Crowdsourcing Vs ARG?

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Postby Wombaticus Rex » Thu Dec 24, 2009 2:33 pm

lightningBugout wrote:...it seems very important that everybody on this board have a solid working understanding of what the F an ARG looks like when it starts to contaminate RI.


Amen, although I'd also add that RI is uniquely suited to rip one out into the open faster than most other forums could. Too many of us have too much experience on both sides of that game...it's always something new but it's never all that different, you know?

lightningBugout wrote:BTW does it not seem likely to assume that most ARGers use proxy servers by default, making the IP-identification pretty anemic?


Absolutely. The real traces would be semantic: keywords, SIPs, usernames, and timecodes for postings across multiple forums are all more fruitful/reliable avenues of search.
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Postby Project Willow » Thu Dec 24, 2009 4:10 pm

But I remain highly disturbed by what I saw happen when "Tina" attacked Willow on that other thread. That looked very specifically targeted and showed serious, serious malintent. As a result, it seems very important that everybody on this board have a solid working understanding of what the F an ARG looks like when it starts to contaminate RI.



Well, I poked "Tina" plenty enough and I expected a barrage of insults in return, it would be silly not to.

I'm way more worried about the creepy email I got this summer. At least I know where that came from and could get a restraining order if need be.
Eerily similar tactics between the two though. Now that I think about it, the arc of activity matches as well. I wonder if there's a connection?
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Postby sunny » Thu Dec 24, 2009 4:37 pm

lightningBugout wrote:But I remain highly disturbed by what I saw happen when "Tina" attacked Willow
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For example, looking through that blog, I noticed that the "game" seems to have begun during the exact same week of October that a bunch of new members registered here. And that at least one of the cryptic passages on that blog (a statistically unlikely-to-be-random one) includes two words in the username of a poster who registered during that week.

?


My real name is on "Tina's" blog. I'm not sure why Eve keeps bringing me into this game- during that time I was never much more than a member of the peanut gallery who showed some concern for DE's well-being.
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Postby lightningBugout » Thu Dec 24, 2009 5:32 pm

That sucks Sunny. Sorry to hear it. I doubt you are the only one.

It almost strikes me that the relationship between the intelligence communities and the ARG communities might be a contemporary version of the historical one between the former and cults in the 1970s. Meaning that sometimes and in some places, ARGers have access to some powerful resources. If I read Willow correctly, she was suggesting this possibility.

What I remain a bit confused about is where the tech muscle comes from. I will reveal my own biases and presumptions here but I don't tend to think of the typical hacker as having the interpersonal or emotional sophistication to effectively manipulate people here or elsewhere in the way some ARGers clearly do.

Maybe I am out of touch and it is just much easier these days to hack and track and alla that and the technical spookery sophistication of ARGers is simply accessible to anyone with a basic internet mastery now.
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Postby Trifecta » Mon Dec 28, 2009 11:45 am

Trifecta wrote:Ok, this is a serious enquiry for a number of reasons.

Jack, thanks for posting information I linked to in an earlier thread, but, hey no reason some of the backstory can not also reside here.

Twitter is a tool for engagement and the closer they get to real people the better in my opinion, same with other forms of engagement.

As, we seem to have a number of ARG players/contributors here and many of us confused and bemused about what the game actually is, lets see if we can harness the collective wisdom of the RI crowd.

So, lets take a real world situation beyond the TD/JB mindfuck.

How would a case like Madeleine McCann benefit from either Crowd Sourcing or an ARG, using the power of hundreds and possibly thousands?

Assuming information from official sources, media and the interwebs was collected and disseminated via either of these mediums?



So, how would a real world situation like a treble murder and all it's associated tentacles spread out in either a CS or ARG?

Which of these tools are best for propaganda and which for the discovery of truths?
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Postby nathan28 » Mon Dec 28, 2009 3:11 pm

sunny wrote:
lightningBugout wrote:But I remain highly disturbed by what I saw happen when "Tina" attacked Willow
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For example, looking through that blog, I noticed that the "game" seems to have begun during the exact same week of October that a bunch of new members registered here. And that at least one of the cryptic passages on that blog (a statistically unlikely-to-be-random one) includes two words in the username of a poster who registered during that week.

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My real name is on "Tina's" blog. I'm not sure why Eve keeps bringing me into this game- during that time I was never much more than a member of the peanut gallery who showed some concern for DE's well-being.


As an off-hand observation, either DE or one of the Eve clones tried to bring me into the activity of one of the ARGs going on, by simply suggesting that I (first) someone one of them talked to on the phone, or later, that I was Debbie Nathan. It really bothered me at first and I felt compelled to "participate"--then I stopped. That's a dynamic--the "tag you're it" approach to getting new stooges or "players"--to be aware of.
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Re: Crowdsourcing Vs ARG?

Postby elfismiles » Tue Apr 13, 2010 11:13 am

Perhaps we need a Crowdsourcing thread separate from the dreaded ARG association...

Found this via this Drudge headline:

"Dems want video game to erase $12 trillion debt?... "


Nation's soaring deficit calls for painful choices
By Richard Wolf, USA TODAY


WASHINGTON — Erskine Bowles realized how tough his task will be leading President Obama's war on the federal budget deficit when he told his 90-year-old mother of his appointment.
She was proud of him. Then she said, "Don't mess with my Medicare."

It won't be the last threat Bowles gets this year as he directs an 18-member, bipartisan commission through an ocean of red ink that has never been deeper or more foreboding.

Under Obama's budget plan, the USA's debt in 2020 would be nearly the size of the entire economy then. Interest costs would be $900 billion, five times today's level.

The White House, Congress, budget experts and typical Americans are growing anxious about the nation's mounting debt, which is helping to fuel the rise of the anti-tax, anti-big government Tea Party movement.

Yet the only solutions capable of raising enough money are politically dangerous for the president and Congress: tax increases and major reductions in Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security.

Neither Democrats nor Republicans want to take the first step.

The debt hasn't stopped conservatives from saying tax increases should be off the table when the panel debates how to close Washington's budget gap — an estimated $1.5 trillion this year alone, equal to the entire federal budget in 1995. Nor has it stopped liberals from saying Medicare, Social Security and other entitlements must be protected.

Bowles, outgoing president of the University of North Carolina and a White House chief of staff under Bill Clinton, says neither taxes nor benefits can be off-limits.

"We can't do this without a lot of pain," he says.

His partner leading the panel, former senator Alan Simpson, a Wyoming Republican, eagerly awaits the howls of protest from both sides.

"I'll be called the Republican toady," says the 6-foot-6, salty-tongued Simpson. "I don't give a crap."

Although a solution to the nation's $12.8 trillion debt remains elusive, most of the nation's power brokers agree on the problem: America owes too much money.

By 2020, the taxes it is projected to collect barely would cover the benefits it has promised and the interest it must pay. Without changes, almost nothing will be left for defense, education, veterans or anything else.

"To avoid large and unsustainable budget deficits, the nation will ultimately have to choose among higher taxes, modifications to entitlement programs such as Social Security and Medicare, less spending on everything else from education to defense, or some combination of the above," Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke said last week.

Experts say the government could be forced to address the budget gap if lenders such as China become more worried about the size of the U.S. debt and demand higher interest rates on Treasury bonds. China reduced its U.S. debt portfolio in three consecutive months through January, the most recent statistics show.

"This is the most predictable financial crisis in the history of our country," says Rep. Paul Ryan, a Wisconsin Republican.

He has proposed reducing future Medicare and Social Security benefits for people younger than 55 to prevent the programs from sucking up an ever larger share of federal taxes as Baby Boomers retire.

"It's immoral to ignore it," Ryan says of the U.S. debt.

Most Americans don't want to ignore it.

A USA TODAY/Gallup Poll in late March found that nearly two-thirds disapproved of Obama's handling of the deficit.

Nearly 80% said it would be very important in their votes for Congress this fall — more than terrorism or the war in Afghanistan.

The public awareness is best exemplified by the Tea Party movement, which has used the rise in government spending and debt to motivate thousands of people across the country.

On Thursday, Tea Party activists will gather at the Washington Monument to rally against big government and the record deficit.

Young people are particularly vulnerable to the soaring debt.

"Things are being done to you, not for you," warned David Walker, the former U.S. comptroller general, at a "Fiscal Solutions" forum at the University of Maryland this month.

"Your future is being mortgaged at record rates."

"Very depressing," groused Rennie Silva, a 26-year-old graduate student in public policy, after the presentation.

"We need to throw out the scoundrels who are making some of these irresponsible decisions."

Others have it worse — for now

For now, the deficit is manageable, and necessary to help prod the economy back to health, say economists such as White House budget director Peter Orszag.

So far this fiscal year, the debt held by the public — not including money the government owes itself — is 58% of the U.S. economy.

It's roughly half Italy's 113% debt as a share of the economy's annual output. Japan's is 105%; Britain, France and Germany are between 62% and 70%.

Interest on the debt can still be paid without major tax increases; creditors and credit agencies aren't panicking — yet.

Because of that, some liberals say deficit reduction should not be the government's Holy Grail, particularly when unemployment still hovers near 10%.

Spending that benefits future generations should not be sacrificed, they say. It can boost economic growth, which would makes the debt a lesser percentage of the economy.

"This idea that we're on a precipice and about to fall off a cliff — we're nowhere close to that," says Dean Baker, co-director of the liberal Center for Economic and Policy Research.

He notes that in Britain, the debt reached more than 200% of the economy after World War II.

Conservatives who have been content with smaller deficits and want to cut rather than raise taxes are less sanguine now that Obama's budget forecasts an annual deficit still hovering above 5% of the economy in 2020.

"If there was a time for good deficits, that time is long gone," says Andrew Roth, a vice president at the conservative Club for Growth.

"Deficits are never OK; they're tolerable. And they're not tolerable now."

Moody's Investors Service issued a warning in March that the nation's triple-A credit rating would come under pressure unless economic growth exceeded projections and tougher actions were taken to tackle the deficit.

A reduced credit rating would cause creditors to demand higher interest rates, raising the cost of borrowing money. But under Obama's tax and spending proposals, annual deficits would push the public debt to 90% of the economy by 2020, a level unseen since the years after World War II. Then, it declined steadily for a quarter-century until bottoming out at 24% in 1974. Now, the retirement of the Baby Boom generation and rising health care costs project nothing but steady increases.

Congressional Budget Office director Douglas Elmendorf calls the 90% projection "very worrisome." Eventually, the global economy would be unable to absorb so much U.S. debt, forcing the government to borrow more from domestic sources of savings.

That would cause interest rates to rise and investment spending to fall leading to "an excruciating set of trade-offs nobody would want to live through," Orszag says.

"There aren't any easy answers, like cutting waste, fraud and abuse, or growing our way out of it," says Robert Bixby, executive director of the Concord Coalition, a fiscal watchdog group.

"The problem is much bigger than that."

'Sacrifices and hard choices'

When the Bowles-Simpson commission sits down to business April 27, the choices it will face are grim, according to the Congressional Budget Office:

•Health care costs are soaring. Medicare and Medicaid will cost more than $800 billion this year, the CBO says. By 2020, they'll cost $1.5 trillion.

Raising Medicare's eligibility age from 65 to 67 would save $86 billion over 10 years. Raising the premium for doctors' bills from 25% to 35% would save $217 billion.

That's peanuts compared to what the Treasury Department projects Medicare will owe over the next 75 years: $38 trillion.

•Solutions are more readily available for Social Security, which costs $715 billion this year, rising to $1.2 trillion in 2020.

William Novelli, a former CEO of AARP, says possibilities include raising taxes or scaling back benefits for high earners, and increasing the early and regular retirement ages, now 62 and 67.

Linking the annual increase of initial benefits for each new group of retirees to the rise in prices rather than faster-growing wages would save $195 billion over 10 years, the budget office says.

Raising the retirement age faster, so that it reaches 67 in 2020 rather than 2027, would save $92 billion.

•More savings are available. Canceling the F-35 jet fighter would save $42 billion over 10 years. Reversing the Army's projected troop increase would save $92 billion.

Slashing highway funding to shore up the Highway Trust Fund, which helps pay for repairs, would save $107 billion.

•Then there are taxes. The biggest revenue boost would come from eliminating the Bush tax cuts passed by Congress in 2001 and 2003. If all of them were wiped out, the government would collect about $2.8 trillion more in taxes over the next decade, according to CBO.

Ending the deduction for state and local taxes would raise $862 billion over 10 years.

Limiting the deduction for charitable giving to amounts greater than 2% of adjusted gross income would raise $221 billion.

A 50-cent gas tax increase would raise $605 billion.

None of those changes would be popular in Congress, which will get the commission's recommendations in December only if 14 of 18 commission members can agree on anything.

Democratic leaders have pledged votes on any recommendations, but Congress doesn't have to act.

'Benefits are popular'

Previous fiscal commissions produced reports that are gathering dust on government shelves.

There were panels on entitlements in 1994, Medicare in 1999, Social Security in 2001, taxes in 2005.

Their recommendations ranged from rational to radical; none was implemented.

The 1994 panel led by Democratic Sen. Bob Kerrey of Nebraska and Republican Sen. John Danforth of Missouri laid out the problems facing Medicare, Social Security and other benefit programs, replete with glossy charts.

But in the end, no more than six of the 32 members agreed on any one solution.

"Benefits are popular. Paying for benefits is extremely unpopular," says Danforth, who left the Senate in 1995.

For deficit reduction to succeed, he says, "the public has to get in front of the politicians."

Kerrey, a 1992 presidential candidate and now president of The New School in New York City, says panels such as the Bowles-Simpson commission can help to create that scenario.

"What you could get is support among the populace for the exceptionally unpopular things you need to do to solve this problem," he says.

Bowles has been in touch with Microsoft's Steve Ballmer about creating a deficit-reduction video game that would enable anyone with a computer to take a stab at balancing the budget, much like the 1994 commission did.

Updated for 2010, Kerrey says, such a game could "go viral."


Some analysts say that educating voters isn't enough.

At Third Way, a left-of-center think tank, President Jon Cowan draws on his experience from 1992, when he helped start a Generation X group called "Lead ... or Leave."

More than 100 congressional candidates, as well as presidential hopeful Ross Perot, signed on to the group's challenge to halve the federal deficit in four years or retire from Congress. The federal deficit was an issue in several campaigns that year.

The key now, Cowan says, is to tell lawmakers: "You are in political trouble if you do not deal with it."

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington ... icit_N.htm

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nytimes: Help Us Review the Sarah Palin E-Mail Records

Postby MinM » Thu Jun 09, 2011 4:48 pm

On Friday, the State of Alaska will release more than 24,000 of Sarah Palin’s e-mails covering much of her tenure as governor of Alaska. Times reporters will be in Juneau, the state capital, to begin the process of reviewing the e-mails, which we will be posting on nytimes.com starting on Friday afternoon E.D.T.

We’re asking readers to help us identify interesting and newsworthy e-mails, people and events that we may want to highlight. Interested users can fill out a simple form to describe the nature of the e-mail, and provide a name and e-mail address so we’ll know who should get the credit. Join us here on Friday afternoon and into the weekend to participate.

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Re: Crowdsourcing Vs ARG?

Postby Stephen Morgan » Fri Jun 10, 2011 10:58 am

Those who dream by night in the dusty recesses of their minds wake in the day to find that all was vanity; but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act their dream with open eyes, and make it possible. -- Lawrence of Arabia
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