Explosives on Detroit-Bound Airplane

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Postby seemslikeadream » Mon Jan 04, 2010 1:36 am

Mazars and Deutsche Bank could have ended this nightmare before it started.
They could still get him out of office.
But instead, they want mass death.
Don’t forget that.
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Postby Nordic » Mon Jan 04, 2010 5:14 am

Why don't people use Facebook to spread this kind of stuff around?

I'm on Facebook. My former employer made me get on there. Now I check it out every day or so, and it's mostly just the most asinine stuff.

Yet another potentially civilization-changing tool turns into just another type of idiot box.

I mean, by now, this kind of stuff should spread like wildfire.

But it doesn't.

Why?
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Postby Uncle $cam » Mon Jan 04, 2010 5:25 am

Obama aide defend trial for suspect in Christmas Day attempt to bomb plane

Source: Karen DeYoung, The Washington Post

President Obama's chief counterterrorism adviser on Sunday defended the administration's decision to try in federal court the man charged with attempting to bomb an airliner on Christmas Day and indicated that he would be offered a plea agreement to persuade him to reveal what he knows about al-Qaeda operations in Yemen.

Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab, the 23-year-old Nigerian charged with the failed attempt on the Amsterdam-to-Detroit flight, was initially "talking to people who detained him" but now has a public defender and "doesn't have to," John O. Brennan said on "Fox News Sunday."

"We have different ways of obtaining information from individuals" in the criminal-justice process, Brennan said on NBC's "Meet the Press." "A lot of people . . . understand what they're facing, and their lawyers recognize that there is advantage to talking to us in terms of plea agreements, we're going to pursue that." Brennan told CNN's "State of the Union" that other terrorism suspects have "given us very valuable information as they've gone through the plea-agreement process."

Brennan's tour of the talk shows -- he also appeared on ABC's "This Week" -- came as the administration tried to counter, and move out in front of, widespread criticism of intelligence systems that did not identify Abdulmutallab as an al-Qaeda operative or detect the explosive he was allegedly carrying before he boarded Northwest Airlines Flight 253.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 91_pf.html
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WAIT! THIS GUY HAS A very rich father, but gets a public defender?

and "he would be offered a plea agreement to persuade him to reveal what he knows about al-Qaeda operations in Yemen."...

excuse my utter lack of surprize...
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Postby 8bitagent » Mon Jan 04, 2010 7:31 am

Uncle $cam wrote:
Obama aide defend trial for suspect in Christmas Day attempt to bomb plane

Source: Karen DeYoung, The Washington Post

President Obama's chief counterterrorism adviser on Sunday defended the administration's decision to try in federal court the man charged with attempting to bomb an airliner on Christmas Day and indicated that he would be offered a plea agreement to persuade him to reveal what he knows about al-Qaeda operations in Yemen.

Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab, the 23-year-old Nigerian charged with the failed attempt on the Amsterdam-to-Detroit flight, was initially "talking to people who detained him" but now has a public defender and "doesn't have to," John O. Brennan said on "Fox News Sunday."

"We have different ways of obtaining information from individuals" in the criminal-justice process, Brennan said on NBC's "Meet the Press." "A lot of people . . . understand what they're facing, and their lawyers recognize that there is advantage to talking to us in terms of plea agreements, we're going to pursue that." Brennan told CNN's "State of the Union" that other terrorism suspects have "given us very valuable information as they've gone through the plea-agreement process."

Brennan's tour of the talk shows -- he also appeared on ABC's "This Week" -- came as the administration tried to counter, and move out in front of, widespread criticism of intelligence systems that did not identify Abdulmutallab as an al-Qaeda operative or detect the explosive he was allegedly carrying before he boarded Northwest Airlines Flight 253.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 91_pf.html
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WAIT! THIS GUY HAS A very rich father, but gets a public defender?

and "he would be offered a plea agreement to persuade him to reveal what he knows about al-Qaeda operations in Yemen."...

excuse my utter lack of surprize...


I think KSM should be given a plea deal, if he reveals whom he, bin Laden and "al Qaeda" really work for. Not that they'd even know.


TSA tries to assuage full-body scan concerns
As authorities work to close security gaps, they also face privacy questions

It has come to this.

Already shoeless, beltless and waterless, more beleaguered air passengers will be holding their legs apart, raising their arms and effectively baring it all as they pass through U.S. airport security checkpoints.

Add the "full-body scan" to the list of indignities that some travelers are confronting in the post-Sept. 11, 2001, era of vigilance.
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Federal authorities, working to close security gaps exposed by the thwarted Christmas Day terrorist attack on a Detroit-bound airliner, are multiplying the number of imaging machines at the nation's biggest airports. The devices scan passengers' bodies and produce X-ray-like images that can reveal objects concealed beneath clothes.

Forty units are in use at 19 airports, including Reagan National and Baltimore-Washington International Marshall airports. The Transportation Security Administration said it has ordered 150 more scanners to be installed early this year and has secured funding for an additional 300.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/34684245/ns ... gton_post/

Freaking lovely. Hell, ya can tell even MSNBC "gets" how utterly ridiculous this crap is getting.

I've said it before, I'll say it a thousand times: Islamic terrorism is nothing but a tool and proxy of the elite...Hell, these terror networks and jihadist dupes are the Christmas presents Santa delivers to good little governments who need the right excuse for war, defense increases, or Orwellian measures.

And that's what I don't get...these jihadists say they do what they do to "fight the Great Satan and the West"...they do nothing but SERVE the interests of this framework!
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Postby 8bitagent » Mon Jan 04, 2010 7:44 am

"Hundreds of Americans and European students studying radical jihad in Yemen"
http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id= ... photovideo

...or so says "intelligence experts". More fearmongering, or a little movie spoiler preview?
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Postby 82_28 » Mon Jan 04, 2010 7:57 am

But see, you couple that in with the new right wing talking points thing:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 01744.html

You get pure madness. Madness to come. Not temporally now. But very soon. Like beginning with a shimmering olive oil before preparing a dish of fresh stir fried vegetables.

We go into Yemen (Yes Men), prepare to see WWIII bandied about finally. Full spectrum dominance eh? The announcement of such will be the declaration of "full spectrum".

Not saying it will happen. But, then again, how could it not?
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Postby Sounder » Mon Jan 04, 2010 9:29 am

Nordic wrote..
I mean, by now, this kind of stuff should spread like wildfire.

But it doesn't.

Why?


Because the variations and variety of counter-narratives make people confused thereby leaving the dominant narrative as the fallback position for most people.

Our psyches are shaped, nay defined by the cult of the expert even when we protest.

When will we give up our pet projects in favor of creating a larger narrative that touches all the bases and can then legitimately take over the work that the current narrative performs?

But then again, who wants to really go through identity deconstruction?
All these things will continue as long as coercion remains a central element of our mentality.
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Postby MinM » Mon Jan 04, 2010 9:34 am

DoYouEverWonder wrote:
Sounder wrote:This from a fellow named Scott Creighton

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How did Abdulmutallab’s father become so wealthy in the first place? Umaru Mutallab was the Nigerian Minister of Economic Development in 1975. He then spent a decade as the Managing Director and CEO of United Bank for Africa. For the last ten years, Umaru has been the chairman of the First Bank of Nigeria.
So, Abdulmutallab’s father was instrumental through his government position in facilitating the World Bank and IMF’s entrance into the Nigerian economic system. He then goes on to head up several banks making himself filthy rich while the vast majority of Nigeria is impoverished to unprecedented degrees all the time and kept in check by ruthless police and military oppression.
That’s the “underwear bomber’s” “banker” father; a corrupt Nigerian banker with excessive connections to the IMF and the World Bank and who OWES everything he has to them. ……


Now, here is what we have learned;
• Yemen increased its national debt to the tune of 5 billion dollars from July to September of this year (they may have borrowed more since Sept). The IMF, World Bank, and Paris Club members are on the hook for that money if the revolution in Yemen is successful.
• A World Bank and IMF indebted super wealthy “free-market” reformer in Nigeria goes to the State Department and then to the CIA in Nigeria to talk about his son.
• That same son, for reasons unknown decides “out of the blue” to sit on a small amount of explosives in a plane in Detroit. The CIA somehow misses the warning signs.
• The FBI announces immediately that the son “confessed’ that it was all Yemen’s fault.
• After the attack, all the banking controlled congressmen and the Obama administration announce we will attack “the terrorists” in Yemen and thus help “stabilize” the current corrupt government of that nation.
Now, one more thing… this one is funny actually that no one else caught it.
Daddy Warbucks, Umaru Mutallab (remember, one of the wealthiest men in Africa, banker extraordinaire) played a major role in introducing Islamic banking into Nigeria. Islamic Banking is represented and organized globally by what is called the Islamic Development Bank which is deeply involved with Nigeria now (thanks in part to Umaru Mutallab) mainly through a bank called Jaiz Bank.
Sounds like Abdulmutallab is the African equivalent of John Hinckley, whose wealthy parents were directly connected to the Bush's and were frequent dinner companions.

John Hinckley is a very good analogy. Further examples of nudging Leaders or the unsuspecting Stepford Public into supporting certain policies...

U-2 Russian overflight ( Gary Powers )

The Bay of Pigs

and more recently.

USS Cole - 9/11 - Anthrax - Shoe Bomber ...

More WOO:

Danish cartoonist attack suspect 'targeted Hillary Clinton' - Telegraph
The Somali man charged with the attempted murder of a Danish cartoonist who depicted the Prophet Mohammed had previously has been arrested in Kenya over an alleged suicide terror plot targeting Hillary Clinton, it was reported on Sunday.
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Police caught a 27-year-old Somalian, who was armed with an axe, trying to break into the home of Kurt Westergaard at 10pm local time

Kenyan police are understood to have deported the man, who cannot be named for legal reasons, after he was linked to plans to blow up two hotels and a bus station in the capital, Nairobi, when the US Secretary of State visited last August.

The 28-year-old was later released for lack of evidence, the Danish daily newspaper Politiken said, citing unnamed intelligence sources.

Denmark’s PET intelligence agency earlier said that the man had been under observation for some time and was suspected of planning other terror attacks in Kenya.

“The person arrested. has close links with the Somali terrorist organisation al-Shabaab as well as with the heads of al-Qaeda in East Africa,” the agency said in a statement...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/denmark/Danish-cartoonist-attack-suspect-targeted-Hillary-Clinton

US lies about Flight 253 "crotch bomber" patsy: summary of the evidence; Yemen attack implication

OpEdNews - Article: The Underwear Bomber - Crushing Freedom With Phony Arab Terrorism

Why shouldn't we waterboard Abdulmutallab? The ticking time bomb scenario is here
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Bomb plot suspect described as 'gentleman' - Democratic Underground
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Postby 8bitagent » Mon Jan 04, 2010 6:34 pm

Because you knew it was coming...

General on Fox says massive terror attack coming to America within a 100 days, saying all Muslim males need to be strip searched before boarding:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rXfnjkxB ... r_embedded

Oh, and 9/11 commission head says the attack attempt was a big favor as now we can focus on Yemen:
http://rawstory.com/2009//01/911-commis ... did-favor/
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Postby Nordic » Mon Jan 04, 2010 7:18 pm

Sounder wrote:Nordic wrote..
I mean, by now, this kind of stuff should spread like wildfire.

But it doesn't.

Why?


Because the variations and variety of counter-narratives make people confused thereby leaving the dominant narrative as the fallback position for most people.


Oh, I thought it's because just the vast majority of people were superficial shallow assholes.




:twisted:


Actually I think it falls into the "scared" category. I remember several years ago when I started writing about things on blogs that ran against the post-911 zeitgeist, people would say to me "aren't you scared to write stuff like that in public?"

Americans. Would say that to me. Seriously.

For evil to triumph good men remain silent or whatever that saying it.

Nobody wants to speak up. It's like those stories about people getting raped and murdered, screaming bloody murder, and dozens of people hear the screams but nobody does anything. "I don't want to get involved".

People are fucked up. Or maybe I am. Why am I such an oddball? Maybe that's a better question.
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Postby Sounder » Mon Jan 04, 2010 8:59 pm

Nordic wrote..
I mean, by now, this kind of stuff should spread like wildfire.

But it doesn't.

Why?


sounder wrote...
Because the variations and variety of counter-narratives make people confused thereby leaving the dominant narrative as the fallback position for most people.


Nordic wrote...
Oh, I thought it's because just the vast majority of people were superficial shallow assholes.


Well sure, there is that too, but it’s good to resist blaming the victim.

My observation has always been that ‘aware’ people are at best marginally better at making decisions that lead to a better world. Aware folk also have the added danger of stuffing their awareness into narratives barely less corrupt than the dominant narrative.

People are fucked up. Or maybe I am. Why am I such an oddball? Maybe that's a better question.


You are not all that odd Nordic. People are fucked up and no doubt so are you, but there is wonder to existence and beauty all around, when we look for it.
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Re: Explosives on Detroit-Bound Airplane

Postby DoYouEverWonder » Thu Jan 07, 2010 8:42 am

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Just a coincidence, I'm sure. :roll:
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Postby 82_28 » Thu Jan 07, 2010 9:09 am

DoYouEverWonder wrote:Image

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Just a coincidence, I'm sure. :roll:


My hunch is they are trying to get you to APPEAR to be racist, thus they can take you down with the rest of 'em -- amd they're going to tie this all in to "health care" in some way. But here's the key. It is a META racism. You call a spade a spade, if you are like me, a non racist liberal city dweller. But it ALIENATES you from the narrative, the story of the future they are telling. And thus, it alienates you from people. THE PEOPLE MUST BE ONBOARD THIS NARRATIVE!

If I had my druthers about me, I would say BO was a plant in order to further splinter what was left of the "left" in this country.

That is why I believe the final act of the fascist takeover, is still yet to come, Obama's merely the grease. They need desperately to quell people with all manner of bullshit. They need things that don't exist to appear real. Alien shit, Bigfoot shit, UFO shit. Spirals in the Northern skies as Obama escalates some bullshit with the people I don't know in Yemen as he accepts a "peace" prize.

They are shuffling the shells. In fact, the "fascist takeover" probably happened centuries, if not over a thousand years ago. They are merely quelling their own disaster. Here is one dude that has called them out. His name is Morrissey.

IRISH BLOOD, ENGLISH HEART

Irish blood, English heart, this I'm made of
There is no-one on earth I'm afraid of
And no regime can buy or sell me

I've been dreaming of a time when
To be English is not to be baneful
To be standing by the flag not feeling
Shameful, racist or partial

Irish blood, English heart, this I'm made of
There is no-one on earth I'm afraid of
And I will die with both my hands untied

I've been dreaming of a time when
The English are sick to death of Labour
And Tories, and spit upon the name of Oliver Cromwell
And denounce this royal line that still salute him
And will salute him forever
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Re: Explosives on Detroit-Bound Airplane

Postby 8bitagent » Thu Jan 07, 2010 9:51 am

82_28 wrote:My hunch is they are trying to get you to APPEAR to be racist, thus they can take you down with the rest of 'em -- amd they're going to tie this all in to "health care" in some way. But here's the key. It is a META racism. You call a spade a spade, if you are like me, a non racist liberal city dweller. But it ALIENATES you from the narrative, the story of the future they are telling. And thus, it alienates you from people. THE PEOPLE MUST BE ONBOARD THIS NARRATIVE!


The manipulation has been really well layered, and oh so sly. That's a rather good word too, "meta racism". We're already living in a meta fiction reality. From Crowley-Gates(man, if that isnt the ultimate race baiting/occult sync) to all the "black men, ya just cant trust em!" stories in 2009...the memes were loud and clear. Again, one can only imagine the sick crap they have all set to go this year to change the game.

82_28 wrote:If I had my druthers about me, I would say BO was a plant in order to further splinter what was left of the "left" in this country.


Well, he already has all of the right hating him for "being too left" and half the left hating him for "being too right". But that's the gameplan...and I sadly fear Obama is not just being played, but possibly will be more than embarassed and marginalized.

People can laugh, but Ive no doubt that theres no coincidence with the Obama/Osama name.

Think about it...everyone knew him as "Usama bin Laden"(USAma? heh) Yet as soon as 9/11 hits, al-Qaida becomes al Qaeda and Usama becomes "Osama". Osama Osama Osama...he's the devil! Be afraid! Be angry! For YEARS they programmed this into the public, like a modern day Emmanuel Goldstein.
Then...all the sudden no more Osama...its now OBAMA. Obama Obama Obama. Obama is a lightworker! He'll save us! He's our savior. Now, its Obama cant be trusted. Obama is bad.

There's no coincidences with this. The meme-gineering is so in your face at this point

82_28 wrote:That is why I believe the final act of the fascist takeover, is still yet to come, Obama's merely the grease. They need desperately to quell people with all manner of bullshit.


After a year which brought us the "staged jetplane flyover in NYC", "balloon boy", "Michael Jackson the God", "Norway portal", etc...nothing surprises me anymore.

82_28 wrote:They need things that don't exist to appear real. Alien shit, Bigfoot shit, UFO shit. Spirals in the Northern skies as Obama escalates some bullshit with the people I don't know in Yemen as he accepts a "peace" prize.


Oh believe me, I have no doubt the programmers love to pump out endless xfiles junk to muddle the waters...but I cant help but feel deep down, that the powers that be may be afraid of the UFO and other phenomenon. I wish I could say the breadth of the UFO situation was all just government hoaxes...I really could. Life would make a lot more sense.


82_28 wrote:They are shuffling the shells. In fact, the "fascist takeover" probably happened centuries, if not over a thousand years ago. They are merely quelling their own disaster.


Scary thing is, "they" may not even really be ultimately in control. Again, Im not religious...but things just seem way too sneaky for any "they" as in rich old white dudes in a smokey lounge.
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Re: Explosives on Detroit-Bound Airplane

Postby seemslikeadream » Thu Jan 07, 2010 11:06 am

Obama security adviser says bomb report a shocker
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Thu Jan 7, 2010 8:58am EST


WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Americans will feel "a certain shock" from a White House report to be released on Thursday on security lapses in the attempted December 25 bombing of a Detroit-bound airliner, U.S. national security adviser James Jones said in a USA Today interview.

President Barack Obama "is legitimately and correctly alarmed that things that were available, bits of information that were available, patterns of behavior that were available, were not acted on," Jones said in the interview published on Thursday.

Jones, Obama's top aide on security and foreign policy issues, predicted that Americans will feel "a certain shock" when they learn of the account the White House is to release later in the day.

"That's two strikes," he said, referring to the failed airplane bombing and a November shooting rampage by U.S. Army psychiatrist Major Nidal Hasan at Fort Hood, Texas, in which officials also failed to act on warning signs.

But Jones also suggested the report would show that the Obama administration is now on top of events.

"We know what happened, we know what didn't happen, and we know how to fix it," he told the newspaper. "That should be an encouraging aspect. We don't have to reinvent anything to make sure it doesn't happen again."

The president is scheduled to make a public statement when the White House released the report. The review is expected to make recommendations on plugging holes in security, including changes in passenger screening and terrorism watch lists.

Obama has already acknowledged a security "screw up" that officials say allowed a Nigerian man to board a Detroit-bound airliner in Amsterdam on Christmas Day with explosives sewn into his underwear that later failed to ignite.

Suspect Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab was indicted by a federal grand jury on Wednesday for the attempted murder of 289 passengers and crew aboard the Northwest Airlines Flight 253 and for attempting to use a weapon of mass destruction.
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