sense to me that the spiral appears to be on a plane because that would mean that the missle was headed directly toward the people who took the photographic evidence or that it just stopped in midair and spun around and around which makes no sense at all. Surely the Russians are careful enough with this bullshit that even a malfunctioning rocket will not overfly neighboring countries. I mean I understand there are failsafes which can cut the engines off, which apparently did not work in this case, but I can't believe the russians just fire off test rockets in a way where there is the chance the damn thing will land in populated areas if it malfunctions.

Alright, I'm back to being fucking confused.

[brainpanhandler]

I pm'd penguin. His last post was nov 29th so he hasn't been around for awhile. But maybe he'll have some insight as he lives somewhere in finland.

[Wombaticus Rex]

Let's have a moratorium on posting huge pics for the rest of the thread.

Scrolling to read every sentence = pain in the monkey's ass.

The monkey being me.

[elfismiles]

Well, while I think the most likely explanation is the missile test hypoth I will say there is still some wiggle room in my feeling on that, especially as it relates to the possibility that it wasn't a "failed test" at all perhaps and was, as some have intimated, perhaps a very specific message (presumably from Russia if the missile test idea has any validity).

I am hearing from all sorts of New Age folks a very synchromystic interpretation, that even if it is the result of the missile test it is still a SIGN and a very powerful and positive one.

Meanwhile my close friend who is into the Maitreya stuff says:

There was another similar sighting in China, in which the spiral changed directions, but I failed to copy the link, as I can't read Chinese.

Here's the response from the Share International office:

The huge spiral luminary seen over Norway on December 9 is a herald of Maitreya, the World Teacher, who will speak publicly for the first time on a major US television program. More such manifestations are planned for the near future. Watch the sky and your television. December 11, 2009

Valerie Carson posted something on Facebook about the Norwegian spiral, which I responded to, based largely on the following assessment:

"The curious thing is that while denying the existence of UFOs they [governments] have sought to denigrate occupants of these ‘non-existent’ craft as malicious, threatening the wellbeing of humanity." -- Benjamin Creme

So I did find this image supposedly from the China phenomenon but no links yet to info on the incident:

A similar spiral occurred over China last year, which the Russians' story does not fully explain. (Source: Daily Mail)

There are still unexplained details about the event that are sure to excite conspiracy theorists. First of all the blue-green light would suggest the presence of copper(II) chloride in the rocket flame. However, copper chloride, while commonly used in pyrotechnics, isn't hasn't traditionally been used in rocket fuel (though it has been reportedly investigated as a catalyst in propellant reactions). Also strange is that a similar spiral and explosion occurred over China last year, according to the Daily Mail. If it was indeed the third stage that caused the scene over Norway, and no previous launch had made it past the first stage, it's unclear what might have caused the similar scene in China.

http://www.dailytech.com/Russia+Claims+ ... e17104.htm

[brainpanhandler]

I resized the images wrex. Is that better? I've always wondered what size to make images so that they work on anyone's screen.

[barracuda]

It is strange that in every single picture, the plane of the spiral disk seems to be directly perpendicular to the line of sight of the photographer.

that may be because it's spherical

There is no such thing as a three-dimensional sphere internally constructed in such a way that all observers of the object perceive it as a spiral presented in perfect perpendicularity to the eyeline. At least not that I can come up with. And it's easy to see why not, if you think about it for a little while. A spiral is a planar object, which can be mapped onto other three dimensional shapes, but cannot extend outwardly in all directions like a geometric solid such as a sphere or a symmetrical polyhedra might.

if not, seems like they're all taken from around the same town, so it may just be that all the shots are taken from nearly the same spot, relative to it's distance. and about the distance... how huge does that disk need to be I wonder?

I would normally be fine with that idea, but the coincidence of the perpendicular planar alignment with the only town or area from which the object could be seen is just a bit too neat without some explanation of the why.

Why, why, why?

[elfismiles]

I would normally be fine with that idea, but the coincidence of the perpendicular planar alignement with the only town or area from which the object could be seen is just a bit too neat without some explanation of the why.

Why, why, why?

Very interesting points cuda.

I think the entire display was WAY up there, perhaps so high that the vantage points from within the one apparent town the photos and videos were taken in more or less had the same vantage point with little angular variation simply because what they were observing was so high up. Like the infamous multiple shots of Venus videotaped from across Mexico in the MESSENGERS OF DESTINY documentary.

But that doesn't explain why no photos from other locales. And not all of the still photos show the spiral.

The translation in this video seems to indicate that the photos and video were not all from the same town but all over Norway. And there might be footage / info on the China claims...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vCQ1Y4k2p10

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... Nick Banbury, who witnessed the event from Harstad, Norway:

“It consisted initially of a green beam of light similar in color to the aurora with a mysterious rotating spiral at one end….this spiral then got bigger and bigger until it turned into a huge halo in the sky with the green beam extending down to the earth. According to the press, this could be seen all over northern Norway and must therefore have been very high up in the atmosphere to be seen hundreds of km apart”

http://www.examiner.com/x-5182-Dallas-W ... Norway-UFO

What kind of candlepower would be required to project a funnel / cone shaped beam from say, a missile launch site, so that the missile's smoke / vapor trails, or as supposed in the failed missile test hypoth - ejecting fluids, would be illuminated in a cone / comet tail style as we see in this footage?

I saw brainsturbators link to the light graffiti projector but ...

EDIT EDIT: okay here is the china refs and footage:

UPDATE: Similar thing in China:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixLE3iuszbU

if you look closely, the rotation is clockwise, than later it stops and goes counterclockwise

[Wombaticus Rex]

Thanks for resizing the images!

Got a reply back from my homey at the GRL about the logistics of this:

word, heard about this in passing but didn't look into it til now. Seems like they're claiming missile test if you believe it.

But for something that massive and seemingly long-range you'd have to probably use a hardcore industrial laser projector, vs the digital/bulb/lumens kind of projectors that we used.

Its largely a problem of the spread, that a conventional lens can't keep the light focused in a beam over a huge distance. But a laser does just that, very well. We had situations where we had the projector set close to the viewing surface, but were controlling it with a laser pointer from across a harbor.

Maybe you heard about James, who got detained in China? He was planning to do some high-profile projections during the olympics, essentially making a stencil that could be used with a conventional, high-powered, handheld laser pointer. Unfortunately he got detained before he could do anything, but that has potential.

But i think the scale of this would require something really really beefy.

[barracuda]

There are still unexplained details about the event that are sure to excite conspiracy theorists. First of all the blue-green light would suggest the presence of copper(II) chloride in the rocket flame.

There has been some discussion of the effect of Rayleigh scattering with regards to the blue color of the beam-like spiral. The blue shift seems to be dependent upon the particulate size, which may be different in the two aspects over Norway.

As far as laser projection goes, doesn't this require a "screen" layer on which to resolve the beam? If so, I am back at the same issue of perpendicularity, because any projector capable of focusing at such a distance would need to be anamorphically calibrated to account for the perspective vanishing points of the viewers taking the pictures. That is, a "round" projection would resolve into a figure resembling a conical intersect without some such adjustment.

I am beginning to lean towards the "transdimensional escargot" theory. The only problem with that is, there's not enough butter and garlic in the whole world.

One other point: the distance to the display here is somewhat irrelevant. Objects as distant as spiral galaxies can be viewed obliquely if they are holding this attitude vis a vis the viewer. So in any case the actual yaw of the spiral plane must have been at very close to 90 degrees to the observers.

[Maddy]

I like that, "transdimensional escargot".

[barracuda]

These things do happen.

[brainpanhandler]

So in any case the actual yaw of the spiral plane must have been at very close to 90 degrees to the observers.

Alright, but explain to me, please, how the hell there can be a plane at all.

I mean either what you say is correct except that it's actually a vortex which appears to be a plane because of the the observers orientation or the frickin missle stopped in midair and spun until it ran out of fuel.

I must be missing something. How am I wrong here?

[barracuda]

Well that's a good point, brain - a Catherine Wheel needs to be nailed to a post in order to produce a planar exhibit. So the "missile" must have been very nearly motionless along the z-axis to achieve the effect it did. I think I need to check out the computer simulation again.

On reviewing the Daily Mail's first video, it does seem as if the spiral is seen at a more on-edge, oblique angle in that one, less perpendicular to the plane.