The role of the Catholic church WRT conspiracies

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Postby Hairball » Mon Oct 26, 2009 3:53 pm

A long-awaited report into clerical abuse in the Diocese of Dublin is expected to be published this week and bishops are bracing themselves for another round of public anger.


This report was finished in February, it's release was delayed until the High Court had examined if it would prejudice the ongoing trials of three priests. Last week they ruled that it could be published except for one chapter (I think it's going to have scores of chapters) and all references to one priest and some of his victims from the rest of the document.

It was expect to be published last week but on Wednesday the Minister for Justice sent it back to the High Court. Apparently the Attorney General and DPP have decided that it will prejudice other cases. Don't expect this one for another 6 months.

I personally think they're waiting until Cardinal Desmond Connell, who was instrumental in moving abusive priests from parish to parish, pops his clogs. This would save him from dieing in jail.
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Postby Sounder » Tue Oct 27, 2009 7:10 pm

It will also be another shattering blow to the moral authority of an institution that once ruled Ireland with an iron rod, following hard on the heels of the Ryan report, an independent tribunal that concluded in May after a decade of evidence-gathering that there had been “endemic and systemic” sexual, physical and emotional abuse of hundreds of thousands of Irish children in residential institutions run by religious orders. Four years ago, when Kathleen first told her story in her memoir, Childhood Interrupted, there were plenty of cynics around who were prepared to cast doubt on the extraordinary tale of suffering inside a system that seemed akin to the worst excesses of a totalitarian regime.

But a sea-change has occurred in Ireland since the Ryan report: the anger still swirls and will gather strength again this week with the publication of another report.


One can only hope. They treated all the children this way, sick that it is still only partially seen for what it is. (A breaking of the spirit)

My introduction to deep politics included a book that illustrated how counterfeit bonds get used as collateral for large projects. The writer asserted that he took ‘orders’ from a variety of rich people, worked with a mobbed up printer to make the paper, and then delivered the fake bonds to the customer. The bank kindly did not examine the bonds for authenticity in order to advance projects that represented new money streams for both the bank and the rich client. The maybe odd conclusion is that much ‘progress’ comes from fake collateral. He made it sound like this was SOP for the elite in the 60’s and 70’s, with, of course the CC being a significant client.

These folk believe that this is how ‘progress’ is made; they believe they are being ‘good’. With a heavy commitment to their version of ‘good’, people can become quite immune to counter-factual arguments. Plus, everyone you hang out with carries the same pretence, so bending a law or regulation or two in order to achieve a larger and more important imperative, is not a big deal. Until it becomes a big deal. Maybe this is how the uncovering proceeds forward. Maybe some of the folk that are semi-deep players in the mutual blackmail society will have sobering realizations of the real nature of their motivations. They can document current methods used to game the system, and lawmen can apply themselves to a socially beneficial role, rather than accepting the demeaning role as the hired thugs in service to criminal elites.

I heard, but not much, that this happened recently in Bolivia, where the police successfully took down a mercenary unit, sponsored by some rich fuck that made his cash by stealing indigenous patrimony, which was tasked with whacking Evo Morales. Remember also the Lithuanian fellow that killed the Judge and sister-in-law, and then went on the run, getting great popular support and more, with his letter to no one being quite the kicker. This kind of thing may help to get lawmen to reconsider what it is they really want to BE. The letter written by the latest scientology defector, Paul Haggis, illustrates both how hard it can be to turn on the light bulb(35 years) but also how, if it is turned on, how large the impact may be, still depending no doubt on the ability of the ptmb to maintain control of the larger context.


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Because the rich will eat their own, some of the players may choose to go down in a blaze of glory rather than to die in ignominious shame. And why not? At least for people like Paul Haggis, the Lithuanian citizen and many unnamed others, exposing the dirt provides a continuing sense of purpose. It’s sure better than being broken by the system that made you.

I’m looking for Judges to lead in the breakdown of the mutual blackmail society. Or maybe something from a Judges child, someone that is really close and that maybe has been near broken down by witnessing the disparity between the public and the private face of power.

The accountants are another good candidate; they do like to keep good records after all.

Love to all, especially to those that come clean before they check out.
All these things will continue as long as coercion remains a central element of our mentality.
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Postby chiggerbit » Thu Oct 29, 2009 6:40 pm

http://patrickmadrid.blogspot.com/2009/ ... e-new.html

New Allegations Against Fr. Marcial Maciel Surface in Mexican Press



The left-leaning Mexican daily newspaper, La Jornada, is reporting an explosive new set of paternity allegations against the late Father Marcial Maciel, founder of the Legionaries of Christ.

Earlier this year, the religious order was rocked to its foundations by revelations of its founder's fraudulent double life (see my February 3, 2009 commentary on this). New allegations surfaced today in a La Jornada article, which I have translated from the original Spanish and excerpted below:



Three More Children of Marcial Maciel Claim Inheritance Rights

Mexican lawyer José Bonilla Sada has made it known that three [additional] children, born in Mexico, will contest the Legionaries of Christ [claiming] that they should recognize their existence and their rights as heirs to the goods of the religious order's founder.

The litigant, who has as his assistant one Joaquín Aguilar — a victim of sexual abuse committed by ex-priest Nicholas Aguilar — said that he is confident that there is sufficient proof to demonstrate that even the late Pope John Paul II, along with the Legion, knew of the existence of Maciel's three other children, now adults, who were legally recognized by their father but whose names will be kept confidential.

Some months ago, the order founded by the late priest, [who was] accused of sexual abuse against minors, admitted the existence of one of his daughters. Her name, according to Bonilla's account on his blog http://conlajusticia.wordpress.com, is Norma Hilda. She lives in Madrid, Spain, where, along with her mother of the same name, she obtained a non-work related residence visa.

Originally from Guerrero [Mexico], she is approximately 23 years old and maintains a comfortable lifestyle level, such that she does not have to work; she lives in a luxury apartment building and also has other income [rents] from the same building in which she lives. They were acquired by Marcial Maciel with money from benefactors of the congregation.

It was precisely because of this blog that the late priest's three children contacted José Bonilla to represent them; after which they furnished him with a series of documents that verify their relationship to Maciel: photographs showing that they had met with John Paul II, all kinds of letters, and recordings of high-level leaders in the Legion of Christ discussing this issue.

The litigant maintains that the calligraphic [i.e., handwriting] evidence is sufficient to demonstrate that the letters were written by Maciel's own hand, and that his children can be subjected to DNA testing to demonstrate their blood relationship [with him].

At present, the lawyer is studying [the evidence] and composing a civil law suit, in which it would be determined that his clients have inheritance rights, although he admits that before coming to that point he hopes to reach a settlement with the Legion of Christ.

"I suppose," said Bonilla, "that he [Maciel] did leave them money. Our team is working on this, and some informants have have told us that it is a significant amount. One must remember that the Legion surrounded and was for [i.e. at the disposal of] the founder; practically speaking, everything was his.

He indicated that the deceased [priest's] children seek their existence be acknowledged and, eventually, they are contemplating making known [publicly] the life they had at their father's side, in the sense of how it developed, which is to say, what he counseled them, what he taught them, and that they have rights of inheritance. (link to original La Jornada article in Spanish)

Developing . . .
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Postby chiggerbit » Thu Oct 29, 2009 6:44 pm

http://enlightenedcatholicism-colkoch.b ... n-his.html

..........Today, the pope faces a greater challenge to his authority. The Vatican is investigating an international religious order with its U.S. headquarters in Orange and its main seminary in Cheshire. How should the pope handle the Legionaries of Christ?

In 2006, he banished the founder, Father Marcial Maciel Degollado, 86, to "a life of prayer and penitence" after an investigation of pedophilia charges The Courant first reported in 1997.

Despite testimony by 30 ex-Legionaries abused by Maciel, the Vatican failed to specify his moral crimes. To mollify his followers, the Vatican praised the order, ignoring its website that had attacked the victims. The legion then cast Maciel as falsely accused, all but scoffing at the pope.

Maciel, who died last year, was the greatest fundraiser of the modern church. The Legion's donor base includes Carlos Slim of Mexico, among the world's richest men. He lent The New York Times $250 million to keep it afloat. The Legion, with a $650 million budget yet only 700 priests, operates seminaries, colleges and schools in several countries.

Maciel impressed his priests and seminarians with lavish gifts to favored Vatican officials. Several insiders I've interviewed express regret about checks as high as $10,000 to certain cardinals, Christmas gifts of expensive wines and $1,000 Spanish hams, even a car to one cardinal. They wonder if all that was bribery. (Gee, I wonder who that Cardinal was.)

Moreover, as two Legion priests told me in Rome this summer, seminarians — with mail screened and Web access restricted — are kept in the dark about Maciel's pedophilia history. Three years after Benedict punished Maciel, seminarians still study his writings.

John Paul II, who championed the Legion despite the allegations against Maciel, appeared in a Legion marketing video (which it no longer uses) telling a group: "You are all sons and daughters of Father Maciel!"

The irony drips like candle wax. In February, Legion officials revealed that Maciel had an out-of-wedlock daughter. In August, news reports from Madrid and Mexico City said that Maciel fathered six children by two women.

Mexico City attorney Jose Bonilla represents three of the adult children, claiming ample evidence of their paternity, demanding compensation from the Legionaries. The religious order has not refuted him. Bonilla also asserted that Legion officials knew about Maciel's children in the 1990s. Meaning, the leadership deceived donors and two popes for at least a decade. (One wonders how deceived said popes actually were. Especially since Benedict didn't waste a whole lot of time before he censured Maciel.).....
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Postby chiggerbit » Thu Oct 29, 2009 6:47 pm

http://mexfiles.net/2008/01/31/fascist- ... dies-good/

aciel, born in Michoacán 10 March 1920, was the founder of the Legions of Christ and Regnum Christi. The Legion is a religious congregation, Regnum Christi includes both priests and laymen. Both inculcate absolute, unquestioning fidelity to the ultimate leader (aka, Marcial Maciel) and to rat out any internal critics… sort of like Scientologists, or fascists.

The fascist tendencies in Marciel’s movements is reflected in their support for Franco’s Falangist Spain, and their later support for Mexican synarchism (and, the “confessional wing” of PAN). It’s no accident that Eric Prince, of Blackwater infamy, is one of the groups more enthusiastic backers

Several Roman Catholic Bishops in the United States have thrown the Legion — and Regnum Christi out of their dioceses, mostly because they see the two Marciel organizations as a “parallel church” which discourages its members from contact with “normal” Catholics. Several bishops — and not just in the United States — have also been bothered by overt elitism in these groups, an attitude seen as reactionary to modern church leaders.

Marciel encouraged his followers to target the well-heeled and well-connected (again, like the Scientologists) — with the goal of influencing public policy. With their strict obedience to superiors, these “elites” were the natural allies of people like Franco and Pinochet, and — with their unquestioning fidelity to their Fuhrer, were perfect servants to the Fascists. In Mexico, the Regnum Christi movement took a very sinister turn a few years ago, turning into youth gangs that beat up minorities (indigenous peoples, Protestants, gays) in PANista strongholds like Aguascalientes.

Marciel a favorite of Augustin Pinochet and Imelda Marcos was … alas poor Mexico… coddled by Pope John-Paul II. The late pope brought Marciel along on his three Mexican tours, permitted the two groups expansion and… apparently… turned a blind eye to what exactly Marciel’s “unquestioning fidelity” meant.
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Postby Hairball » Fri Nov 20, 2009 7:27 pm

Edited report on Dublin abuse cleared for release

THE HIGH Court has cleared the way for publication of most of the report on the the handling by Catholic Church and State authorities of child sex abuse allegations against clerics in the Dublin archdiocese.
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Yesterday the judge made a similar order deleting all references to a named man, and that man’s brother, in chapter 20 and in other parts of the report.

He ruled that certain material in that chapter should not be published until further direction by the court.

He also ordered that the man and his brother can both only be referred to as Rev -; Fr -; or Mr -.


End of next week they say. Unless they coincidentally initiate a prosecution against a priest and/or his brother 3 days beforehand precipitating another delay.

"The Fathers are mothers!"
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Postby Perelandra » Wed Nov 25, 2009 3:57 pm

Catholic Order Pays Out for Abuse

A Catholic religious order is to supply a 161m euros (£145m) package of measures as reparation for child abuse in Ireland.

The Christian Brothers said the decision had been taken in response to the Ryan report which revealed decades of abuse at religious institutions.

The report, published in May, laid out a picture of systematic abuse. In a statement the order said its move followed its "shame and sorrow at the findings of the Ryan Report".

"We understand and regret that nothing we say or do can turn back the clock for those affected by abuse," the statement continued.

"Our fervent hope is that the initiatives now proposed will assist in the provision of support services to former residents of the institutions as well as the facilities, resources and scope to protect, cherish and educate present and future generations of children."

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The settlement includes a donation of 30m euros to a government trust in addition to 4m euros for counselling services.

The plan also entails the transfer of school playing fields - which the order values at 127m euros - into the joint ownership of the government and the trust which runs former Christian Brothers schools.

The order previously gave £30m euros to a redress fund.

That was part of a much-criticised 2002 deal between the government and religious orders, which capped the orders' contributions at 127m euros.

After the outrage which greeted the Ryan report the Irish government made clear that the orders would have to come up with more compensation.

'Endemic'

No real names, of perpetrators, appeared in the Ryan report after the Christian Brothers took legal action in 2004 to keep the identities of all of its members, dead or alive, out of the report.

More than 2,000 people told the commission they had suffered physical and sexual abuse as children in the institutions, which included schools and orphanages.

It found that sexual abuse was "endemic" in boys' institutions, and church leaders knew what was going on.

The report, nine years in the making and covering a period of six decades, also found government inspectors failed to stop beatings, rapes and humiliation.

More allegations were made against the Christian Brothers than the other male orders combined.

The report found child safety was not a priority for the Christian Brothers who ran the institutions, the order was defensive in its response to complaints and failed to accept any congregational responsibility for abuse.

On Thursday a separate report will be published exposing child sex abuse by Catholic priests in the Dublin Archdiocese.
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Postby Hairball » Wed Nov 25, 2009 4:25 pm

Oops, I guess Jeff must be drunk or something to let me back on, but since I'm here:

The "Christian" Brothers' assests were assessed as €20billion (€20,000,000,000) after the banksters destroyed the global economy. They have billions, (EDIT: a good deal of it is the proceeds of child slavery) they squirreled it away in foundations. To preserve the name Edmund Rice considering what the order he founded did to thousands (tens of?) of children is an insult to any Creator that might exist.
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Postby Hairball » Thu Nov 26, 2009 8:47 pm

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Postby chiggerbit » Tue Dec 15, 2009 3:52 pm

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... hurch.html

Indian nun claims sex is rife within Catholic Church
An Indian nun has stunned the Catholic Church with a confessional autobiography claiming widespread sexual abuse and bullying within its cloisters.


By Dean Nelson in New Delhi
Published: 11:57AM GMT 20 Feb 2009

Bookshops throughout India's Christian communities in Kerala have already sold out of Amen, the autobiography of Sister Jesme, who has alleged that priests and nuns not only broke their vows of celibacy with each other but regularly forced novices to have sex with them.

The Catholic Church in India is mired in a series of sexual controversies, and has only just begun to recover from the dismissal of a senior bishop who "adopted" an attractive 26-year-old female companion as his "daughter".



The book by the former nun reveals how as a young novice she was propositioned in the confession box by a priest who cited biblical references to "divine kisses". Later she was cornered by a lesbian nun at a college where they were teaching. "She would come to my bed in the night and do lewd acts and I could not stop her," she claims.

When she was sent to Bangalore to stay with a priest known for his piety, he lectured her about the need for "physical love" and later assaulted her.

"Back in his room, he tried to fondle me and when I resisted, got up and asked angrily if I had seen a man. When I said no, he stripped himself, ejaculated and forced me to strip," she writes.

According to Sister Jesme, senior church officials twice tried to admit her into rehabilitation clinics and claimed she had mental problems after she complained about the scale of sexual abuse and the number of illicit affairs between nuns and priests.

Dr Paul Thelekkat, a spokesman for the Syro-Malabar Catholic church said he had some sympathy for sister Jesme, and respected her freedom to express her views, but he believed her claims were trivial. "How far what she says is well-founded I can't say, but the issues are not very serious. We're living with human beings in a community and she should realise this is part of human life," he told the Daily Telegraph.
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Postby Sounder » Tue Feb 16, 2010 7:20 pm

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Postby chiggerbit » Tue Feb 16, 2010 10:46 pm

First, I was able to access the article, now I only get an error report.

Anyway:

...Most cases reported to the order so far occurred in the late 1960s and early 1970s. Catholic priests speaking off the record say that, as leaders of church youth groups during this period, they were confused by the rapid changes in society. Pupils were caught up in the sexual revolution of that time and wanted to discuss their sexuality with the priests, many of whom were in their twenties....


Look at that--they're blaming the victims!
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Postby chiggerbit » Tue Feb 16, 2010 10:51 pm

Ok, I was able to access Sounder's article again, which I'm going to post before it's lost again:

Jesuits hard hit by high number of abuse claims
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The sexual abuse scandal in Jesuit-run German schools is spreading rapidly and is likely to involve more than a hundred former pupils, according to the head of one of the affected colleges.

The impact on the Catholic order, the Society of Jesus, has been devastating, since the Jesuits have always boasted: “Give us the child for seven years and we will give you the man.” Now it seems the order may lose some of its credibility, in Germany at least, as a pillar of Catholic education.

“I can imagine that we will reach a three-figure number,” said Father Klaus Mertes, head of the elite Canisius college in Berlin, talking of the number of possible victims. He did not exclude a compensation package.

Manuela Groll, a lawyer representing many former pupils, said: “More and more victims are coming forward every day.”
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The problems are not confined to the Berlin college, with cases of possible abuse being investigated at schools in Bonn, Göttingen, in St Blasien in southwest Germany, Hanover and Hamburg. At the Alosius college in Bonn, alma mater of Thomas de Mazière, the Interior Minister, and Stefan Raab, one of Germany’s top TV entertainers, the director has resigned after a parent accused him of complicity.

The claims date from the late 1950s to well into the 1990s but all, so far, fall under the statute of limitations, meaning that there will be no official criminal prosecution.

Instead, the order has engaged an independent lawyer, Ursula Raue, to look into the allegations. Some abuse victims say that she is too close to the Jesuits.

Most cases reported to the order so far occurred in the late 1960s and early 1970s. Catholic priests speaking off the record say that, as leaders of church youth groups during this period, they were confused by the rapid changes in society. Pupils were caught up in the sexual revolution of that time and wanted to discuss their sexuality with the priests, many of whom were in their twenties. Until then, say the priests, Catholic education had an innocence about it. But the problems run much deeper. Many of the complainants say they were put under pressure to masturbate their priests. The Süddeutsche Zeitung carried an interview with an anonymous 62-year-old who has been active in politics for the past three decades.

He described graphically how, 50 years ago, he would be expected to enter the priest’s room and perform a sex act. The priest left the college two years later, supposedly for health reasons, to a parish in the Tyrolean alps, where he died in 1972.

To judge by the testimony of the victims, this was part of a pattern of covering the tracks of offending priests. Serious sexual and psychological abuse appears to have been tolerated until word leaked out to parents.

The Jesuits have apologised to the victims but the order faces a long period of self-appraisal. Even within the order, the expectation is that the paper trail will show a record of shielding offenders and ignoring signs of child abuse.
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Postby chiggerbit » Tue Feb 16, 2010 10:55 pm

He described graphically how, 50 years ago, he would be expected to enter the priest’s room and perform a sex act. The priest left the college two years later, supposedly for health reasons, to a parish in the Tyrolean alps, where he died in 1972.


So, around 1960? Doesn't quite look like the priest was in his twenties, does it?
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Postby crikkett » Thu Feb 18, 2010 7:47 am

Wombaticus Rex wrote:I think Eugenics is a necessary conversation we need to be having as a species, in fact. (Not that anyone is qualified to either lead that convo, or make decisions as a result of it, see...that's the catch.)


you may mean, make decisions for other people. b/c I decided not to have kids, myself, as the person in charge of my own procreational bits. (it helped that dh had already made the same decision for himself, and his bits, as well.)
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