Obama continues Pres. assassinations of US citizens

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Obama continues Pres. assassinations of US citizens

Postby sunny » Wed Jan 27, 2010 11:53 am

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Presidential assassinations of U.S. citizens
By Glenn Greenwald

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A Yemeni anti-terrorist soldier.The Washington Post's Dana Priest today reports that "U.S. military teams and intelligence agencies are deeply involved in secret joint operations with Yemeni troops who in the past six weeks have killed scores of people." That's no surprise, of course, as Yemen is now another predominantly Muslim country (along with Somalia and Pakistan) in which our military is secretly involved to some unknown degree in combat operations without any declaration of war, without any public debate, and arguably (though not clearly) without any Congressional authorization. The exact role played by the U.S. in the late-December missile attacks in Yemen, which killed numerous civilians, is still unknown.

But buried in Priest's article is her revelation that American citizens are now being placed on a secret "hit list" of people whom the President has personally authorized to be killed:


    After the Sept. 11 attacks, Bush gave the CIA, and later the military, authority to kill U.S. citizens abroad if strong evidence existed that an American was involved in organizing or carrying out terrorist actions against the United States or U.S. interests, military and intelligence officials said. . . .

    The Obama administration has adopted the same stance. If a U.S. citizen joins al-Qaeda, "it doesn't really change anything from the standpoint of whether we can target them," a senior administration official said. "They are then part of the enemy."

Both the CIA and the JSOC maintain lists of individuals, called "High Value Targets" and "High Value Individuals," whom they seek to kill or capture. The JSOC list includes three Americans, including [New Mexico-born Islamic cleric Anwar] Aulaqi, whose name was added late last year. As of several months ago, the CIA list included three U.S. citizens, and an intelligence official said that Aulaqi's name has now been added.


Indeed, Aulaqi was clearly one of the prime targets of the late-December missile strikes in Yemen, as anonymous officials excitedly announced -- falsely, as it turns out -- that he was killed in one of those strikes.

Just think about this for a minute. Barack Obama, like George Bush before him, has claimed the authority to order American citizens murdered based solely on the unverified, uncharged, unchecked claim that they are associated with Terrorism and pose "a continuing and imminent threat to U.S. persons and interests." They're entitled to no charges, no trial, no ability to contest the accusations. Amazingly, the Bush administration's policy of merely imprisoning foreign nationals (along with a couple of American citizens) without charges -- based solely on the President's claim that they were Terrorists -- produced intense controversy for years. That, one will recall, was a grave assault on the Constitution. Shouldn't Obama's policy of ordering American citizens assassinated without any due process or checks of any kind -- not imprisoned, but killed -- produce at least as much controversy?

Obviously, if U.S. forces are fighting on an actual battlefield, then they (like everyone else) have the right to kill combatants actively fighting against them, including American citizens. That's just the essence of war. That's why it's permissible to kill a combatant engaged on a real battlefield in a war zone but not, say, torture them once they're captured and helplessly detained. But combat is not what we're talking about here. The people on this "hit list" are likely to be killed while at home, sleeping in their bed, driving in a car with friends or family, or engaged in a whole array of other activities. More critically still, the Obama administration -- like the Bush administration before it -- defines the "battlefield" as the entire world. So the President claims the power to order U.S. citizens killed anywhere in the world, while engaged even in the most benign activities carried out far away from any actual battlefield, based solely on his say-so and with no judicial oversight or other checks. That's quite a power for an American President to claim for himself.

As we well know from the last eight years, the authoritarians among us in both parties will, by definition, reflexively justify this conduct by insisting that the assassination targets are Terrorists and therefore deserve death. What they actually mean, however, is that the U.S. Government has accused them of being Terrorists, which (except in the mind of an authoritarian) is not the same thing as being a Terrorist. Numerous Guantanamo detainees accused by the U.S. Government of being Terrorists have turned out to be completely innocent, and the vast majority of federal judges who provided habeas review to detainees have found an almost complete lack of evidence to justify the accusations against them, and thus ordered them released. That includes scores of detainees held while the U.S. Government insisted that only the "Worst of the Worst" remained at the camp.

No evidence should be required for rational people to avoid assuming that Government accusations are inherently true, but for those do need it, there is a mountain of evidence proving that. And in this case, Anwar Aulaqi -- who, despite his name and religion, is every bit as much of an American citizen as Scott Brown and his daughters are -- has a family who vigorously denies that he is a Terrorist and is "pleading" with the U.S. Government not to murder their American son:


His anguish apparent, the father of Anwar al-Awlaki told CNN that his son is not a member of al Qaeda and is not hiding out with terrorists in southern Yemen.

    "I am now afraid of what they will do with my son, he's not Osama Bin Laden, they want to make something out of him that he's not," said Dr. Nasser al-Awlaki, the father of American-born Islamic cleric Anwar al-Awlaki. . . .

    "I will do my best to convince my son to do this (surrender), to come back but they are not giving me time, they want to kill my son. How can the American government kill one of their own citizens? This is a legal issue that needs to be answered," he said.

    "If they give me time I can have some contact with my son but the problem is they are not giving me time," he said.

Who knows what the truth is here? That's why we have what are called "trials" -- or at least some process -- before we assume that government accusations are true and then mete out punishment accordingly. As Marcy Wheeler notes, the U.S. Government has not only repeatedly made false accusations of Terrorism against foreign nationals in the past, but against U.S. citizens as well. She observes: "I guess the tenuousness of those ties don’t really matter, when the President can dial up the assassination of an American citizen."

A 1981 Executive Order signed by Ronald Reagan provides: "No person employed by or acting on behalf of the United States Government shall engage in, or conspire to engage in, assassination." Before the Geneva Conventions were first enacted, Abraham Lincoln -- in the middle of the Civil War -- directed Francis Lieber to articulate rules of conduct for war, and those were then incorporated into General Order 100, signed by Lincoln in April, 1863. Here is part of what it provided, in Section IX, entitled "Assassinations":


The law of war does not allow proclaiming either an individual belonging to the hostile army, or a citizen, or a subject of the hostile government, an outlaw, who may be slain without trial by any captor, any more than the modern law of peace allows such intentional outlawry; on the contrary, it abhors such outrage. The sternest retaliation should follow the murder committed in consequence of such proclamation, made by whatever authority. Civilized nations look with horror upon offers of rewards for the assassination of enemies as relapses into barbarism.


Can anyone remotely reconcile that righteous proclamation with what the Obama administration is doing? And more generally, what legal basis exists for the President to unilaterally compile hit lists of American citizens he wants to be killed?

What's most striking of all is that it was recently revealed that, in Afghanistan, the U.S. had compiled a "hit list" of Afghan citizens it suspects of being drug traffickers or somehow associated with the Taliban, in order to target them for assassination. When that hit list was revealed, Afghan officials "fiercely" objected on the ground that it violates due process and undermines the rule of law to murder people without trials:


    Gen. Mohammad Daud Daud, Afghanistan's deputy interior minister for counternarcotics efforts, praised U.S. and British special forces for their help recently in destroying drug labs and stashes of opium. But he said he worried that foreign troops would now act on their own to kill suspected drug lords, based on secret evidence, instead of handing them over for trial.

    "They should respect our law, our constitution and our legal codes," Daud said. "We have a commitment to arrest these people on our own" . . . .

    Ali Ahmad Jalali, a former Afghan interior minister, said that he had long urged the Pentagon and its NATO allies to crack down on drug smugglers and suppliers, and that he was glad that the military alliance had finally agreed to provide operational support for Afghan counternarcotics agents. But he said foreign troops needed to avoid the temptation to hunt down and kill traffickers on their own.



    "There is a constitutional problem here. A person is innocent unless proven guilty," he said. "If you go off to kill or capture them, how do you prove that they are really guilty in terms of legal process?" . . .

So we're in Afghanistan to teach them about democracy, the rule of law, and basic precepts of Western justice. Meanwhile, Afghan officials vehemently object to the lawless, due-process-free assassination "hit list" of their citizens based on the unchecked say-so of the U.S. Government, and have to lecture us on the rule of law and Constitutional constraints. By stark contrast, our own Government, our media and our citizenry appear to find nothing wrong whatsoever with lawless assassinations aimed at our own citizens. And the most glaring question for those who critized Bush/Cheney detention policies but want to defend this: how could anyone possibly object to imprisoning foreign nationals without charges or due process at Guantanamo while approving of the assassination of U.S. citizens without any charges or due process?

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Re: Obama continues Pres. assassinations of US citizens

Postby josey wales » Wed Jan 27, 2010 12:29 pm

...meet the new boss..same as the old boss.

I asked someone at work, who I knew had voted for Obama, how he thought the first year had been. The guy would be described by most people as a slightly left/centrist type with libertarian leanings. I thought he would have been sorely disappointed but to my shock and surprise, he said he was very satisfied and "O" had done a good job. This guy is not a moron. He is in charge of a small IT department and is pretty "plugged in".

My point being, it is depressing when intelligent people have bought the "party line" on so many levels. Of course, in his way of thinking Bush was bad which is valid but he cannot seem to put the puzzle together and figure out that "Obama" is simply a substitute for "Bush" with a urban veneer. I guess it really hit me because I had just read the Harper's article on how we killed three prisoners at Gitmo in 2006 and Obama's Justice Depart has totally covered it up. Not interested in investigating it at all even though it happened under Bush's term. Pathetic.
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Postby elfismiles » Wed Jan 27, 2010 1:06 pm

josey wales wrote:...meet the new boss..same as the old boss.

I asked someone at work, who I knew had voted for Obama, how he thought the first year had been. The guy would be described by most people as a slightly left/centrist type with libertarian leanings. I thought he would have been sorely disappointed but to my shock and surprise, he said he was very satisfied and "O" had done a good job. This guy is not a moron. He is in charge of a small IT department and is pretty "plugged in".

My point being, it is depressing when intelligent people have bought the "party line" on so many levels. Of course, in his way of thinking Bush was bad which is valid but he cannot seem to put the puzzle together and figure out that "Obama" is simply a substitute for "Bush" with a urban veneer. I guess it really hit me because I had just read the Harper's article on how we killed three prisoners at Gitmo in 2006 and Obama's Justice Depart has totally covered it up. Not interested in investigating it at all even though it happened under Bush's term. Pathetic.


I know the feeling JW. It's really crazy when I talk with my liberal friends about the increase of drone attacks which are killing increasing numbers of civilians and they just respond, "but it puts fewer of our soldiers in harms way."

Hey, can you provide a link to the Harpers article you mention? I just scroogled for it and found a few Harper's articles by Scott Horton but am not sure which one you are referencing.

EDIT: I see a link to related article here on the forums... which references the Scott Horton Harper's article:

Murders at Guantanamo: Exposing the Truth about the 2006 ‘Suicides’
By Andy Worthington / The Public Record / Jan 18th, 2010
http://pubrecord.org/torture/6626/murde ... ing-truth/

The Guantánamo “Suicides”: A Camp Delta sergeant blows the whistle
http://www.harpers.org/archive/2010/01/hbc-90006368

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Re: Obama continues Pres. assassinations of US citizens

Postby josey wales » Wed Jan 27, 2010 2:51 pm

Thanks elfismiles. I see you found the article I mentioned. Horton was interviewed about the story on this link:


http://antiwar.com/radio/2010/01/19/scott-horton-26/



It is Antiwar.com and Antiwar Radio and if you are not familiar with it give it a look. It is dead on and has a bunch of fantastic articles and interviews.
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Postby elfismiles » Wed Jan 27, 2010 5:42 pm

josey wales wrote:Thanks elfismiles. I see you found the article I mentioned. Horton was interviewed about the story on this link:

http://antiwar.com/radio/2010/01/19/scott-horton-26/

It is Antiwar.com and Antiwar Radio and if you are not familiar with it give it a look. It is dead on and has a bunch of fantastic articles and interviews.


Howdy JW.

Thanks and yeah, am quite familiar. Am actually good friends with the host Scott Horton and his producer Angela Keaton. I host Angela's website(s) and I carry Scott's AntiWar-Radio on my own webradio network: www.AnomalyRadio.com

Scott's awesome. I wish he still lived here in Austin. Hell, I wish Angela still lived here. Those were good times. I actually used to co-host the Thursday Evening News on KOOP radio here in Austin with Angela and Scott.... until the station was burned to the ground the same weekend that the building's owner was shot in the face by Dick Cheney. That was the SECOND of 3 fires for KOOP radio in about a 2 years time.
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Re: Obama continues Pres. assassinations of US citizens

Postby sunny » Wed Jan 27, 2010 6:34 pm

elfismiles wrote:
josey wales wrote:Thanks elfismiles. I see you found the article I mentioned. Horton was interviewed about the story on this link:

http://antiwar.com/radio/2010/01/19/scott-horton-26/

It is Antiwar.com and Antiwar Radio and if you are not familiar with it give it a look. It is dead on and has a bunch of fantastic articles and interviews.


Howdy JW.

Thanks and yeah, am quite familiar. Am actually good friends with the host Scott Horton and his producer Angela Keaton. I host Angela's website(s) and I carry Scott's AntiWar-Radio on my own webradio network: http://www.AnomalyRadio.com

Scott's awesome. I wish he still lived here in Austin. Hell, I wish Angela still lived here. Those were good times. I actually used to co-host the Thursday Evening News on KOOP radio here in Austin with Angela and Scott.... until the station was burned to the ground the same weekend that the building's owner was shot in the face by Dick Cheney. That was the SECOND of 3 fires for KOOP radio in about a 2 years time.


Oh my lord elfie. What did the poor fellow do to Dick Cheney? Any idea?

Anyhoo, most of my immediate family is just recently waking up to the Obama reality and I am so glad because it's lonely enough down here for a democratic socialist conspiracy theorist
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Re: Obama continues Pres. assassinations of US citizens

Postby elfismiles » Fri Jan 29, 2010 1:14 pm

sunny wrote:
elfismiles wrote:<snip>

Scott's awesome. I wish he still lived here in Austin. Hell, I wish Angela still lived here. Those were good times. I actually used to co-host the Thursday Evening News on KOOP radio here in Austin with Angela and Scott.... until the station was burned to the ground the same weekend that the building's owner was shot in the face by Dick Cheney. That was the SECOND of 3 fires for KOOP radio in about a 2 years time.


Oh my lord elfie. What did the poor fellow do to Dick Cheney? Any idea?

Anyhoo, most of my immediate family is just recently waking up to the Obama reality and I am so glad because it's lonely enough down here for a democratic socialist conspiracy theorist


Hi Sunny,

Have never figured that one out. And actually, it really could just be synchronicity, though... who knows.

Basically the first two fires occurred when the radiostation was located on 5th street (right in the heart of downtown and by the Sixth-Street music scene). The building was in atrocious condition, filled with mostly vangrants, low-rent music practice spaces, the overwhelming smell of human urine and crack pipe smoke. The owner had butted heads repeatedly with the City of Austin over his many downtown properties. They had been trying to steal some property of his I think via eminent domain tactics and he'd been fighting back. So I have no idea whether there was any real connection other than synchronicity.

In both of those fires they were ruled accident and were generally assumed to be caused by the crack smoking vagrants.

BUT, the second fire did burn the building beyond repair and a new location was sought and found.

And THEN that new location was semi-torched by an arsonist DJ, allegedly. I've always thought that it was a semi-false-flag scenario where the DJ in question had intended perhaps to ride to the rescue by bringing in donors to fix up the fire he caused. But that is absolute complete speculation.


In early 2006, KOOP's 304 E. Fifth Street studio was hit by two fires. On 6 January a fire caused significant smoke damage; the station suspended operation for just five days and sought a new home.[5] Before a site could be found, a second fire occurred on 4 February which destroyed KOOP's building and three adjacent structures that housed artist studios and a nightclub.[6] Both fires were declared accidental. The first was blamed on careless smoking by a neighbor; the second, on the nightclub's faulty heating and air conditioning unit.[5][7][8]

The February fire knocked KOOP off the air for 17 days, during which time KVRX covered its sister station's hours, as it had following the original fire. KOOP resumed broadcasting on 21 February from studios at the city's classical music station KMFA.[5][8] By the end of 2006, KOOP had found new quarters at 3823 Airport Boulevard, where it built two broadcast studios, two production rooms, a music library, meeting space and offices.[9] The station began broadcasting from the facility on 9 December 2006.[5]

KOOP had been broadcasting from its new home for less than 13 months when it suffered yet another blaze. On 5 January 2008, a fire swept through the Airport Boulevard studios, causing an estimated $300,000 damage.[10] Austin fire officials declared the incident arson and within weeks charged a former station volunteer, Paul Webster Feinstein, with setting the blaze. According to investigators, Feinstein had quit a month earlier following a dispute over the music lineup for the station's overnight webstream.[11][12] On 12 June 2009, Feinstein pleaded guilty to setting the 2008 fire, and was sentenced to ten years imprisonment; however, as part of a plea agreement, Feinstein will serve 120 days at the Texas State Prison in Huntsville, pay $134,000 restitution, serve 10 years probation upon release from prison, and undergo community service and counseling.[13]

The station was back on the air within a few weeks, using studio space donated by Entercom Austin, which owns three of the city's commercial stations.[14] KOOP returned to its Airport Boulevard studio in September 2008.[15]


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KOOP_(FM)#Fires


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