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Postby elfismiles » Thu Mar 27, 2008 5:57 pm

FBI's Operation Chaos
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_CHAOS

Lush Limpbaugh, er um, Rush Limbaugh's Operation Chaos...

Rush the Vote: Operation Chaos
http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_031208/content/01125108.guest.html

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Or what about ...

Postby elfismiles » Thu Mar 27, 2008 6:00 pm

... or how about:

March 27, 2008

"No Doubt, It Needed to Happen"
NPR News: National Pentagon Radio?
By NORMAN SOLOMON

While the Iraqi government continued its large-scale military assault in Basra, the NPR reporter's voice from Iraq was unequivocal this morning: "There is no doubt that this operation needed to happen."

Such flat-out statements, uttered with journalistic tones and without attribution, are routine for the U.S. media establishment. In the "War Made Easy" documentary film, I put it this way: "If you're pro-war, you're objective. But if you're anti-war, you're biased. And often, a news anchor will get no flak at all for making statements that are supportive of a war and wouldn't dream of making a statement that's against a war."

So it goes at NPR News, where -- on "Morning Edition" as well as the evening program "All Things Considered" -- the sense and sensibilities tend to be neatly aligned with the outlooks of official Washington. The critical aspects of reporting largely amount to complaints about policy shortcomings that are tactical; the underlying and shared assumptions are imperial. Washington's prerogatives are evident when the media window on the world is tinted red-white-and-blue.

http://www.counterpunch.org/solomon03272008.html

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Re: Keyword hijacking of CIA's Operation CHAOS

Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Fri Mar 28, 2008 12:59 am

elfismiles wrote:Rush the Vote: Operation Chaos
http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_031208/content/01125108.guest.html
.....


Argh. Nice find, elfismiles.
Rush Limbaugh/CIA is keyword hijacking a CIA domestic program similiar to the FBI's COINTELPRO which murdered Black Panthers.

And just before the April 4th 40th anniversary of the USG murder of Martin Luther King.
Timing.
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Part of a regular "Operation CHAOS" series by ole Rushie boy-
Most Popular
1. Stack of Stuff Quick Hits Page
2. Carville vs. Daschle: It's Chaos!
3. Bill Clinton Shows Strain on MTV
4. If Rush Gets Indicted for Operation Chaos, Indict Obama, Clinton, Too
5. McCain's "New Europe" Address
6. Left Attempts to Disenfranchise, Intimidate Operation Chaos Voters
7. Bosnia Lie: CBS Destroys Hillary
8. The Official Obama Criticizer on Reverend J. Wright's Italian Slur
9. Mrs. Clinton Called on Bosnia Lie
10. Democrats Are Cracking Up Under the Pressure of Operation Chaos



Started in 1967, the CIA's Operation CHAOS was (is) an illegal domestic program to attack domestic dissent against the Vietnam War and activist groups in general.

When Ramparts Magazine started exposing CIA manipulation of Students for a Democratic Society and other illegal domestic tricks, Richard Helms cooked up a plan to target dissent under the cover of targeting terrorism. Sound familiar?

The Operation CHAOS program was controversial even within CIA where it was compartmentalized as the most politically risky operation due to flagrantly violating the CIA's mandate against domestic operations...besides murdering Kennedys, that is.

A massive effort was made to shut down the many underground newspapers that were the backbone of the anti-war movement. "Freedom of the press"...right.
Celebrities like Jane Fonda were burglarized and terrified by CIA spooks.

Hiding the records of this American Gestapo program has been one of the prime reasons for CIA continuing to worm out of Freedom of Information Act accountability as documented in Angus MacKenzie's 1997 book, 'Secrets: The CIA's War at Home.'

Rush Limbaugh has been a tool of the CIA-ABC media Gestapo for years.
And any media that reaches a big market will become a conduit for psy-ops.

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On the CIA-Limbaugh ties from the late Steve Kangas who died mysteriously in 1999-
http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/L-libmedia.htm

ABC and the rise of Rush Limbaugh

The following brief history of ABC offers a perfect snapshot of everything that has gone wrong with the media. This remarkable story includes ABC's takeover by a conservative parent corporation, the demise of the Fairness Doctrine, the rightward shift of the evening news, the rise of conservative talk radio, and the cozy relationship between a state and a press that are supposed to be separate.

In 1985, ABC was taken over by Capital Cities, a conservative, Roman Catholic media organization with extensive ties to the CIA.

(If you think we're making this up, you should know that the Capital Cities takeover of ABC is one of the most analyzed in history, and the subject of many books by Wall Street experts and scholars. Especially recommended is Networks of Power, by Emmy Award-winner Dennis Mazzocco.) (1)

Capital Cities was born in 1954, and rapidly prospered. Many of its founders had previously worked in the U.S. intelligence community and had a great amount of wealth, social contacts and influence in government. Yet they opted to keep the company's actions out of the public eye -- they did not flaunt their wealth with private planes and lavish offices the way so many successful companies do. Just exactly how well-connected Capital Cities was to the CIA is unknown, but it is clear that the CIA concerned itself with the company at various times. The fact that the CIA has often used private businessmen, journalists and even entire companies as fronts for covert operations is not only well-known by historians, but legendary. (Recall Howard Hughes and Trans-World Airlines...)

One of Capital City's early founders was William Casey, who would later become Ronald Reagan's Director of the CIA. At the time of Casey's nomination, the press expressed surprise that Reagan would hire a businessman whose last-known intelligence experience was limited to OSS operations in World War II. The fact is, however, that Casey had never left intelligence. Throughout the Cold War he kept a foot in both worlds, in private business as well as the CIA. A history of Casey's business dealings reveals that he was an aggressive player who saw nothing wrong with bending the law to further his own conservative agenda. When he became implicated as a central figure in the Iran-Contra scandal, many Washington insiders considered it a predictable continuation of a very shady career.

Another Capital Cities founder, Lowell Thomas, was a close friend and business contact with Allen Dulles, Eisenhower's CIA Director, and John Dulles, the Secretary of State. Thomas always denied being a spy, but he was frequently seen at events involving intelligence operations. Another founder was Thomas Dewey, whom the CIA had given millions to create other front companies for covert operations.

Capital Cities prospered from the start; its specialty was to buy media organizations that were in trouble. Upon acquisition, it would improve management and eliminate waste until the company started turning a profit. This no-nonsense, no-frills approach, as well as its refusal to become side-tracked with other ventures, made it one of the most successful media conglomerates of the 60s and 70s. Of course, the journalistic slant of its companies was decidedly conservative and anticommunist. To anyone who believes that the government should not control the press, the possibility that the CIA created a media company to dispense conservative and Cold War propaganda should be alarming. Rush Limbaugh himself calls freedom of the press "the sweetest -- and most American -- words you will ever find." (2) Apparently, he is unaware of the history of his own employers.

By the 1980s, Capital Cities had grown powerful enough that it was now poised to hunt truly big game: a major television network. A vulnerable target appeared in the form of ABC, whose poor management in the early 80s was driving both its profits and stocks into oblivion. Back then, ABC's journalistic slant was indeed liberal; its criticism of the Reagan Administration had drawn the wrath of conservatives everywhere, from Wall Street to Washington. This was in marked contrast to the rest of the White House press corps, which was, in Bagdikian's words, "stunningly uncritical" of Reagan. Behind the scenes, Reagan was deregulating the FCC and eliminating anti-monopoly laws for the media, a fact the media appreciated and rewarded. The only exception was ABC. Sam Donaldson's penetrating questions during press conferences were so embarrassing to Reagan that his handlers scheduled the fewest Presidential press conferences in modern history.

Another controversy involving the liberal slant of ABC was its airing of the anti-nuclear war movie The Day After. This movie angered conservatives like Henry Kissinger, who believe that the willingness to use nuclear weapons is actually a deterrence to war. But Kissinger got a chance to respond to the movie on national television. Nightline followed the movie with a group discussion that included Kissinger and other conservative pundits. The reason why ABC was so even-handed, presenting both a liberal and conservative viewpoint on nuclear war, was because they were required to by law: the Fairness Doctrine.

The Fairness Doctrine was repealed in 1987 by the FCC. Reagan had staffed the FCC with prominent media businessmen who were intent on slashing government regulations… the equivalent of letting the fox guard the chicken coop. Among the many other regulations slashed during the Reagan years were anti-trust laws that prevented the media from becoming a monopoly. Much of this was done under heavy pressure by corporate lobbyists.

In this atmosphere of deregulation, Capital Cities found the perfect time to take over ABC. Not only were all the legal restrictions removed, but by now Casey was head of the CIA, and whatever contacts existed between the CIA and Casey's company (in which Casey held substantial stock) were immeasurably strengthened. Capital Cities soon began buying out ABC stock. The facts of the acquisition remain curious and unconventional. Capital Cities was only one-fourth the size of ABC, and there were much wealthier corporate giants who were salivating over a plum like a television network. But word got out on Wall Street that the Capital Cities takeover bid was "protected" by Warren Buffet, a legendary trader often described as the "Darling of Wall Street." (Until 1995, Buffet was the richest man in America.) With Buffet's help, Capital Cities took over ABC. According to one source, a high-ranking CIA official teased Casey, saying, "I understand Sam Donaldson is working for you now."

Sam Donaldson would not be tormenting Republican presidents for long. By the Bush Presidency, Donaldson was removed from covering the White House and paired with Diane Sawyer in a weekly news magazine that covered political fluff. Brit Hume, a staunch conservative, would take his place, and the same torment that ABC once reserved for Ronald Reagan would now be directed towards Bill Clinton.

The new conservatism at ABC was subtle but apparent. Peter Jennings, noting that the program's "American Agenda" had a liberal slant, stated that the news would pay more attention to conservatives, since their ideas are "more provocative and less predictable on some issues."

During the 1991 Persian Gulf War, Washington Post TV critic Tom Shales noted that of all the networks, ABC was the "friendliest to and least critical of the Bush Administration and its policies." After the war, ABC marketed a video of General Schwartzkopf's famous briefing of the war, entitled "Schwartzkopf: How the War was Won." It sold 80,000 copies. Later, it would market a video on life and times of Richard Nixon.

It would be wrong, of course, to conclude that ABC had gone Attila the Hun. ABC News remained a source of somewhat balanced coverage; both Sam Donaldson and George Will continued to do battle every Sunday on This Week With David Brinkley. Indeed, some of the most scientific pieces warning about the destruction of the ozone layer came from ABC. The owners at Capital Cities/ABC couldn't make the Evening News blatantly conservative because such a change would be too controversial. But this did not defeat their effort. They could still create a conservative forum from scratch, and in this regard, the dying market of AM radio offered the opportunity of a lifetime.

There are about 11,000 radio stations in the U.S., and Capital Cities/ABC is by far the largest player. Either through outright ownership or the sale of numerous services, they reach about half the radio stations in America, and this number is growing. With the Fairness Doctrine repealed, Capital Cities was able in 1988 to begin broadcasting one-sided editorials on conservatism. ABC Radio Network President Edward McLaughlin scoured the nation's radio stations for conservative talent, and his search led him to Sacramento, to a little known disc-jockey named Rush Limbaugh. Rush had attracted an audience with his vigorous and spirited defense of Oliver North during the Iran-Contra hearings. McLaughlin brought him to New York City for a one-month "on-air" trial at Capital Cities/ABC's flagship radio station, WABC. For the next two years, ABC put him on the fast track, handling all his marketing, advertising and promotion. For legal purposes, and to protect ABC's image of supposed objectivity, Rush formed his own media company, Excellence in Broadcasting. But to this day Rush continues to broadcast out of WABC's studios in New York.

ABC initially promoted Rush by arranging his appearance on other debating shows, from Nightline to Donahue to MacNeil/Lehrer. (Unfortunately, he did so poorly against real live experts that this practice was eventually stopped.) Perhaps the most eye-brow raising example of Rush's promotion was when he appeared on an episode of ABC's 20/20 for an interview with Barbara Walters. Given Rush's criticism of feminists as "feminazis," this interview was built up as a confrontation between a female reporter in the mainstream media and Rush's supposedly misogynist views. The fact that Barbara Walters herself is conservative was nowhere mentioned. During the interview, Rush came across as charming, humorous, reasonable and moderate, and Walters closed the segment by stating that she actually liked him.

Ted Koppel's incessant praise of Rush Limbaugh is also an attempt to bring him into the mainstream. The back cover of See, I Told You So blurbs: "As no less a liberal than Ted Koppel... said, 'You ignore him at your peril.'" On television, Koppel has laughed with admiration over Limbaugh, calling him "terribly articulate." But the anchor of Nightline is far from liberal; indeed, Rush Limbaugh had to publicly apologize to Koppel for calling him one. And researchers have criticized Nightline for featuring a highly disproportionate number of experts who are white male conservatives.

Rush Limbaugh explains his success as the result of his individualism, of his refusal to do it someone's else's way. But the fact is that his success has been orchestrated, financed and promoted by Capital Cities/ABC. He also seems extraordinarily well-connected to the Republican leadership in Washington, carrying out their campaign strategies so faithfully that it is difficult to distinguish his promotions from their campaign commercials. For example, when Rush's television show debuted nationally two months before the 92 election, his producer was Roger Ailes, who was Bush's media advisor throughout the campaign. Many of the themes that Ailes had inspired earlier in the campaign showed up in identical form on Rush's show, which resembled a program-length commercial for the Bush campaign. When asked to give equal time to his opponents, Rush responded "I am equal time!"

In 1994, not only the Rush Limbaugh Show, but hundreds of other conservative talk shows dutifully raised the issues that Newt Gingrich's Contract Information Center faxed to them each morning about the Contract With America. Many went so far as to read them verbatim over the air. And when the Republicans captured Congress in 1994, they held a ceremony in honor of Limbaugh, naming him "an honorary member of Congress" and "the Majority Maker." That night, the conservative propaganda machine had reached its full potential.
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Re: Norman Solomon

Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Fri Mar 28, 2008 1:16 am

elfismiles wrote:... or how about:

March 27, 2008

"No Doubt, It Needed to Happen"
NPR News: National Pentagon Radio?
By NORMAN SOLOMON

While the Iraqi government continued its large-scale military assault in Basra, the NPR reporter's voice from Iraq was unequivocal this morning: "There is no doubt that this operation needed to happen."

Such flat-out statements, uttered with journalistic tones and without attribution, are routine for the U.S. media establishment. In the "War Made Easy" documentary film, I put it this way: "If you're pro-war, you're objective. But if you're anti-war, you're biased. .....


Norman Solomon claims that there is nothing wrong with the official account of 9/11.
He worked hard to keep 9/11 Truth off the air of Pacifica Radio and badjacketed Mike Ruppert.
Then Solomon QUIT Project Censored (!) when they had a presentation by Dr. Steven Jones.

Methinks Mr. Solomon doth protest too much.

Aha! Here's why Solomon hates Mike Ruppert. Ruppert outed him as a shill.
Over at OilEmpire.us we read that Solomon made an official USG trip to Iraq when it was illegal for journos to do so.

Check it out-
http://oilempire.us/solomon.html
...And just recently Norman Solomon of the Institute for Public Accuracy traveled with sitting congressman Nick Rahall and others on what CNN described as an official delegation to meet with officials of the Iraqi government.
-- from the lead essay from the Oct. 1, 2002 issue of Mike Ruppert's newsletter
From The Wilderness [emphasis added]


So while he is right about NPR being a war whore, he is a limited hang-out artist who is only too glad to talk about the Gulf of Tonkin hoax but won't touch 9/11AT ALL.

But then neither will the rest of FAIR, Fairness and Accuracy in Reporting, Solomon's home base.
The website doesn't mention Operation Mockingbird (or any CIA psy-ops) but instead advises that we must be wary of vaguely defined "official agendas."

Hmm. Whole lotta gatekeepin' goin' on...

Excellent watch blog for NPR war pimping-
http://nprcheck.blogspot.com/

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Re: Keyword hijacking of CIA's Operation CHAOS

Postby MinM » Mon Jan 12, 2009 3:21 pm

Hugh Manatee Wins wrote:When Ramparts Magazine started exposing CIA manipulation of Students for a Democratic Society and other illegal domestic tricks, Richard Helms cooked up a plan to target dissent under the cover of targeting terrorism. Sound familiar?

The Operation CHAOS program was controversial even within CIA where it was compartmentalized as the most politically risky operation due to flagrantly violating the CIA's mandate against domestic operations...besides murdering Kennedys, that is.

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Following up on his critique of the blogosphere -- Jim DiEugenio laments the blogs' unwillingness to go where Ramparts Magazine went -- in this interview:

http://www.blackopradio.com/pod/black406a.mp3

BTW .. the interview begins with the story of Yuri Nosenko and James Angleton.
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ABC and the rise of Rush Limbaugh

The following brief history of ABC offers a perfect snapshot of everything that has gone wrong with the media. This remarkable story includes ABC's takeover by a conservative parent corporation, the demise of the Fairness Doctrine, the rightward shift of the evening news, the rise of conservative talk radio, and the cozy relationship between a state and a press that are supposed to be separate...

This reminds me of a story written by the late Detroit Free Press columnist, Bob Talbert, nearly 20 years ago. In his Monday Moanin' column, Talbert recalled how he naively advised Rush Limbaugh to move beyond the Kennedy-bashing, as he took his show nationwide.
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Re: Keyword hijacking of CIA's Operation CHAOS

Postby MinM » Sun Dec 06, 2009 10:57 am

Hugh Manatee Wins wrote:When Ramparts Magazine started exposing CIA manipulation of Students for a Democratic Society and other illegal domestic tricks, Richard Helms cooked up a plan to target dissent under the cover of targeting terrorism. Sound familiar?

The Operation CHAOS program was controversial even within CIA where it was compartmentalized as the most politically risky operation due to flagrantly violating the CIA's mandate against domestic operations...besides murdering Kennedys, that is.

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In April 1966, Michigan State University’s campus was hardly awash in radical thought. The football team had won a share of the national title the previous fall, and students were looking forward to chanting “Kill Bubba Kill” next football season. President John Hannah got his first taste of the future when a panty raid and food fights in Brody Complex erupted into a full-fledged student riot.

The times, they were a changin’, and a slick, counterculture publication called Ramparts was right in the middle of the mix. The magazine’s April 1966 cover featured a rendering of Madame Nhu, sisterin-law to assassinated Vietnam President Ngo Dinh Diem and de facto first lady, outfitted with a faux MSU cheerleading outfit and pennant. The headline blared, “The University on the Make or how MSU helped arm Madame Nhu.”

The MSU cover story, which revealed the university’s long-term relationship with the CIA, was just one of many journalistic bombs the national magazine dropped in its short history and transformation from a sleepy Catholic literary journal in 1962 to a radical rag by 1964.

Peter Richardson, author of “A Bomb in Every Issue: How the Short Unruly life of Ramparts Magazine Changed America,” said Ramparts not only made an immediate impact with its muckraking journalism, it also left a legacy with former staffers, who started magazines like Rolling Stone and Mother Jones...

Richardson also makes the case that the MSU story helped launch the magazine into the stratosphere. “It supercharged the magazine’s circulation and changed its direction,” he said.

Noted rock artist Paul Davis did the illustrations for the article in the typically dramatic Ramparts’ style. In addition to the Nhu cover, inside pages featured overthe-top portrayals of other major players, including John Hannah as a football coach with a whistle stuck in his mouth and Vietnam Project operative Wesley Fishel in a football uniform.

The article tells the gripping tale of how Fishel, an assistant professor at MSU in the 1950s, developed a longstanding relationship with Diem, who became the CIA-backed president of the Republic of Vietnam. Fishel and Diem met in 1950, and when Diem ascended to the presidency in 1955, that friendship morphed into what was called the “Vietnam Project,” which led to MSU receiving $25 million to train police, militia and secret police, while supplying arms to the anticommunist regime.

The article was written primarily by Robert Scheer, who discovered the CIA relationship while digging around in a university research library. It wasn’t the best-kept secret of the Vietnam War era...
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Re: Keyword hijacking of CIA's Operation CHAOS

Postby MinM » Wed Feb 17, 2010 3:20 pm

Hugh Manatee Wins wrote:
elfismiles wrote:Rush the Vote: Operation Chaos
http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_031208/content/01125108.guest.html
.....


Argh. Nice find, elfismiles.
Rush Limbaugh/CIA is keyword hijacking a CIA domestic program similiar to the FBI's COINTELPRO which murdered Black Panthers.

And just before the April 4th 40th anniversary of the USG murder of Martin Luther King.
Timing.
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Drama pilots getting more diverse -- The Live Feed | THR
Halfway through the castings of broadcast drama pilots this season, the top-billed actors on four pilots are non-Caucasian.

What's more, the four projects are among the highest-profile drama pilots this year.

The spy couple at the center of J.J. Abrams' "Undercovers" for NBC is played by Gugu Mbatha-Raw and Boris Kodjoe. "Undercovers," co-written by Abrams, marks his first pilot directing effort since "Lost" six years ago.

Forest Whitaker is the lead on CBS' "Criminal Minds" spinoff; Laz Alonso tops the Fox action-drama "Breakout Kings," directed and exec produced by Gavin Hood; and Freddy Rodriguez headlines CBS' CIA drama "Chaos," directed and executive produced by Brett Ratner.
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re: decoys of CIA's Operation CHAOS+FBI's COINTELPRO

Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Wed Feb 17, 2010 5:46 pm

Science fiction novels and movies have been used as decoys for decades to hide things by confusing fact vs fiction.

Even before the CIA's Operation CHAOS and the FBI's COINTELPRO programs of the 1960s were exposed - merely emergency surges due to elite panic because they are old and permanent policies - the script spooks had their decoys out.

Published 1967, 1970, 1972 'Agent of Chaos' by Norman Spinrad sci-fi novel.
http://www.fantasticfiction.co.uk/s/nor ... -chaos.htm
September 1972 Bantam/Tower edition hypes on the front cover:
"The great science-fiction novel now an underground classic in colleges all across America."

[i]I have it. Keywords and plot mirror the CIA program, just like a stack of sci-fi novels I've collected designed as mirrors of real events exposed many years later.


The protagonist is named Johnson, of course. As in Lyndon Baines Johnson.

1967 cover-
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Next!

1968-1973 tv show decoy of the FBI's COINTELPRO program was called 'The Mod Squad.'
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Groovy youth helping the cops. Their boss's name was "Greer" as a decoy of suspicious behavior by JFK's limo driver named Greer. Same reason Dr. Greer is fronting the CIA's UFO disinfo culture.

But. The spooks got caught with their decoy on the air when COINTELPRO was discovered and partly exposed in
1971, then exposed much more in 1973.

So the keyword, 'Mod,' was hijacked and meme-reversed (young authority tools vs old rebel) by Norman CIA Lear as a homonym:
"Maude."
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The two shows over-lapped for a year of transition to the new decoy-of-a-decoy, a common process necessary to maintain cover as information horizons inevitably shift over time.
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Re: Hugh ... whaddya think about ...

Postby SanDiegoBuffGuy » Wed Feb 17, 2010 7:37 pm

The sound of "mod" doesn't equal the sound of "Maude" east of the Mississippi, though.

I think that's a bit of a stretch, even for you,
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Re: Hugh ... whaddya think about ...

Postby Uncle $cam » Wed Feb 17, 2010 7:47 pm

The sound of "mod" doesn't equal the sound of "Maude" east of the Mississippi, though.

I think that's a bit of a stretch, even for you,


That's bullshit. At least South east of the Mississippi that's exactly how it sounds. Your blanket statement is very offensive and subjective. It pisses me off this kind of shit, some of you guys have relegated and brow beat HMW to him only posting when asked.

But I digress, I am thinking the Washington consensus and the Southern strategy here.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_strategy
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Re: Hugh ... whaddya think about ...

Postby SanDiegoBuffGuy » Wed Feb 17, 2010 7:56 pm

Okay, Scam, what I probably should have said, is not everyone's accent is the same in the US. The accent out West, confuses "au" with a short "o" sound, but not many of the eastern accents, say mid-Atlantic, midwest or New England, to name a few.

If you want to look at a "blanket statement," look at Hugh's, because not all of us have the same accent. Or, you could look at your own self. Not all people "south east" of the Mississippi (wherever that is) have that same accent.

Such hostility! All I wanted to point out was that Maude does not equal Mod for a big chunk of Americans. Most of those speakers are found east of the Mississippi and make up a big chunk of our population. Understand?
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Re: Hugh ... whaddya think about ...

Postby Hammer of Los » Wed Feb 17, 2010 7:59 pm

Calm down y'all.

Frankly, Hugh wouldn't be Hugh without including something that is "a bit of a stretch." You get the extra mile out of Hugh. I'm big supporter of HMW's, but even I have been lead to sorrowful head shaking by his material once or twice. I think the nature of the study he is undertaking invites occasional apophenia, ie over-sensitivity.

And his attitude to woo is one sided and myopic.

But I must say in general Hugh and MinM are the winning team! Go guys, I love to read your fascinating input. Thanks for taking the time to share.
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Re: Hugh ... whaddya think about ...

Postby SanDiegoBuffGuy » Wed Feb 17, 2010 8:05 pm

I agree, Hammer, especially the "sorrowful head shaking" part. My employee, who posted here under "Hilda Martinez" used to sing the praises of Hugh and was even inspired by him (her?) to take up a fight against military recruiters in her neighborhood. I don't want to disparage Hugh, just wanted to point out that those two words are a little "off" to a big part of the population who would miss any association. I want Hugh to keep posting here and I enjoy his writings almost as much as Hilda did.
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Re: Hugh ... whaddya think about ...

Postby Uncle $cam » Wed Feb 17, 2010 8:15 pm

Perhaps it was an overly hostile retort, but my sentiment stands. Seeing this same argument of, 'I like and support HMW's work too, but..." gets old as well, it becomes predictable and therefore meaningless. I apologize for the derail, however, I simply couldn't let it pass with out speaking to it.

Addendum:*
After thinking about it, and I reluctantly share this, but what gets me is, being an abuse survivor myself, one of the ways my emotional abuse which invariably turned physical, occurred and was the most damaging, was of the double-bind kind, where I was called out/ set up, made to dance, and then abused. Which is entirely my own issue, does that make sense? In other words, I see HMW -in this instance- as being called out, then... well, you get the point I hope. It triggers me, which is funny how this stuff works, as I didn't realizes how bad until now, in process. Geez...

* sorry for all the edits, my mind sometimes races ahead of my typing.
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Re: Hugh ... whaddya think about ...

Postby SanDiegoBuffGuy » Wed Feb 17, 2010 8:21 pm

Scam, I don't think you derailed anything because the topic here was Hugh's opinion about something. I guess we all have opinions about Hugh's opinions. (???)

I would respectfully disagree with what you said about people saying "I like HMW's too, but..." is getting old, predictable and meaningless. In my short stay here I have seen people disagree with that poster's method, content, and other aspects of what he does. The disagreement can be as varied as we are.

I am fascinated by what I see here. Always.
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