Explosives on Detroit-Bound Airplane

[Nordic]

Some have suggested that the failure to conceal intel involvement (if that is the case here) is intended for different audiences. For example, for the political class it's an overt threat (i.e. "Expand the WoT into Yemen or we will have to provide another demonstration"). For the "conspiracy theorists" it's intended to demoralize. Everybody else quickly forgets about the odd details and hopes that Abdulmutallab is tortured so he reveals information about more plots.

Well isn't that just darkly comical. Yeah .... kind of makes sense, doesn't it ...?

[8bitagent]

The strange aspects are a recurring feature:

1) Why would we have another CIA failure to share information? If this was orchestrated to some degree then one would expect information to be shared this time but for said information to do no good due to a fake ID/fake passport. I still don't understand the 9/11 account in regard to the use of real names. It has never made sense. One would expect a sophisticated terrorist outfit to be competent at forging.

Depends who is doing the orchestration. Given my view that Awlaki and these other al Qaeda operatives are puppets of a transnational deep state rather than some neocon US based cabal....not everything is suppose to be neat or concise; but serve multi functions. Mumbai massacre served to isolate Pakistan and strengthen the US-Indian-Israeli nexus.

See in my view Islamic extremism worldwide is a proxy...and intel organizations from the CIA and MI6 to ISI and FSB are simply the possessed hosts if you will. They are there to keep doors open, look the other way, and feign incompetence. But in researching every major terror event in the last ten years, they all bear hallmarks of inside jobbery:)

To directly answer your question: The "miscommunication" is the old Reno wall CLintonian meme that 9/11 was wraped in, and it serves so that when the REAL massive event/s happens...they can say "dammit, we just cant stop it". See, the system DOES work when they want to stop these NWO events. Like the Millennium bomb plot. But ask John Oneil about being stopped from going after terrorists and...oh wait, no they killed him too.

And why the use of real names? Easy. So there's no confusion of the guiltyness of the patsy dupes.

2) If it's true why on earth would someone videotape the incident? That invites suspicion. If Haskell's account is true then what explains the failure to get Abdulmutallab a fake passport? Are we to believe intel agencies aren't able to get fake passports? Is it more effective to pressure airline workers into stupid actions which may get them fired and lead to massive lawsuits?

Because, like the shoebomber event, it was NOT meant to work. Now maybe Awlaki and Yemenese al Qaeda thought it'd work...but the real invisible power behind them KNEW it was NOT meant to work. And the poor kid, I bet he was mind controlled beyond belief.

This reminds me of 9/11, because the hijackers had secret handlers every freaking step of the way, INCLUDING the week of and morning of 9/11. They were at the airport, in their hotel room, secretly helping them. The FBI even detailed this in their FOIA released report! Secret handlers of the deep state whose job is to act as guides and hand holders. Mossad living next door to the hijackers is another anomaly.

3) With 9/11 there were all sorts of valid criticisms of FAA/airline security lapses. Yet like 9/11 we have the same calls for increased passenger screening but less emphasis on the failure of intel agencies to keep ID'ed threats off planes in the first place. It's not like everyone who boards a plane is a threat. Only certain people board intending to carry out a terrorist attack. The intel agencies are supposed to keep these people from boarding. It's straightforward but for some reason there appears to be a lot more focus on airline failures than intel agency failures.

Well originally, media was asking if 9/11 was an inside job....meaning the hijackers had lots of help from people working at the four airports. I believe thats precisely what happened. Preplanted weapons, people standing down security, etc.

Yeah its funny, this is all being meme'd as "well, the government has failed to heed the 2004 9/11 commission recommendations"(the 9/11 white wash was of course intended to be as a recommendation to safeguard against future terror they claim)
Yep, all incompetence!

But theres another game. Look how quick Fox and the media have been at saying the CIA had foreknowledge of the plot and this Mutallab. Theyre trying to sideline Obama.

Finally the government is not having a war on terrorists...this isnt what the security is really for. its a war on the American people.

[8bitagent]

Some have suggested that the failure to conceal intel involvement (if that is the case here) is intended for different audiences. For example, for the political class it's an overt threat (i.e. "Expand the WoT into Yemen or we will have to provide another demonstration"). For the "conspiracy theorists" it's intended to demoralize. Everybody else quickly forgets about the odd details and hopes that Abdulmutallab is tortured so he reveals information about more plots.

Well isn't that just darkly comical. Yeah .... kind of makes sense, doesn't it ...?

Well comedy is a part of the elite programming. Comedy played the most important part in the engineered 2008 election farce. Keep people laughing with a steam valve, and they will stay ignorant!

Shit, its all comedy...I mean shoebomber? the underwear bomber? al Qaeda's #3 chief is a Jewish kid from Orange county?

Life is a freaking Saturday Night Live skit, and I see no difference between Balloon Boy UFO or american politics at the moment.

[8bitagent]

Some have suggested that the failure to conceal intel involvement (if that is the case here) is intended for different audiences. For example, for the political class it's an overt threat (i.e. "Expand the WoT into Yemen or we will have to provide another demonstration"). For the "conspiracy theorists" it's intended to demoralize. Everybody else quickly forgets about the odd details and hopes that Abdulmutallab is tortured so he reveals information about more plots.

I think you just answered your own question:)

Its like, my view that the elite behind 9/11 intentionally spread anti Semitic conspiracy theories right away to discredit all questioning.

1) Why would we have another CIA failure to share information?

Because they're barely even trying any more to trick the American people. They don't need to. CNN goes into a 24/7 "terrorgasm", just pure propaganda, night and day, pounding it into people's heads that this was equivalent to "another 9/11" (wha ...?) And nobody is on TV to refute it, so what choice do people have?

I mean these things just get more and more transparent every time. They must think we're really stupid, right? And most people are. And even those that aren't are afraid to say anything for fear of being labelled "conspiracy theorists".

When a Psyops is completely transparent, is it even Psyops any more? Or is it just some kind of bullying, you know, just protection racket bullshit?

Well Nordic, the game is changed.

As I thought in 2007, what we would see and are now seeing is
life in new decade America...the "iGeneration". Free tv, newspapers,
and things we were used to are going bye bye...replaced by fake progressive memes, technology to make life more ADHC immediate,
and a general slumber.

Obama was brought in to quell the bitter taste of 8 years of Republithug
bulldogging...its very sophisticated and subtle, how all this has been crafted.

Im sure the elite are set to release both the "Islamic terrorists" and "Angry white supremist conspiracy theorist gun toting patriots"
in violent events(with, who knows...mexican drug armies, somali pirates?)
As long as people have their twitter, ipods, facebook, xbox and instant cellphone gadgets...hey who cares if events have lots of unanswered questions.

I fear the time is more ripe than under Bush for some crazy shit to go down.

[82_28]

Some have suggested that the failure to conceal intel involvement (if that is the case here) is intended for different audiences. For example, for the political class it's an overt threat (i.e. "Expand the WoT into Yemen or we will have to provide another demonstration"). For the "conspiracy theorists" it's intended to demoralize. Everybody else quickly forgets about the odd details and hopes that Abdulmutallab is tortured so he reveals information about more plots.

I think you just answered your own question:)

Its like, my view that the elite behind 9/11 intentionally spread anti Semitic conspiracy theories right away to discredit all questioning.

1) Why would we have another CIA failure to share information?

Because they're barely even trying any more to trick the American people. They don't need to. CNN goes into a 24/7 "terrorgasm", just pure propaganda, night and day, pounding it into people's heads that this was equivalent to "another 9/11" (wha ...?) And nobody is on TV to refute it, so what choice do people have?

I mean these things just get more and more transparent every time. They must think we're really stupid, right? And most people are. And even those that aren't are afraid to say anything for fear of being labelled "conspiracy theorists".

When a Psyops is completely transparent, is it even Psyops any more? Or is it just some kind of bullying, you know, just protection racket bullshit?

Well Nordic, the game is changed.

As I thought in 2007, what we would see and are now seeing is
life in new decade America...the "iGeneration". Free tv, newspapers,
and things we were used to are going bye bye...replaced by fake progressive memes, technology to make life more ADHC immediate,
and a general slumber.

Obama was brought in to quell the bitter taste of 8 years of Republithug
bulldogging...its very sophisticated and subtle, how all this has been crafted.

Im sure the elite are set to release both the "Islamic terrorists" and "Angry white supremist conspiracy theorist gun toting patriots"
in violent events(with, who knows...mexican drug armies, somali pirates?)
As long as people have their twitter, ipods, facebook, xbox and instant cellphone gadgets...hey who cares if events have lots of unanswered questions.

I fear the time is more ripe than under Bush for some crazy shit to go down.

Indeed. All one needed to know happened in about 2002-03 when millions of us marched across the world to prevent this "war", this production of utter bullshit. Now the motherfuckers in the media have seen the error in their ways and report EVERY "protest" there is. What we did, us antiwar idiots, way back in the day, was we did something spontaneous. We used our hearts, our minds, our own individual intelligence. And it was fucking ignored. It was a clear and bold showing of fascist force that none of that did any good -- and the "war" launched all in the name of democracy to boot.

But it didn't originate out of the managed media. Therein is our hint as to how this all goes down, day after day, month by month and on into this next exciting decade.

Central fucking casting.

[8bitagent]

Indeed. All one needed to know happened in about 2002-03 when millions of us marched across the world to prevent this "war", this production of utter bullshit. Now the motherfuckers in the media have seen the error in their ways and report EVERY "protest" there is. What we did, us antiwar idiots, way back in the day, was we did something spontaneous. We used our hearts, our minds, our own individual intelligence. And it was fucking ignored. It was a clear and bold showing of fascist force that none of that did any good -- and the "war" launched all in the name of democracy to boot.

But it didn't originate out of the managed media. Therein is our hint as to how this all goes down, day after day, month by month and on into this next exciting decade.

Central fucking casting.

Oh, I remember the freedom fries "support your country" bullshit that drowned out the anti war protests back then.

Now, the same f-tard right wingers spouting hate at anti war protestors are doing their own tea party protests. Now all the sudden Fox is anti government? Its a joke.

Sadly, the spirit of the late 60's and early 70's anti war movement was never fully captured...I mean, freaking most liberals seemed to support the Afghan war up until recently it seems. 60's hippies never would have put you down for questioning events like 9/11 or Israeli war crimes.

I think liberal college kids are way too complacent to even give a shit or do anything these days. I mean it'd have to take some pretty grave injustices to make anyone march these days...you know, now that Obama is in, no need to protest. all is good!

Plus, you package a war as "humanitarian", and well youll have the left championing it all the way. And ok, if there is a protest...it seems like it'll just be stage managed by twitter and co-option.

Speaking of 2001-2003, notice the meme of the shoebomber, dc sniper,
and anthrax all nicely dovetailed with 9/11 and fake WMD hype along with nightly "al qaeda could attack us any moment" propaganda?

[thatsmystory]

Depends who is doing the orchestration. Given my view that Awlaki and these other al Qaeda operatives are puppets of a transnational deep state rather than some neocon US based cabal....not everything is suppose to be neat or concise; but serve multi functions. Mumbai massacre served to isolate Pakistan and strengthen the US-Indian-Israeli nexus.

See in my view Islamic extremism worldwide is a proxy...and intel organizations from the CIA and MI6 to ISI and FSB are simply the possessed hosts if you will. They are there to keep doors open, look the other way, and feign incompetence. But in researching every major terror event in the last ten years, they all bear hallmarks of inside jobbery:)

To directly answer your question: The "miscommunication" is the old Reno wall CLintonian meme that 9/11 was wraped in, and it serves so that when the REAL massive event/s happens...they can say "dammit, we just cant stop it". See, the system DOES work when they want to stop these NWO events. Like the Millennium bomb plot. But ask John Oneil about being stopped from going after terrorists and...oh wait, no they killed him too.

And why the use of real names? Easy. So there's no confusion of the guiltyness of the patsy dupes.

It's quite a 1/2 to overlook. Pretend a journalist asked these questions:

1) Why does a sophisticated terrorist outfit use their real names? Wouldn't they be more clever than that these days? Wouldn't they have been more clever than that on 9/11?

2) Why would the CIA withhold information about al Qaeda? After all, the CIA set up Alec Station in '96 for the specific purpose of tracking Bin Laden/al Qaeda. Tenet declared war on al Qaeda in '98. The CTC was reorganized in '99 to better target al Qaeda. So is it not pretty damn strange for crucial information about al Qaeda to be withheld?

One answer is that the CIA doesn't care because no journalists with access will dare ask such questions and the public will soon go along with the program. Classification procedures and "ongoing investigation" will ensure that the public never gets the full story no matter what.

This may be the right answer but it isn't 100% convincing. There is a contradiction between seeking to convince the public of a dire threat and concurrently making the public skeptical that the threat is as stated.

Well originally, media was asking if 9/11 was an inside job....meaning the hijackers had lots of help from people working at the four airports. I believe thats precisely what happened. Preplanted weapons, people standing down security, etc.

Yeah its funny, this is all being meme'd as "well, the government has failed to heed the 2004 9/11 commission recommendations"(the 9/11 white wash was of course intended to be as a recommendation to safeguard against future terror they claim)
Yep, all incompetence!

But theres another game. Look how quick Fox and the media have been at saying the CIA had foreknowledge of the plot and this Mutallab. Theyre trying to sideline Obama.

Finally the government is not having a war on terrorists...this isnt what the security is really for. its a war on the American people.

For sure the security measures have ulterior purposes (i.e. profit and the implementation of a police state). There is no such thing as full proof security. If they install body scanners the next terrorist will implant a device in his stomach lining. Then there will be calls for scopes to check people's stomachs. There is always going to be some way of thwarting security.

OTOH the other component of these airplane attacks--the actual hijackers/bombers--is straightforward. Don't let them on the planes. The expectation isn't 100% prevention. The problem with 9/11 and this incident is that the simple act of picking up a phone evidently wasn't done. My point being that one would think this lapse would invite all sorts of skepticism and dare I say public outrage.

Again the correct answer could be that the CIA doesn't care.

[8bitagent]

1) Why does a sophisticated terrorist outfit use their real names? Wouldn't they be more clever than that these days? Wouldn't they have been more clever than that on 9/11?

2) Why would the CIA withhold information about al Qaeda? After all, the CIA set up Alec Station in '96 for the specific purpose of tracking Bin Laden/al Qaeda. Tenet declared war on al Qaeda in '98. The CTC was reorganized in '99 to better target al Qaeda. So is it not pretty damn strange for crucial information about al Qaeda to be withheld?

Ok, ya want the mainstream scholarly answer?

1) Hubris. Same reason al Qaeda allegedly puts up video wills of the hijackers or other attack operatives. Same reason the hijackers did relatively nothing to be under the radar once inside America all that time in 2000 and 2001. Hubris. And "taqfir" to explain the porno/drug/alcohol obsession.

2) Withhold information from the FBI or the public? Either way people will say it's a mix of good ol boy croneyism, and keeping things secret to not compromise methodology in fighting the bad guys. That entire Clintonian period of CIA vs al Qaeda is curious, as that and Bosnia/chechnya serve as the very literal backbone of 9/11.

One answer is that the CIA doesn't care because no journalists with access will dare ask such questions and the public will soon go along with the program. Classification procedures and "ongoing investigation" will ensure that the public never gets the full story no matter what.

Well the CIA sure is convinced, and wants to convince us they are the good guys. Leon Penetta was shedding tears for the 7 slain CIA operatives in Afghanistan, saying how they died trying to help people.
Ever read about Cofer Black? See the narrative is that "the CIA has to do a lot of nasty things in the name of getting al Qaeda". Its ok if the CIA bends the rules and works with blackwater, its to keep us safe and get the bad guys

Now thatsmystory, i need to ask: How do we reconcile the major difference between those who think the CIA is behind 9/11 or controls al Qaeda...and those that think the CIA, albeit at times uncouth, is obsessed with getting al Qaeda. Thats a huge rift. I myself do not believe the CIA "controls" al Qaeda but is legitimately working tooth and nail to fight them and get at them. How can I say this? Because this is the function they serve. Its like if I paid a school bully to steal kids lunch money, but I also paid another kid to try and stop him. See what I mean? Megatron and Optimus Prime are really enemies, but what if Unicron controls both secretly to pit against eachother? What if Cobra and GI Joe are controlled by the same agenda? Bullwinkle and Natasha? Brutus and Popeye?

Of course one peek at Historycommons, and youd *think* the CIA has a history of working secretly with al Qaeda members....

But why the secrecy? Because they can. And they know only the most diehard political junkies and left wing academics take notice. Remember this is the "new CIA". They dont do 60's style dirty tricks anymore!

This may be the right answer but it isn't 100% convincing. There is a contradiction between seeking to convince the public of a dire threat and concurrently making the public skeptical that the threat is as stated.

Don't you love it? Why does Fox say Obama's team should be fired and the CIA should be exposed for "letting the detroit bomber through"?
Yet the other faction says "hey, were working hard to stop al Qaeda...who is a legitimate scary threat!"
They got all sides covered to CONFUSE people.

For sure the security measures have ulterior purposes (i.e. profit and the implementation of a police state). There is no such thing as full proof security. If they install body scanners the next terrorist will implant a device in his stomach lining. Then there will be calls for scopes to check people's stomachs. There is always going to be some way of thwarting security.

OTOH the other component of these airplane attacks--the actual hijackers/bombers--is straightforward. Don't let them on the planes. The expectation isn't 100% prevention. The problem with 9/11 and this incident is that the simple act of picking up a phone evidently wasn't done. My point being that one would think this lapse would invite all sorts of skepticism and dare I say public outrage.

Again the correct answer could be that the CIA doesn't care.

I think theres another message:

the "terrorists" Are getting more bizarre and creative, and expect the unexpected!

[elfismiles]

Scott Horton interviews Kurt Haskell

Kurt Haskell, Detroit area attorney and passenger on the “Christmas bomber” flight 253, discusses the arrest of a second man that an FBI agent insinuated was carrying a bomb, the inconsistent statements from the FBI and US Customs – particularly from spokesman Ron Smith – and an account of the sharply dressed man of Indian appearance who helped suspected bomber Umar Farouk Abdul Mutallab board the plane in the Netherlands.

MP3 here. (26:38)
http://scotthorton.org/radio/09_12_31_haskell.mp3

Kurt Haskell is an attorney in the Detroit suburb of Taylor. He was a passenger on terrorist-attacked Northwest Airlines Flight 253 and has given numerous accounts of his experience to the media.

http://antiwar.com/radio/2009/12/31/kurt-haskell/

[Nordic]

Scott Horton interviews Kurt Haskell

Kurt Haskell, Detroit area attorney and passenger on the “Christmas bomber” flight 253, discusses the arrest of a second man that an FBI agent insinuated was carrying a bomb, the inconsistent statements from the FBI and US Customs – particularly from spokesman Ron Smith – and an account of the sharply dressed man of Indian appearance who helped suspected bomber Umar Farouk Abdul Mutallab board the plane in the Netherlands.

MP3 here. (26:38)
http://scotthorton.org/radio/09_12_31_haskell.mp3

Kurt Haskell is an attorney in the Detroit suburb of Taylor. He was a passenger on terrorist-attacked Northwest Airlines Flight 253 and has given numerous accounts of his experience to the media.

http://antiwar.com/radio/2009/12/31/kurt-haskell/

Interesting. Wonder how they'll shut him up.

Maybe he'll go "crazy".

[Nordic]

The problem with 9/11 and this incident is that the simple act of picking up a phone evidently wasn't done. My point being that one would think this lapse would invite all sorts of skepticism and dare I say public outrage.

Well, again, the media controls the reality.

If you were to ask people, just out and about, what they thought of this, I guarantee you, you'd see an awful lot of outrage, and people saying "why hasn't the media thought about ______".

But those people aren't on TV and most of them aren't even talking about this stuff on the internet like we are.

Most of them are just regular people who are confused about what is going on and why, but they have no idea what to do about it, and are even scared to talk to each other about it for fear of being thought of as "weird".

When I get out and talk to people I'm always amazed how many are far more in our corner than you would ever think.

[8bitagent]

Well, again, the media controls the reality.

Hence why it's strange that it's often overlooked stories and reports in the mainstream media we often use to shine a light on events like 9/11 and so forth. A lot of solid information came out in the msm wrt 9/11, like Saudi financing and many other things. However, one has to wonder how much validity is even in the alternative/hidden reporting. The ISI link seems like a football sometimes used by the hawks.

Fox News made their headline news the other day that "They Knew" or something, saying the CIA had advanced knowledge of the Detroit plot. And then they ran a poll asking if Penetta and Napoliano should be fired. Could you imagine had they done that right after 9/11?

If you were to ask people, just out and about, what they thought of this, I guarantee you, you'd see an awful lot of outrage, and people saying "why hasn't the media thought about ______".

But those people aren't on TV and most of them aren't even talking about this stuff on the internet like we are.

Well most the reports regarding worldwide child kidnapping/sex slavery involving the UN, Dyncorp, etc all comes from mainstream media sources. Same with a lot of the stuff regarding 9/11's hidden side and many other elite coverups. I have an article talking about the Bayer-AIDS scandal, and Pfizer killing Nigerian children. So a lot of stuff DOES get reported, like big Afghan drug kingpin=CIA payroll and Karzai brother. Its just people dont retain that info

Most of them are just regular people who are confused about what is going on and why, but they have no idea what to do about it, and are even scared to talk to each other about it for fear of being thought of as "weird".

Yep, being called a "conspiracy theorist" is up there with being called a pederast or unstable nut in this society

When I get out and talk to people I'm always amazed how many are far more in our corner than you would ever think.

Oh absolutely. Heck, even if they dont flat out agree a lot of people will say "well...I wouldnt put it past them" or "wouldnt surprise me, but I dont wanna talk about it".

[thatsmystory]

Scott Horton interviews Kurt Haskell

Kurt Haskell, Detroit area attorney and passenger on the “Christmas bomber” flight 253, discusses the arrest of a second man that an FBI agent insinuated was carrying a bomb, the inconsistent statements from the FBI and US Customs – particularly from spokesman Ron Smith – and an account of the sharply dressed man of Indian appearance who helped suspected bomber Umar Farouk Abdul Mutallab board the plane in the Netherlands.

MP3 here. (26:38)
http://scotthorton.org/radio/09_12_31_haskell.mp3

Kurt Haskell is an attorney in the Detroit suburb of Taylor. He was a passenger on terrorist-attacked Northwest Airlines Flight 253 and has given numerous accounts of his experience to the media.

http://antiwar.com/radio/2009/12/31/kurt-haskell/

That is a solid interview. Haskell makes it clear the two guys he described as Indian could have been from anywhere in Southeast Asia. Indian was just the adjective he chose. He also makes it clear the guy arrested at the airport after the plane landed was definitely on the plane.

Haskell is acting like one would expect someone to act in this situation. He could have been killed and yet the FBI are playing games and trying to cover things up. He should be pissed.

Is it remotely credible that the FBI failed to ID the guy who allegedly filmed the incident? No way. That is a detail that would have come out immediately in several of the passenger interviews. It is reminiscent of United 23. News accounts state that the suspicious passengers on that 9/11 flight were not apprehended. At least one article stated that the United 23 suspects left their luggage which contained al Qaeda materials. Somebody recently posted a thread of United 23 TV news coverage. Evidently one or more suspects from United 23 and some passengers from other canceled 9/11 flights came back to the airport on 9/13 and tried to board with their 9/11 tickets.

[thatsmystory]

Fox News made their headline news the other day that "They Knew" or something, saying the CIA had advanced knowledge of the Detroit plot. And then they ran a poll asking if Penetta and Napoliano should be fired. Could you imagine had they done that right after 9/11?

It's weird how the authoritarian propaganda works. Democrats in important national security positions are portrayed as frauds. Meaning the institutions would be fine if only they were led by the right people (i.e. overt GOP fascists). I would guess FOX will "discover" that the CIA lapse was due to some sort of political correctness. For example, the Clinton administration had the Gorelick memo and now the Obama administration will have the Panetta memo. The spin will likely track with Cheney's accusations. The CIA went back to pre-9/11 footing to comply with the weak on terror rhetoric of the Obama administration.

[82_28]

Fox News made their headline news the other day that "They Knew" or something, saying the CIA had advanced knowledge of the Detroit plot. And then they ran a poll asking if Penetta and Napoliano should be fired. Could you imagine had they done that right after 9/11?

Oh, it would have been TREASON! Yet this is all the same play, just played by different actors from time to time. It is an all out war on the American people's minds. Pure and simple. It is to utterly eviscerate the standing middle class of the USA. That is it. An intelligent and educated middle class at that. And that is why up from the sewers of Edward Bernays and the extant fascist tricks in the book so far, we have this character as a lone, just a guy, nice guy, Glenn Beck bubbling out of the stench. It is all ordained. Again, watch your "century of the self" one more time. This shit is not random.

Also, a little out there again, but Beck is a Mormon supposedly. Devout Mormons (never understood how there could be such a thing honestly), but devout Mormons wear holy underwear. Now we have this underwear bomb bullshit. Uh yeah. OK. But, what do these subconscious images, this initial part of the human computer process that this is portend? Again, I say everybody read Handmaid's Tale or read it again.

Attwood was writing of Mormons. I knew a lot of them growing up and while the dad's of Mormon friends of mine were cool on the surface, worldy. They had an agenda.

Again, WAAAAY out there. But what if Mormonism is to supplant Judaism, perhaps Catholicism in all of its spectacle? Greasing the skids, all the way is Scien-fucking-tology. Beck, Obama and the Underwear are the mustard seeds of something evil this way comes. Welcome to 2010! The year we make contact.

Polygamous marriage is basically essential to Mormon theology. Mormon Doctrine states that God was once a human man, and "He is now a glorified, resurrected Personage having a tangible body of flesh and bones" (250). As a matter of fact, "all gods first existed as spirits, came to an earth to receive bodies, and then, after having passed through a period of probation on the aforesaid earth, were advanced to the exalted position they now enjoy" (Hoekema 38). After death, a good Mormon man who has followed a few certain rules is catapulted to this same status and receives his own planet to populate and rule over (Fife 103). To receive this honor, a man must be "married for eternity" in the Mormon temple. This special marriage is binding after death as well as until it.

"Celestial" marriage, as this eternal marriage is often called, is essential for Mormon women. Without being celestially married to a holder of the priesthood, a woman cannot be "saved" (Green 154). Mary Ettie Smith, a Mormon woman who left the church and Utah in 1856, said that "women do not amount to much in themselves," and that women in those times were often celestially married to men they had no intention of ever living with, so that they could have a man who would be able to get them into heaven (Green 154).

http://www.exmormon.org/mormwomn.htm