RI "Bad" Guys: UR DOIN IT WRONG

[norton ash]

This could be the big policy discussion prior to the Great Purge, you know. We may be witnessing a reenactment of the Little Red Book revolution, scaled down to blog size.

Heehee, Frmsn9. I don't want to work on Chairman Jeff's collective farm, although really, a year in the fields might do us all some good.

[Free]

Project Willow wrote:
I've never met an ra/mc survivor online who was completely free, that is, who had successfully uncovered and reconditioned their alter system. So it should always be assumed that some part of a survivor is at least vulnerable to and likely is working for the other side. If you start out in that position it's much easier to erect effective boundaries,

Online is the key element here that I admittedly glossed over in my reading before.

I agree that it’s impossible to know enough about a survivor that you meet on the internet to know if they are being accessed or not.

Project Willow wrote:
I don't agree. As long as there are dissociated parts, those parts are potential sleepers and reporters or what have you. It may very well be less likely, as major alters are rescued and turned to serve their own bodies. However, when it comes to mind control, especially with the most recent generations, we're talking very sophisticated techniques, and a lot of interference throughout the therapeutic process. If you were working with private or amateur created cult members in your support group, that's one thing, but that's not all we're dealing with here.

I also didn't say completely successful de-conditioning was rare, only that it's rare you'll find such survivors speaking openly on the internet.

I wasn’t really referring to my support group, which dissolved several years ago. I just meant that I have several survivor friends in my real world life, that, because of their level of recovery, the safe people they live with and the fact that they have distanced themselves from family and other perps, and of course because I know them very well and for many years, that I am confident are not being accessed. And yes they were all highly structured MK type multiples.

There’s another problem, though, that I see with survivors and the internet. Especially those who are just beginning to realize what happened to them.

This is a very left-brained, mental environment. You can discuss and research till you’re blue in the face and it can help somewhat, but until you go inside and deal with your feelings, memories and inner life, you’re just treading water.

Anyway, I think it would be great to have an area on R.I. dedicated to discussing and reviewing healing modalities that have helped survivors.




edited for respect for another poster's privacy

[Uncle $cam]

There’s another problem, though, that I see with survivors and the internet. Especially those who are just beginning to realize what happened to them.

This is a very left-brained, mental environment. You can discuss and research till you’re blue in the face and it can help somewhat, but until you go inside and deal with your feelings, memories and inner life, you’re just treading water.

Bravo! Well said. Not to discourage anyone from seeking data and info, but knowledge and wisdom are two different things, wisdom comes from experience and (at least for myself) experience comes tactile human connections (support), fresh air, water and sunshine ie, getting outside.

[eyepen]

So in other words, you are admitting that you are a user posting under an alias. Fine. Who are you and how many aliases have you had here? Come fucking clean. Quit jerking my chain, and reveal why it is that we should know you. You've lied to Jeff already in this thread, as well as pointed readers to the very pages which sort of started this issue, TLS, so decloak and clarify, you mother.


barracuda there is a lot of imagination in that response and the rest of your post but none of it is reality. I asked about TLS after, after, I saw it posted in this thread. So by asking a simple question I am directing? I didn't introduce that into this thread.

Like wombaticusrex said, words on a screen, words on a screen, words on a screen.

[Uncle $cam]

Oh, and for whom ever feels the need to reply, what is with this "defusing bombs" talking point? Is this real life? Is this an episode of 24? Am I doing it wrong?

[American Dream]

eyepen wrote:

barracuda there is a lot of imagination in that response and the rest of your post but none of it is reality. I asked about TLS after, after, I saw it posted in this thread. So by asking a simple question I am directing? I didn't introduce that into this thread.

Like wombaticusrex said, words on a screen, words on a screen, words on a screen.

[barracuda]

barracuda there is a lot of imagination in that response and the rest of your post but none of it is reality. I asked about TLS after, after, I saw it posted in this thread. So by asking a simple question I am directing? I didn't introduce that into this thread.

Like wombaticusrex said, words on a screen, words on a screen, words on a screen.

Still scared to come clean, though, huh? Why not, my old, familiar acquaintance?

Everybody here knows me even if they don't realize it.

Come out, come out, wherever you are. Cut the shit. It's always nice to see folks that you know again. It's like a nice little reunion.

[Telexx]

I second that WTF:

I'm curious to know what the beef is with the Last Statue thing. I googled it and found it but its long. I'm curious to know how it fits in here but I don't know if i'm curious enough to read the whole thing.

My post count may be low but i'm not a newbie to these alley ways by a long shot. Everybody here knows me even if they don't realize it. I've been through these dusty hallways a long time and I am friends with a lot of people here.

The cognitive dissonance these two statements are causing me is significant, to say the least. WTF?

[barracuda]

Oh, and for whom ever feels the need to reply, what is with this "defusing bombs" talking point? Is this real life? Is this an episode of 24? Am I doing it wrong?

That was my "talking point", based upon compared2what?'s assertion that the purposeful timing of certain events here was building to a preconceived denoument, which she hoped to short-circuit with her OP. I found it an apt metaphor, but didn't expect it to be a dog-bone of contention.

[barracuda]

Barracuda is one sharp toothed fish, and sees through the murky water.

You should have heeded your own commentary there, friend.

Next time you come on the board through your proxy, don't kiss my ass first thing. It's a dead give-away.

[orz]

Didn't read a word of this thread.

[eyepen]

eye pen
I write
dusty hallways= conspiracy culture

Everybody doesn't know me. Not sure why I used that choice of words. I've seen things I have written discussed here as well as other forums. That is it. No mystery.

No I won't throw my birth name into the hat. That is why people use avatars and pen names yes?

I have been writing in the conspiracy culture on and off for years. I know some of the other people in the biz. Peers. I add no intrigue to this and do not imply that I do. Its just sad, mainly. I'm a fan of Jeffs work. Maybe he should take charge of guarding it instead of leaving that to the ultra paranoids on the board. Imagination can be a very harmful thing in excess.

The rest is wild imagination on your part that I only partially understand and is a symptom of the games being played around here I suppose. I could care less about this TLS business. I wish I had never bothered with this thread. Apparently it doesn't take much to become a target does it? I won't bother with it anymore. That is all I have to say. Really.

Good for you orz. I won't read any more of it.

[Jeff]

People of Earth this thread:

I don't know where to start, but I know when I should have, and that was long ago. My sincere apologies to all for that, most particularly to those who fought what should have been my battle and received only grievous wounds for it.

Some clarity about my words re DE.

I banned him several years ago for his persistent insinuations, both here and off-board, that I and others were engaged in hoaxing the deaths - or perhaps even the very lives - of Theresa Duncan and Jeremy Blake. He returned via sockpuppets, and cultivated several members who did the same with multiple accounts, fostering suspicion and confusion on the board. He nurtured sources and harassed members.

He claims to have had nothing to do with the creation of "The Last Statue," that he was led to it, and that he doesn't know the identity of the author despite remaining in frequent contact. I can concede all that, and even that he could be very probably merely wrong and not a Bad Guy. But he's been this thing's John the Evangelist. He's blogged it, created a wiki, fished for interest on the unfiction forum (under another username, while categorically denying that he was DE) and posted in tandem with the author on that and other boards, claiming that what he or she has to say is of "parapolitical interest." That the author means harm for this place and harbours malice for its members is not in doubt. DE needn't be a Bad Guy to be toxic to this place. Or, come to think of it - and I wish he would - for this place to be toxic to DE.

I would like to echo this:

I realize you qualified this statement with that "somewhat", however I wish you had further qualified it by saying "and it took another member CC, to finally get a some what straightforward account of what they believe is likely going on." because CC was very careful to offer disclaimers along the way, like, "Again, much of what I've written regarding this issue is speculation on my part, some with decent but circumstantial evidence to back it up, some not. It is this fact that causes me to request others to add or correct me if I've gone astray. The fact remains however, that there is bad, bad acting afoot here, and has been for awhile. That is not speculation." I think it would be a very good idea to keep that in mind at all times when reading through what CC has pointed at.

I have theories, too, but I believe theorizing is a part of the game which I don't want to play. I'd rather stick with the knowns and the verifiable, which is mundane, malicious mindfucking.

But - Jeff, the admin of this board did not formally apprise me that Et in Arcadia Ego was still an at large here. And I wish he had, as the lack of that information has left me feeling a bit adrift. It would not have changed my decision to take on the "responsibility" of moderation, but it would have changed the tenor of that decision.

I apologize for my sausage-fingered response to all of this and the needless opacity. I'm especially mortified at the cost to Et, who drew anonymous slander and hurt for simply helping me set up a new home for RI here. He didn't deserve that, nor the thankless sniping he received here from some in the midst of it all.

And let there be clarity about this: sunny and barracuda are the moderators and I am the admin. No one else here now holds moderator or admin privileges. If that changes, it will be announced.

[barracuda]

eyepen's account has been deactivated.

I'm never going to lose my virginity!

I seem to have just popped my own cherry, at least as a mod here.

[Col. Quisp]

i am gone. c2w gets to wave vague accusations at unnamed "trolls" ( still don't know who she's talking about), then LP2 gets tarred and feathered unjustly....I am just not cool enough to follow this shit or care about it. Have fun praising each other's intellects.