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[elfismiles]

Obama wants record $708 billion for wars next year
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[sunny]

Obama Administration To Propose Freezing Non-Military Discretionary Spending

President Obama will propose freezing non-security discretionary government spending for the next three years, a sweeping plan to attempt deficit reduction that will save taxpayers $250 billion over 10 years.

When the administration releases its budget next week, the discretionary spending for government agencies from Health and Human Services to the Department of Treasury will be frozen at its 2010 level in fiscal years 2011, 2012 and 2013.

A senior administration official detailed the move, speaking on a condition of anonymity because Obama will announce his decision during his State of the Union address Wednesday night.

The cuts would target "duplicative," "ineffective" and "inefficient" spending withing government, the official said on a conference call with reporters.

"This is not a blunt, across-the-board freeze," the official said, adding that some agencies will see spending increases while some will see spending cuts as the total remains constant.

Exempted from the freeze would be Pentagon funding, and the budgets for Veterans Affairs and Homeland Security.

"We do need to reflect the fact that we remain at war," the official said, noting the president was able to win several battles on cutting Pentagon spending.

The official declined to discuss specifics but said the new plan would save taxpayers $250 billion over 10 years.

If the changes are passed, the non-security discretionary spending will be at its lowest level in 50 years. It currently is $447 billion for fiscal year 2010, and the administration wants it kept at or below that level through 2013, the official said.

The official said the budget to be released Monday will reflect the proposal but still would invest in Obama's priorities.

The officials said the process is "healthy," and framed it as similar to how families make decisions about where they put their household dollars.

The official said the average proposed increase in administration budgets dating back to 1993 was 3 percent, and the average increase in budgets enacted was 5 percent. The official said to compare that with "effectively zero," which is what the Obama administration is proposing.

The decision was made in part after Obama called on his Cabinet members to find cuts in their agencies, and "lots of meetings and effort were required in order to achieve this proposal."

But nothing is for certain, as Congress must pass individual appropriations bills in addition to approving the budget blueprint.

The official said Obama is "hopeful" Congress would abide by the total and agree with the administration's spending priorities.

Late Update: Republican leadership staffers are emailing this story from The Hill suggesting the Obama pitch is "DOA." The piece quotes members of the budget committee dissing the plan when it was floated by the White House.

[Cosmic Cowbell]

Obama wants record $708 billion for wars next year
viewtopic.php?f=8&t=26652

The Pentagon projects that war funding would drop sharply in 2012, to $50 billion, and remain there through 2015. That is a calculation that the United States will save money from the withdrawal of forces in Iraq, as well as a prediction that the Afghanistan war will begin to wind down in the middle of 2011.

So if I had voted for McCain/Palin, would the article even remotely be discussing a sharp drop in War funding from 2012?

If I had voted for a third party candidate, thereby giving McCain/Palin a victory, would the article even remotely be discussing a sharp drop in war funding?

If I had not voted, thereby giving McCain/Palin a victory, would the article even remotely be discussing a sharp drop in war funding?

So rather than shame and guilt, I feel I took the only road available to me that might lead, eventually, to a sharp drop in war funding.

And the way I see it, a vote for "Fuck Obama" is a vote to increase war spending through 2015. Congratulations Bizarro Anti-War people...


I'm curious if in real life, if every time you don't get your way or get what you want, you stomp up and down and go "Fuck You"?

[elfismiles]

Obama wants record $708 billion for wars next year
viewtopic.php?f=8&t=26652

The Pentagon projects that war funding would drop sharply in 2012, to $50 billion, and remain there through 2015. That is a calculation that the United States will save money from the withdrawal of forces in Iraq, as well as a prediction that the Afghanistan war will begin to wind down in the middle of 2011.

So if I had voted for McCain/Palin, would the article even remotely be discussing a sharp drop in War funding from 2012?

If I had voted for a third party candidate, thereby giving McCain/Palin a victory, would the article even remotely be discussing a sharp drop in war funding?

If I had not voted, thereby giving McCain/Palin a victory, would the article even remotely be discussing a sharp drop in war funding?

So rather than shame and guilt, I feel I took the only road available to me that might lead, eventually, to a sharp drop in war funding.

And the way I see it, a vote for "Fuck Obama" is a vote to increase war spending through 2015. Congratulations Bizarro Anti-War people...


I'm curious if in real life, if every time you don't get your way or get what you want, you stomp up and down and go "Fuck You"?

NO, we're just equal opportunity FUCK YOUers when it comes to criticizing the Presidency - regardless of their political theatrics.

As for a military spending reduction post 2012 or whenever... get back to me on that in a few years and after a few more million brown people have been killed by Democratic enablers.

[sunny]

That is a calculation that the United States will save money from the withdrawal of forces in Iraq, as well as a prediction that the Afghanistan war will begin to wind down in the middle of 2011.

I'm not sure why anyone would believe these predictions will come to pass.

[Cosmic Cowbell]

NO, we're just equal opportunity FUCK YOUers when it comes to criticizing the Presidency - regardless of their political theatrics.

As for a military spending reduction post 2012 or whenever... get back to me on that in a few years and after a few more million brown people have been killed by Democratic enablers.

You missed the point...(surprise)

You'll be fucking Presidents for the rest of your life. At least Obama will give you a reach around....

I'm not sure why anyone would believe these predictions will come to pass.

I'm simply thankful the predictions exist.

[elfismiles]

NO, we're just equal opportunity FUCK YOUers when it comes to criticizing the Presidency - regardless of their political theatrics.

As for a military spending reduction post 2012 or whenever... get back to me on that in a few years and after a few more million brown people have been killed by Democratic enablers.

You missed the point...(surprise)

You'll be fucking Presidents for the rest of your life. At least Obama will give you a reach around....

I'm not sure why anyone would believe these predictions will come to pass.

I'm simply thankful the predictions exist.

So what IS your point?

Yeah, I fully expect to be doing that kind of regular fucking since everyone else continues to play the game of "Elect One of These Fuckers" / "Vote for the Evil of Two Lessers" bullshit - all the while thinking "this time it'll be different".

"Same shit different assholes".

To me it is no consolation to be thrown a bone by the Pentagon that we'll spend less on war in a few more years.

I'm not interested in a reach-around, because thankfully I've not had my hands blown-off in any of our wars and so am still perfectly capable of jacking myself off. Which is exactly what it feels like I'm doing everytime I try and talk to "AntiWar" Liberals.

[elfismiles]

For that other thread in that other universe where he won.

[Pele'sDaughter]

Cosmic, it's not about not getting one's way. It's about betrayal through broken campaign promises. I don't know why that doesn't warrant a "fuck you" in your book. Maybe it's you who doesn't get it.

[Cosmic Cowbell]

Cosmic, it's not about not getting one's way. It's about betrayal through broken campaign promises. I don't know why that doesn't warrant a "fuck you" in your book. Maybe it's you who doesn't get it.

You gotta be shittin me? A politician broke a campaign promise?

Would that be the one where he vowed to withdraw from Afghanistan?

Or the one where he vowed to continue escalating the occupation of Iraq?

[Belligerent Savant]

Cosmic, it's not about not getting one's way. It's about betrayal through broken campaign promises. I don't know why that doesn't warrant a "fuck you" in your book. Maybe it's you who doesn't get it.

You gotta be shittin me? A politician broke a campaign promise?

Would that be the one where he vowed to withdraw from Afghanistan?

Or the one where he vowed to continue escalating the occupation of Iraq?

It's one of the more mind-boggling aspects of this fascination with The 'Bama: the dismay/shock by some that he ultimately turned out to be just another politician... and you gotta give credit to The Handlers for that little marketing gem [Brand Obama], huh? Then again, the placement of this current cog-in-chief was greatly facilitated by the utter disaster that was his predecessor... but of course, that was all part of the plan, was it not? Alas, the masses seem to be easily taken by anything new and different... can't get much more new and different than a non-white in Office. Hook, line and sinker...

But here some of us are, crying foul.... I'm sure all of us wanted to really, really believe that it would somehow actually be different, this time... even if only in part.... Alas, 'tis not to be, for these vessels that are placed in high office are merely reflections of the populace, for if we all truly wanted CHANGE, truly wanted to EVOLVE and SHIFT from our current REALITY, We'd be able to do it quite easily.

If the vast majority all decided en masse that they shall choose to no longer participate in this farce, they need not do anything more than simply not vote, or refuse to pay taxes...

The Handlers would simply have no control of such a large-scale COLLECTIVE decision, reached in concert... they'd be rendered powerless.

That is what they FEAR MOST, and that is why they work feverishly to keep us at odds with each other, divided and diverted. And to this point, they have succeeded brilliantly... and will continue to do so.

Until we choose to no longer play along.

[Maddy]

Don't forget the fear factor:

Fear of jail.

Fear of losing what you have.

Fear of losing your job.

Fear of what would happen to your family.

Etc. Etc. Etc.

Combined with the simple "need to believe" (helped by the media!) that most people have, that keeps them going throughout the day and night, because if they didn't pretend that everything was okay, they'd fall into despair. Diversions, diversions, diversions (television, Oprah, movies, magazines, video games, etc. etc.) so you don't have to think about how shitty things really are and how fucked we really are.

Edit: ... with or without Obama.

[Sweejak]

http://www.jasonmecier.com/junk06/jobama.html

[Nordic]

Cosmic, it's not about not getting one's way. It's about betrayal through broken campaign promises. I don't know why that doesn't warrant a "fuck you" in your book. Maybe it's you who doesn't get it.

You gotta be shittin me? A politician broke a campaign promise?

Would that be the one where he vowed to withdraw from Afghanistan?

Or the one where he vowed to continue escalating the occupation of Iraq?

That's a bogus fucking strawman.

I'm really sick and tired of people trotting out that chestnut.

Cosmic, I don't understand why you're here. You'd probably be much more comfortable at one of the Obama-worshipping sites like Daily Kos, where they continue to bask in the rays of the DENIAL sun-god.

Obama was a Trojan Horse.

How you can somehow rationalize that and say "well it's okay because he's OUR Trojan Horse" is beyond me, because he's not YOUR Trojan Horse! You're one of the victims, yet you still think it's somehow okay?

Why, because he has a (D) after his name?

If Bush had a (D) after his name, would his actions have been okay with you? Because his actions are about 95% the SAME as Bush's.

I can't believe I'm having this conversation with anyone at RI. It's just kinda weird.

[Hugh Manatee Wins]

1) The USof Amnesia has had a MILITARY GOVERNMENT with a civilian facade since WWII.

2) The 'president' is nothing more than a mouthpiece and face for the junta since CIA took over the government right under Ike's nose and then blew open JFK's skull when he tried to take back control of policy.

3) The mil-intel perps such as CIA have the task of creating events which go *boom* so that the CIA-media can then spin them as pseudo-justifications for the bribery-and-coercion-controlled Congress.

4) That controlled Congress then promotes a false consensus for the mil-intel policies to be carried out by the masses and thereby wring out a steady stream of young-misdirected-and-conditioned cannon-fodder and worker drones for the Empire.

5) This is a system which is decades old now. Duh.