UFO event in Norway

[brainpanhandler]

However, here's what looks to me like the best possible explanation so far.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zx8i5EfmYU4

Ha. That's the infamous computer simulation which I made the mistake of deeming "pretty conclusive" that caused the dust up between nathan28 and myself and stickitupyourarsedog99. Geez. Didn't your read the thread? Or is that just the driest delivery ever?

[brainpanhandler]

Right. Fucking Penguin did it.

Ya know, if there was an award for "most consistently and perfectly appropriate image" here at RI you would win it hands down. How do you do that?

I got word from our crazy feathered finnish friend. Here's the text:

Penguin,

There's a thread in general about the crazy failed russian missile? spiral thingy seen over norway this past wednesday. A few people are wondering why there is no photographic evidence from northern sweden or finland. Any thoughts? What's the word in Finland?

I dont know - Ive been under the weather for a while and havent followed any news really...
All I read was a short local newspaper article saying it was a failed russian missile test - "no comment from russian authorities"...

I guess he didn't have anything to do with it after all. It does bring up the official russian response question though. Has there been an official russian statement?

[Perelandra]

However, here's what looks to me like the best possible explanation so far.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zx8i5EfmYU4

Ha. That's the infamous computer simulation which I made the mistake of deeming "pretty conclusive" that caused the dust up between nathan28 and myself and stickitupyourarsedog99. Geez. Didn't your read the thread? Or is that just the driest delivery ever?

F*ck. Sorry dude, I missed it. But it makes a lot more sense to me than any other idea, for now.

[brainpanhandler]

No apology necessary. Rather I should probably apologize to you because now you're likely to get razzed. It does fall short of illustrating how a missile could produce the phenomena in the photographic evidence, but I'll stick by what should be the uncontroversial assertion that computer simulations can be helpful in visualizing complicated phenomena.

[nathan28]

No apology necessary. Rather I should probably apologize to you because now you're likely to get razzed. It does fall short of illustrating how a missile could produce the phenomena in the photographic evidence, but I'll stick by what should be the uncontroversial assertion that computer simulations can be helpful in visualizing complicated phenomena.

And I'll stick to the uncontroversial claim that a common propellant, nitrous, which might work to launch rockets or might not, is a great drug! (reaching for can right now, yes, for real)

[Perelandra]

It does fall short of illustrating how a missile could produce the phenomena in the photographic evidence, but I'll stick by what should be the uncontroversial assertion that computer simulations can be helpful in visualizing complicated phenomena.

Agreed and what interested me about the simulation was the correspondence to the video evidence, not the photographic.

[Perelandra]

(reaching for can right now, yes, for real)

You are crazed. Think I'll go up the street and get a can for old times' sake...wtf.

[psynapz]

That's pretty interesting, psynaps. However, Hoagland is kind of a dork. A massive hell mean weapon seems like nothing but a devoted follower prick up their ars.

What the hell does that have to do with anything? He pointed out one good thing. Stop trying to throw yo baaaad jackets (Digit!) on people and let the individual messages they have stand on their own. In this case, mofo pointed out a real intrestin coincidance that certainly stands on its own.

My understanding of torsion physics is that it is simply a fancy means of referring to "twisting" effects and is essentially pure
pseudoscientific mumbo-jumbo.

You probably haven't given the research of Kozyrev or, by extension, Wilcock, a thorough and fair shake. He has several entire book-length books written which are all free reads on his site. I've read one and it was damn interesting. Lots of cross-confirmation throughout.

I'd like to believe the HAARP angle, too, and that would prob. be an "atmospheric phenomenon" of the militarized sort, but Richard Hoaglund is a tool and a synarchist stooge

This makes you sound kinda retarded, Mr. Leader. I mean, the HAARP facility is 100% real, and the geospatial correlation to the vague apparent source of the "emanation" (if it is one) is rather uncanny, don't you think?

The retarded-sounding part is where Hoagland's credibility somehow affects any of this. Sorry I mentioned him, in fact, though I think he's sincere. He can't really afford to pay a webmaster, despite millions of page views per month, so I don't think he's getting a paycheck from anybody.

Do you think he's more of the Paul Bennewitz type, what with his NASA and CIA outsiders-inside confidential sources? That would explain the apparent sincerity and passionate sense of urgency, but not the cottage industry of conspiratology book, conference and DVD sales. Although if I could figure out an angle for making a living off of knowing all the shit I know, I'd be on the book-signing-DVD-screening-Holiday-Inn-lecture-circuit too, right there beside him.

Not because I'm "trying different '"reality tunnels"'" (middle finger to RA Wilson, the thinking middle-brow's thinker (can you believe I actually read those books?)).

Man, what crawled up your root chakra and died? I'd be interested to heer the jeers you have for RAW. Come on, right here in pan's Norway spiral thread.

HAARP-derivative ionospheric (t)heater

Now that's fucking brilliant.

Oh, no. You guys are so smart! You've lost me now! Is there a way to explain this in "For Dummies" terminology so I can follow?

Sure, that thing seems more like a light show than a rocket spinning out of control until it runs out of fuel, despite fascinating animations to the contrary. It's too perfect-looking to be something so chaotic, and besides it seems to be more like a projection from some kind of big projector on the other side of that mountain range, like from the antenna station just on the other side which, like several sites around the western world, is designed to heat the upper atmosphere with radio waves for both scientific and doomsday-device research. I just presented compelling evidence that the heater antennas were, in fact, running at the time the spiral lights appeared, though for way longer than it appeared.

Huh. I wonder if Norwegian scientists maybe shot down the Russian ICBM with their big antenners, and Russia has just been too chickenshit to own up to it fully?

(reaching for can right now, yes, for real)

You are crazed. Think I'll go up the street and get a can for old times' sake...wtf.

FFS you guys. Nitrous is one of the few consciousness-altering substances that actually kills brain cells by depriving them of oxygen which you don't get enough of anyway. Seriously, you should breathe deeper more. Sometimes even without the good herb. Sometimes.

[barracuda]

That's pretty interesting, psynaps. However, Hoagland is kind of a dork. A massive hell mean weapon seems like nothing but a devoted follower prick up their ars.

What the hell does that have to do with anything? He pointed out one good thing. Stop trying to throw yo baaaad jackets (Digit!) on people and let the individual messages they have stand on their own. In this case, mofo pointed out a real intrestin coincidance that certainly stands on its own.

Hey, I don't know, man, maybe you shouldn'ta oughta made Hoagland the first bookend link in your post then.

(No need to get all pissy just 'cause I pointed out the fact that Hoagland is a dork. That needn't reflect on the crux of your post, anyway.)

So, okay, yeah, there's HAARP stuff nearby, and it was on and heatin' that shit up. Got it.

My understanding of torsion physics is that it is simply a fancy means of referring to "twisting" effects and is essentially pure
pseudoscientific mumbo-jumbo.

You probably haven't given the research of Kozyrev or, by extension, Wilcock, a thorough and fair shake. He has several entire book-length books written which are all free reads on his site. I've read one and it was damn interesting. Lots of cross-confirmation throughout.

You can't explain what Hoagland is talking about (torsion interferometry weapon, signatures of hyperdimensionality, etc.), so you point me to more voluminous psuedo archeo-scientific matrix-weaving, involving Atlantis, unified energies and the source of all consciousness. Thanks, but no thanks. It must be nice if you have the amount of free time required to read and assimilate this kind of "research" into something approaching coherence, but I don't. At the moment, my reading-to-do list is several dozen books long - mostly picture books, but some pop-ups, too. You'll have to help me out with a brief synopsis relating how this information succinctly pertains to the OP. If you can't, then just say so.

Blah.

[Penguin]

The things they blame you for...
Ill admit, I was up north at the time, but sadly, still over 500 km too far south. Lapland is a large place and sparsely populated. Also, I was asleep at the time

bph, feel free to post the rest of the PMs here if you wish - I didnt yet go through this whole thread so I dont know if all of it had been mentioned or not.

No images from Finland afaik, if it was a missile it might have passed over the very northernmost parts of Finland though. Tromsö region of Norway is pretty far up n relation to Finland.

Gotta run, catch you later.


(from Abovetopsecret via a finnish forum, dunno bout it)
In that image it seems the sun is shining from very low over the horizon (as it barely even rises at all that far north, this time of the year) - so sunlight passing thru the atmosphere can also play a part in the light phenomenon.

[Penguin]

FFS you guys. Nitrous is one of the few consciousness-altering substances that actually kills brain cells by depriving them of oxygen which you don't get enough of anyway. Seriously, you should breathe deeper more. Sometimes even without the good herb. Sometimes.

That is why you mix the nitrous with 21% oxygen, of course...

That wont help with the B12 depletion and neural damage, anyways.

[brainpanhandler]

Huh. I wonder if Norwegian scientists maybe shot down the Russian ICBM with their big antenners, and Russia has just been too chickenshit to own up to it fully?

Apparently not if it was one of these Bulava rockets.

The Bulava design is based on the Topol M, but is both lighter and more sophisticated. The two missiles are expected to have comparable ranges, and similar CEP and warhead configurations.

The Russian military developed Bulava to possess advanced defense capabilities making it resistant to missile-defense systems. Among its claimed abilities are evasive maneuvering, mid-course countermeasures and decoys and a warhead fully shielded against both physical and Electromagnetic pulse damage. The Bulava is designed to be capable of surviving a nuclear blast at a minimum distance of 500 meters.[3] Prime minister Vladimir Putin has claimed that Bulava could penetrate any potential anti-missile defence system.

The Bulava is planned to carry up to 6 MIRV warheads with a yield of 150 kT each. A full-capacity payload requires the forfeiture of all final stage countermeasures and of some shielding.

Then again the wikipedia article goes on to document how there is a better than 50/50 chance a bulava will fail all on it's own.

Is it really possible one of these things could survive a nuclear blast at 500 meters?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bulava

[brainpanhandler]

this is starting to seem more and more like viral marketing what with the consistent filming angles, etc.

Don't you mean spiral marketing? rimshot.

[brainpanhandler]

I agree one of the photos looks 'shopped (I think we all know which one), but that is pure unsubstantiated speculation.

I don't think anybody has actually said that yet, although I initially questioned whether that image was real or not.

Here's the homepage of the copyright holder Rex Features:

http://www.rexfeatures.com/

They've got a photospread of the nobel peace prize concert, hosted by Will Smith, prominently displayed on their homepage.


Does anybody know what the facility is in the foreground?

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[Maddy]

Oh, no. You guys are so smart! You've lost me now! Is there a way to explain this in "For Dummies" terminology so I can follow?

Sure, that thing seems more like a light show than a rocket spinning out of control until it runs out of fuel, despite fascinating animations to the contrary. It's too perfect-looking to be something so chaotic, and besides it seems to be more like a projection from some kind of big projector on the other side of that mountain range, like from the antenna station just on the other side which, like several sites around the western world, is designed to heat the upper atmosphere with radio waves for both scientific and doomsday-device research. I just presented compelling evidence that the heater antennas were, in fact, running at the time the spiral lights appeared, though for way longer than it appeared.

Thank you, psynapz. When people start talking physics (while fascinating), unfortunately my comprehension of it is low, and thus my ability to understand what's being said goes flying out the window. (Really, I have other redeeming qualities! But comprehension of science, math and physics isn't one of them.)