Explosives on Detroit-Bound Airplane

[Pele'sDaughter]

My one Lebanese friend and his family didn't experience any discrimination. But he's also frequently mistaken for Hispanic.

[stefano]

I would really like it to hear people of Middle Eastern origin/ancestry to talk about how they have been treated since 9-11.

No personal stories to tell, but all my colleagues are Arabs and they absolutely hate flying to the States. They reckon they can count on being harassed more than usual, with the customs officers taunting them. Of course, if they react, customs waste another few hours of their time. And they're is businessmen in suits - I think Arabs wearing beards and robes are pretty much guaranteed to get taken into a little room. Funnily, perhaps, all of them love American society and say they're happy to tolerate a bit of shit at the airport, the trip makes up for that.

[LilyPatToo]

Re: white vans--it used to be I could tell the TV shows that were at least somewhat "in the know" about intelligence-related stuff by whether the spies used black or white vans. The black ones probably look much more sinister to the average person, but when I see a shiny new white van or SUV, my blood runs cold. I've been menaced by people in them too many times to be able to even look at one without feeling sick dread and wanting to curl up in a fetal position.

When I saw that one in Times Square on the news, it had exactly that effect upon me. Probably not intentional, but definitely unpleasant.

LilyPat

[KeenInsight]

I don't have cable TV anymore, just cable internet. I read about this little "terror" incident in the newspaper and it hit me right away as being very suspicious. Maybe its just my predisposed conspiratorial thought, which I really only share in this forum.

First they nab this guy after his father already warned about him to the CIA? And what, were they twiddling their thumbs the whole time or were they snickering to themselves afterwards, "man if he only knew his son is part of the operation."

And the press seemed to have caught on right away to this guys supposed "blog" detailing his depressing life and dreaming of "ISLAMIC STUFF". *Smacks forehead* What? How is this evidence in any shape or form? Anybody could have created the damn website. Maybe I don't know all the facts, because I haven't been keeping up on this at all.

To me it would seem easy for an agency to make up flimsy evidence based on a little fake internet blog about their own fall guy. Like oh whoops, we didn't know, but now we got him, you see guys Al Qaeda is still real, and our system works!

[whipstitch]

Man in Orange?

http://www.mlive.com/news/detroit/index ... _hask.html

Haskell and his wife, Lori, were aboard Flight 253 when Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab allegedly tried to destroy the plane. They say another man tried to help Abdulmutallab board the plane in Amsterdam.

"Today is the second worst day of my life after 12-25-09. Today is the day that I realized that my own country is lying to me and all of my fellow Americans. Let me explain.

Ever since I got off of Flight 253 I have been repeating what I saw in US Customs. Specifically, 1 hour after we left the plane, bomb sniffing dogs arrived. Up to this point, all of the passengers on Flight 253 stood in a small area in an evacuated luggage claim area of an airport terminal. During this time period, all of the passengers had their carry on bags with them. When the bomb sniffing dogs arrived, 1 dog found something in a carry on bag of a 30 ish Indian man.

This is not the so called "Sharp Dressed" man. I will refer to this man as "The man in orange". The man in orange, who stood some 20ft away from me the entire time until he was taken away, was immediately taken away to be searched and interrogated in a nearby room. At this time he was not handcuffed. When he emerged from the room, he was then handcuffed and taken away.

At this time an FBI agent came up to the rest of the passengers and said the following (approximate quote) "You all are being moved to another area because this area is not safe. I am sure many of you saw what just happened (Referring to the man in orange) and are smart enough to read between the lines and figure it out." We were then marched out of the baggage claim area and into a long hallway. This entire time period and until we left customs, no person that wasn't a law enforcement personnel or a passenger on our flight was allowed anywhere on our floor of the terminal (or possibly the entire terminal) The FBI was so concerned during this time, that we were not allowed to use the bathroom unless we went alone with an FBI agent, we were not allowed to eat or drink, or text or call anyone.

I have been repeating this same story over the last 5 days. The FBI has, since we landed, insisted that only one man was arrested for the airliner attack (contradicting my account). However, several of my fellow passengers have come over the past few days, backed up my claim, and put pressure on FBI/Customs to tell the truth.

Early today, I heard from two different reporters that a federal agency (FBI or Customs) was now admitting that another man has been held (and will be held indefinitely) since our flight landed for "immigration reasons." Notice that this man was "being held" and not "arrested", which was a cute semantic ploy by the FBI to stretch the truth and not lie.

[Sounder]

This from a fellow named Scott Creighton

http://willyloman.wordpress.com/2009/12 ... d-aint-it/

How did Abdulmutallab’s father become so wealthy in the first place? Umaru Mutallab was the Nigerian Minister of Economic Development in 1975. He then spent a decade as the Managing Director and CEO of United Bank for Africa. For the last ten years, Umaru has been the chairman of the First Bank of Nigeria.
So, Abdulmutallab’s father was instrumental through his government position in facilitating the World Bank and IMF’s entrance into the Nigerian economic system. He then goes on to head up several banks making himself filthy rich while the vast majority of Nigeria is impoverished to unprecedented degrees all the time and kept in check by ruthless police and military oppression.
That’s the “underwear bomber’s” “banker” father; a corrupt Nigerian banker with excessive connections to the IMF and the World Bank and who OWES everything he has to them. ……

Now, here is what we have learned;
• Yemen increased its national debt to the tune of 5 billion dollars from July to September of this year (they may have borrowed more since Sept). The IMF, World Bank, and Paris Club members are on the hook for that money if the revolution in Yemen is successful.
• A World Bank and IMF indebted super wealthy “free-market” reformer in Nigeria goes to the State Department and then to the CIA in Nigeria to talk about his son.
• That same son, for reasons unknown decides “out of the blue” to sit on a small amount of explosives in a plane in Detroit. The CIA somehow misses the warning signs.
• The FBI announces immediately that the son “confessed’ that it was all Yemen’s fault.
• After the attack, all the banking controlled congressmen and the Obama administration announce we will attack “the terrorists” in Yemen and thus help “stabilize” the current corrupt government of that nation.
Now, one more thing… this one is funny actually that no one else caught it.
Daddy Warbucks, Umaru Mutallab (remember, one of the wealthiest men in Africa, banker extraordinaire) played a major role in introducing Islamic banking into Nigeria. Islamic Banking is represented and organized globally by what is called the Islamic Development Bank which is deeply involved with Nigeria now (thanks in part to Umaru Mutallab) mainly through a bank called Jaiz Bank.

[DoYouEverWonder]

This from a fellow named Scott Creighton

http://willyloman.wordpress.com/2009/12 ... d-aint-it/

How did Abdulmutallab’s father become so wealthy in the first place? Umaru Mutallab was the Nigerian Minister of Economic Development in 1975. He then spent a decade as the Managing Director and CEO of United Bank for Africa. For the last ten years, Umaru has been the chairman of the First Bank of Nigeria.
So, Abdulmutallab’s father was instrumental through his government position in facilitating the World Bank and IMF’s entrance into the Nigerian economic system. He then goes on to head up several banks making himself filthy rich while the vast majority of Nigeria is impoverished to unprecedented degrees all the time and kept in check by ruthless police and military oppression.
That’s the “underwear bomber’s” “banker” father; a corrupt Nigerian banker with excessive connections to the IMF and the World Bank and who OWES everything he has to them. ……

Now, here is what we have learned;
• Yemen increased its national debt to the tune of 5 billion dollars from July to September of this year (they may have borrowed more since Sept). The IMF, World Bank, and Paris Club members are on the hook for that money if the revolution in Yemen is successful.
• A World Bank and IMF indebted super wealthy “free-market” reformer in Nigeria goes to the State Department and then to the CIA in Nigeria to talk about his son.
• That same son, for reasons unknown decides “out of the blue” to sit on a small amount of explosives in a plane in Detroit. The CIA somehow misses the warning signs.
• The FBI announces immediately that the son “confessed’ that it was all Yemen’s fault.
• After the attack, all the banking controlled congressmen and the Obama administration announce we will attack “the terrorists” in Yemen and thus help “stabilize” the current corrupt government of that nation.
Now, one more thing… this one is funny actually that no one else caught it.
Daddy Warbucks, Umaru Mutallab (remember, one of the wealthiest men in Africa, banker extraordinaire) played a major role in introducing Islamic banking into Nigeria. Islamic Banking is represented and organized globally by what is called the Islamic Development Bank which is deeply involved with Nigeria now (thanks in part to Umaru Mutallab) mainly through a bank called Jaiz Bank.

Sounds like Abdulmutallab is the African equivalent of John Hinckley, whose wealthy parents were directly connected to the Bush's and were frequent dinner companions.

[Nordic]

This seems almost incidental at this point, but now they're using this as an excuse to keep Gitmo open, and to NEVER release anyone from it.

I wonder what people would think if they found out that most of the people in Gitmo are completely innocent, just random folks turned in by corrupt bounty hunters?




Fuck, I give up trying to do hyperlinks at this site.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100101/ap_ ... JnaXRtb2Q-

The story comes complete with scary picture:





Can you say "Central Casting"?

[82_28]

This seems almost incidental at this point, but now they're using this as an excuse to keep Gitmo open, and to NEVER release anyone from it.

I wonder what people would think if they found out that most of the people in Gitmo are completely innocent, just random folks turned in by corrupt bounty hunters?




Fuck, I give up trying to do hyperlinks at this site.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100101/ap_ ... JnaXRtb2Q-

The story comes complete with scary picture:





Can you say "Central Casting"?

Tiny URL it, nordic!

But damn you right. It looks like something off of the early 80's
Buck Rogers show.

[82_28]

[82_28]

[8bitagent]

An Italian nuclear physicist was brutally murdered near the Hague (also in the Netherlands) within the same few days

Another significant factor is the report that the bomber was an engineering student at University College London. Dr Leivesley said that al-Qa'ida was recruiting people with engineering qualifications as well as highly placed scientists, particularly in the nuclear field.

FWIW

Also, remember a top CERN herdon collider physicist was arrested for being suspected of being an al Qaeda member. Its right out of Angels And Demons!

[thatsmystory]

The strange aspects are a recurring feature:

1) Why would we have another CIA failure to share information? If this was orchestrated to some degree then one would expect information to be shared this time but for said information to do no good due to a fake ID/fake passport. I still don't understand the 9/11 account in regard to the use of real names. It has never made sense. One would expect a sophisticated terrorist outfit to be competent at forging.

2) If it's true why on earth would someone videotape the incident? That invites suspicion. If Haskell's account is true then what explains the failure to get Abdulmutallab a fake passport? Are we to believe intel agencies aren't able to get fake passports? Is it more effective to pressure airline workers into stupid actions which may get them fired and lead to massive lawsuits?

3) With 9/11 there were all sorts of valid criticisms of FAA/airline security lapses. Yet like 9/11 we have the same calls for increased passenger screening but less emphasis on the failure of intel agencies to keep ID'ed threats off planes in the first place. It's not like everyone who boards a plane is a threat. Only certain people board intending to carry out a terrorist attack. The intel agencies are supposed to keep these people from boarding. It's straightforward but for some reason there appears to be a lot more focus on airline failures than intel agency failures.

[Nordic]

1) Why would we have another CIA failure to share information?

Because they're barely even trying any more to trick the American people. They don't need to. CNN goes into a 24/7 "terrorgasm", just pure propaganda, night and day, pounding it into people's heads that this was equivalent to "another 9/11" (wha ...?) And nobody is on TV to refute it, so what choice do people have?

I mean these things just get more and more transparent every time. They must think we're really stupid, right? And most people are. And even those that aren't are afraid to say anything for fear of being labelled "conspiracy theorists".

When a Psyops is completely transparent, is it even Psyops any more? Or is it just some kind of bullying, you know, just protection racket bullshit?

[thatsmystory]

When a Psyops is completely transparent, is it even Psyops any more? Or is it just some kind of bullying, you know, just protection racket bullshit?

That is why I don't get it. What is the point of such bizarre conduct? If the goal was to ramp up the fearmongering (i.e. to terrorize the public) then why not say that Abdulmutallab used a fake ID? That way all the focus is on the the airline security failure. Then the "terror experts" can tell us we need implanted ID's and everyone who boards a plane should be considered a terrorist until proven otherwise.

Some have suggested that the failure to conceal intel involvement (if that is the case here) is intended for different audiences. For example, for the political class it's an overt threat (i.e. "Expand the WoT into Yemen or we will have to provide another demonstration"). For the "conspiracy theorists" it's intended to demoralize. Everybody else quickly forgets about the odd details and hopes that Abdulmutallab is tortured so he reveals information about more plots.