elfismiles wrote:C2W, why can't we at least start with ending the military occupations and bases around the world?
And regarding Ron Paul's investments... your helpful info-trawl has gotten me thinkin.
Now I wanna see Cynthia McKinney's, Mr. Kucinich's and Mike Gravel's money trails as they were the Dems I favored.
compared2what? wrote:23 wrote:What say you about our well-intentioned military meddling overseas?
By all means stop the US' meddling overseas. But focusing on Ron Paul won't do that.
Focusing on actually stopping the deployments will.
I must say finding out about Paul mining investments wasn't really a surprise, so I wasn't really disappointed. I don't trust Libertarianism, mainly cos of some discussions I had on this site. And Christian republican politicians from the US... well you know.
I'd probably be a little more surprised to find McKinney and Kucinich holding similarly unethical investments in mining companies. Tho ... its not as cut and dried as it appears. It doesn't mean Paul is evil, for example, but it does mean he is either careless of what his money does, or he doesn't care what his money does. They are nearly the same thing, but to me there's a slight difference, and to be honest I don't know anyone who has ever used money who has avoided that trap completely.
And I 'd be less surprised to find Kucinich and McKinney investing in non mining options that on examination had highly unethical aspects.
Its
almost impossible to avoid if you invest money.
I just noticed your post elfi, and Nordic. (I love that little warning it gives me that someone else has posted while I was typing...)
I agree Nordic. Thats the obvious solution. I don't know if Ron paul is the answer tho. Unions might be helpful tho. Unions often get more traction as economic conditions go to shit, among working people. While they are often irrelevent during the so called "good times" its times like now when they can become a useful political force in places like the US (imo, if its done right.)
So while I rant and rave about the troubles of the elites long-campaign towards global governance I accept that it can and will happen so we best make the best government, at all levels, that we can.
Which reminds me, anyone here ever read Danah Zohar's QUANTUM SOCIETY? It is the sequel to her QUANTUM PSYCHOLOGY.
No, but (if its relevent) I'm hoping to back to uni and try to get a degree again. (3rd time lucky?) This time I have the whole course mapped out, where I want it to take me and I haven't really done that seriously before. I'm doing an art degree, and one major is gonna be history and politics, which is kind of ironic from my pov.
Anyway i used to be an anarchist, but I'm thinking that at the moment we humans need a state, so how best to manage it.
I don't think consensus reality actually understands what the state is, but its an agregore.
So thats the best way to approach it. If we have to invoke evil demons (the state) to manage the world, then we should do it properly - the situation today is analogous to a 15 year old fucking about with dmt and serious rituals and losing the plot...
So metaphorically, but also in reality, the state is a powerful demon we cannot banish. So we (the people) must control it.
Obviously at uni I'm gonna have to treat it metaphorically, but anyway its a good metaphor.
Democratic processes are set up like magic rituals that are designed to control a powerful entity, and the only reason they don't work is that the people who are sposed to do the rituals (the entire population of the place governed by a state) don't give a fuck.
Its as good a model of the process as any.
Thats if the accept my application.