"Stargate Conspiracy" and Al Gore

[Wombaticus Rex]

I found a new edition (!!!!) copy of "The Stargate Conspiracy" at Barnes and Fucking Noble this past weekend and I've been devouring it every chance I get...great damn book. The edition I've got, sadly + hilariously, makes the book out to be exactly the kind of ET-Egypt New Age trash it investigates and exposes which must been disconcerting for Picknett/Prince. I'm just glad I have a copy finally.

But I wanted to ask about something specific: the occult roots of Al Gore. Has anyone dug into this? Are there "classic" essays/posts I should already be up on?

In the book, they've repeatedly mentioned Gore, mostly through the connection of Sen. Claiborne Pell, but they've yet to really flesh out how he's connected to the whole Theosophy/Ennead complex.

I will also say I'm quite startled to see Graham Hancock painted in such a negative light. I enjoyed his books quite a bit in high school...but it's important to humanize heroes, so one more bites the dust. C'est la vie and shit. Obviously, this book is highly recommended for anyone here who hasn't read it yet. Pretty essential RI turf is covered throughout.

[elfismiles]

New edition eh? I wonder if this marks the FIRST edition published in America? Good book. Introduced me to the idea of Synarchy.

Not sure about the Al Gore backgrounder but I think they eventually include tidbits about him throughout the book.

Stargate Conspiracy -- anyone read it?
http://www.rigorousintuition.ca/board/v ... php?t=5490

“Changing Images of Man” - Stanford Research Institute document from the 70s
http://www.brainsturbator.com/forums/viewthread/18/#382

Nazis from Outer Space: Part 4 (someone's archive of DE's article)
http://exopolitics.org.uk/index.php?Ite ... &task=view

[nathan28]

I found a new edition (!!!!) copy of "The Stargate Conspiracy" at Barnes and Fucking Noble this past weekend and I've been devouring it every chance I get...great damn book. The edition I've got, sadly + hilariously, makes the book out to be exactly the kind of ET-Egypt New Age trash it investigates and exposes which must been disconcerting for Picknett/Prince. I'm just glad I have a copy finally.

But I wanted to ask about something specific: the occult roots of Al Gore. Has anyone dug into this? Are there "classic" essays/posts I should already be up on?

In the book, they've repeatedly mentioned Gore, mostly through the connection of Sen. Claiborne Pell, but they've yet to really flesh out how he's connected to the whole Theosophy/Ennead complex.

I will also say I'm quite startled to see Graham Hancock painted in such a negative light. I enjoyed his books quite a bit in high school...but it's important to humanize heroes, so one more bites the dust. C'est la vie and shit. Obviously, this book is highly recommended for anyone here who hasn't read it yet. Pretty essential RI turf is covered throughout.

X10

I don't think you could repeat that enough for how important their research is relative to the racist and overtly fascist ideological shenanigans that masquerade behind New Age blather in the popular press and especially on the internet. Just remember, the it's Great White Brotherhood from Atlantis like Vanilla Ice as in white like Robert Van Winkle.

[yathrib]

I read it back in 2003. So far as I know, it's been available all this time... I usually see one or two copies in Borders, etc. whenever I go. Like many Picknett and Prince productions, it spits so much almost random high weirdness in one's general direction that it's hard to retain if one doesn't follow it up w/ more extensive research. I think they pretty conclusively debunked the Rennes Le Chateau "mystery" in another, more recent book, and I followed it at the time, but I would be at a loss to explain or summarize it several years later.

I'm not sure what their own agenda might be. They wrote a book (The Templar Legacy?) that seemed at the time to be a naked attempt to capitalize on the already popular (1997 or so) speculations on CHrist, Mary Magdalene, etc.

[geogeo]

One of my favorite books. They all but predict a 9-11 event, and I believe I posted on that several years ago as well. They just thought it would be at the millennium, instead of the occult millennium of 9-11.

[Wombaticus Rex]

Indeed, geogeo, that IS a startling passage. I will type that shit out forthwith:

"Skillfully puppetmastering the complex process of drawing all these threads together are, in many cases, the intelligence agencies, whose interests and involvements in the development of belief systems is now firmly established. Time and time again the anti-Muslim strand of this conspiracy becomes blindingly obvious, but why would the likes of the CIA be actively encouraging it? The whole tenor of this plot is one of preparation, of sowing the seeds of a certain mindset in as many people as possible in advance of some global event.

The possibility must seriously be considered that the conspirators are preparing the ground for some kind of major occurence, a revelatory event that will suddenly, dramatically and radically change the world forever. What form this might take is uncertain -- a carefully stage-managed "return of the Gods" to Giza before a mass audience, perhaps -- but what is certain is that these people have the resources and technology to present such an event."

--page 329-330, The Stargate Conspiracy Berkeley (TPB edition was published in September 2001.)

[geogeo]

Recall that 9-11 is the new years day of the world's oldest calendar, based directly on the ancient egyptian belief in the new year marked by the rising of the dog start Sirius at the same time as the sun. Note that P&P show how Sirius became equated with Set--and how they mention that Set has not yet showed his face!

And don't get me started on synarchy and the number 11...

[Avalon]

What are you seeing in the way of new material? Did they finally add the index that had been present in European copies but not in American?

[Wombaticus Rex]

What are you seeing in the way of new material? Did they finally add the index that had been present in European copies but not in American?

To clarify, I was just being ignorant. I was unaware the book had been in paperback since 2001, based on bad info from a bookstore clerk who made it sound like the most bad-ass rare used book since Paul Laffoley did a 5-edition, gold-leaf printed autobiography explaining how his family fabricted the UFO hoax using Freemason power networks and psychic transmission satellites he designed as a child.

(Which never happened, or rather, he's never written the confession, I'm just conveying that I mentally expected to pay $50-100 for this book and seeing it at Barnes and Noble was a jolt of CD.)

Geogeo, I'd really like to get you started on Synarchy and the number 11. Or at least name a few data points for me to get moving.

[nathan28]

Indeed, geogeo, that IS a startling passage. I will type that shit out forthwith:

"Skillfully puppetmastering the complex process of drawing all these threads together are, in many cases, the intelligence agencies, whose interests and involvements in the development of belief systems is now firmly established. Time and time again the anti-Muslim strand of this conspiracy becomes blindingly obvious, but why would the likes of the CIA be actively encouraging it? The whole tenor of this plot is one of preparation, of sowing the seeds of a certain mindset in as many people as possible in advance of some global event.

The possibility must seriously be considered that the conspirators are preparing the ground for some kind of major occurence, a revelatory event that will suddenly, dramatically and radically change the world forever. What form this might take is uncertain -- a carefully stage-managed "return of the Gods" to Giza before a mass audience, perhaps -- but what is certain is that these people have the resources and technology to present such an event."

--page 329-330, The Stargate Conspiracy Berkeley (TPB edition was published in September 2001.)

That was exactly what I thought when I read that passage. My intuition was like, "OMG it can't be is that the Finders van pulling up in front of my house?" I actually went to the publ'n data to check the date on my edition. I still can't get myself to acknowledge the plausibility of the scenario--come on, can you really imagine glorified cops (CIA employees) able to pull this crap off? (Then again, I don't know any CIA agents, so how do I know they're cops? Maybe they're a lot more functional in their sociopathy, they certainly have high-level torturers, but then again, so did Daley's Chicago Police dep't)



I saw those Skull & Bones party pictures, it's kinda sad how a bunch of rich brats on a private island are swilling shitty beer ("Why do Americans chill their beer?" "To tell it apart from rat piss") to post pictures of the non-event on un-protected MySpace sites. Fucking hell. "How many people have engaged in innocent group sex only to find themselves eating dinner at a Chinese restaurant?" Like how is it even possible? Are they really trying to tell me that Coptic Christian apostates have been engineering belief systems to prepare for a run-of-the-mill act of mega-terrorism when I see The Future Leaders of the Free World acting like a bunch of high school kids? Are they trying to say someone could actually pull something like that off, without getting someone to post it to their Facebook status? "Just got back from closed-door meeting. We are so totally going to string out the Osama capture story for all of 2010-2012."

At least, those are the rational objections I raise. I don't really want to try and decode the symbolism behind the 9/11 crap, because the thing about symbols is they're ambivalent, on purpose. And I'm not going to touch the astrotheology crap.

But then I wonder--WTF was going on in elite circles in the US from 1940-1980? For real. Because something smells rotten. Somebody was fucking with someone or something. It's like Changing Images of Man. You read it and you're like, "do they really, really believe this?" At the same time, the tone in that book (changing images, not stargate conspiracy) isn't that different from some of the "business-faith" dialogues I've read, that have these pretensions to, well, I don't even know. It's like there's this elite mystery cult, this weird faith in "business", that's not elite or a mystery, but part it seems like it's part of some grander narrative about something totally unconnected, which is true on one level but might be true on some other more frightening levels as well, but that can't be, can it?

[Wombaticus Rex]

Exceptional conspiracies are run by exceptional people. Compare those "kidz" on FB to the live of the Dulles brothers, for instance, and you'll agree that CIA personnel are emphatically not cops. Every CIA employee I've known is really the last motherfucker I would have ever expected. And that's the only common thread between them.

[cptmarginal]

This book looks extremely interesting, I'm going to have to check it out.

Maybe parts of it will help unravel some of my confusion about the whole Melchizedek cult issue. I was thinking of posting about this in Wombaticus' earlier thread about hip-hop and conspiracy theory, but it's such a strange and complicated issue that I don't really know what to say.

It seems like every time the word "Melchizedek" shows up, the only seemingly meaningful information you are getting is from a cult. And, of course, I don't see anyone at all commenting on the situation from afar, just a huge proliferation of suspicious Melchizedek cults.

Just look at Messengers of Deception and the ties to Heaven's Gate, or at "Malachi" York for examples of strangeness. I don't know if York was set up or not but I do find it odd, considering the extraordinary charges and the context, that they are not more well-known. The "most child molestation charges in history" was how I heard it described at the time, and this against the leader of a cult which courts hip-hop stars and black celebrities with a pseudo-Masonic lodge and pop-Egyptian and Islamic UFO mythology:



Isn't the inner circle of the Mormon cult called the order of Melchizedek? I notice that a lot of cults also relate this figure to Biblical apocalypse concepts. There's so many weird aspects to the whole thing, I don't know where to begin. The Urantia book talks about it a lot too.

[cptmarginal]

I thought that I should add this:

Dwight York came from a 1970s New York black Muslim neighborhood, where he ran a self-policed Muslim area (thanks to a staged police shootout debacle) and was a FBI counterterrorism target. Later, his cult apparently had sources within the government and police of Georgia. (I got this information from the book "Ungodly" by Bill Osinski)

[nathan28]

IIRC there is zero in this book on Melchizedek shenanigans. Even Vallee only mentions it in passing.

Off the top of my head if I saw that there was an US Nation of Islam-based order that appeared to have parapolitical connections, I'd look to H.L. Hunt, far right racist who underwrote the John Birch Society and sent $$$ to Elijah Muhammed.

[Wombaticus Rex]

IIRC there is zero in this book on Melchizedek shenanigans. Even Vallee only mentions it in passing.

^^what he said. I'm glad you brought it up, though, because as it turns out after a couple days digging, there's really not much to connect Al Gore to occult High Strangeness, and frankly not a hell of a lot to tie him into parapolitical, normal, bloody hands weirdness. Aside from the obvious fact of "participation in the executive branch of the United States Government," which is genocide-level bloody hands by definition, any given 4 year slice of recent history.

I've seen long, dubious lists of "Confirmed" 33 degree Masons, and Al Gore is on there with hundreds of other prominent names and exactly zero citations. (Then again, since it's confirmed, what more do I want to know, right?) That's about it.

I've also seen passing mention in several UFOlogy history articles, repeating a simple anaecdote that UFOs were of interest to Al Gore and Bill Clinton. Gore's relationship to Claiborne Pell would seem to be the bridge everyone is building their case on. And it's certainly a decent link...I suppose all this just shows up how much of a private life our public figures can still have these days.

I should mention, too, in relation to the dwindling standards of Secret Societies these days, that an acquaintance showed me the website for his Lodge recently, including the "member login" section. They'd build a Lodge-only social network behind a simple password wall, probably with Ning by the looks of it, where they were discussing really boring and mundane shit (of course). Oh, and lots of sports. Fantasy football in the name of de Molay.

I asked him if the older guys used it, and he said "Of course not" -- which got me thinking about how places like Skull and Bones probably stopped being the hot spot before most of us even realized it was there. Masonry has always been a huge franchise for networking local power, but it's always yahoos in the lower ranks. They didn't have fantasy football in 1888, and that's the only reason it doesn't show up in Lodge records.

I say again: Exceptional conspiracies are the work of exceptional people. Secrecy and compartmentalization are headaches and logistical nightmares for most of us reading this -- for a certain few it's muscle memory.

Some people are also much better at basketball than you are.