Information trickled in very slowly. It didn't seem, to me, that he was immediately identified. Identification took a little while.

Don't forget the Pirelli Building in Milan, April 2002 (reported as accident)

A single propeller Rockwell Commander A112 piloted by a 68-year-old Swiss man hit the 26th floor of the 32 story Pirelli Tower (415ft/127m high) tower in an apparent accident at 5:48 pm, 18 minutes after take off. The crash killed the pilot and at least three other people. Sixty more people sustained injuries in the building and on the ground. The tower, located near Milan's central train station, is one of the world's tallest concrete buildings. http://archives.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/euro ... aly.milan/

What does this have to do with CA? Am I missing something? He had moved from CA to TX years ago. The plane was hangared and took off from an Austin airport.

At about the 3:40 mark in this video is where these news hounds first start to hear of a connection between the house fire and the plane crash...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGlo5iKRQ9s

The FBI Didn't Take Down Austin Plane Crash Pilot Joe Stack's Online Manifesto

Lawrence Delevingne | Feb. 18, 2010, 5:44 PM

Update 2: T35 has changed its note on the site to no longer make reference to an FBI request.

Update 1: Melen of T35 stands by his claim. "The FBI did call me and ask that I take down the site," he tells us. "I am not sure if you'd call it a request, recommendation, or suggestion, but that's what happened."
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Who took down Joe Stack's online manifesto?

The pilot who flew his small plane into an IRS office in Austin, Texas this morning wrote a suicide note on his former business domain http://embeddedart.com (pictured here).

But shortly after the site attracted national attention, a note from the hosting company, T35 Hosting, went up in place of the text at 2:30 pm:

This website has been taken offline due to the sensitive nature of the events that transpired in Texas this morning and in compliance with a request from the FBI. To see an archived version of the original letter, please go here: http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/ye ... tack1.html.

Problem is, the FBI doesn't make such requests.

FBI spokesman Special Agent Eric Vasys in San Antonio tells us "the FBI does not request that sites remove language such as being reported to be authored by Mr. Stack. That's not our area to do that."

On the contrary, Vasys adds: "In similar investigations, requests are made that electronic records be maintained for investigative purposes and not be destroyed or erased."

That contradicts what Alex Melen, who is listed as the president and founder of T35, noted in a forum post today that "The fbi requests were made over the phone."

It's not clear if the call was a hoax or if Melen is finding an excuse to shut down an overloaded server.

As he posted, the traffic was crippling:

Joe went over his bandwidth limits in just a few minutes today actually. I personally credited his account with an extra $500 of bandwidth to keep his site up. Even though it was just a text page, it was still close to 100kb in size, and when multiplied by over 10,000,000 hits (in the last 2 hours), that's still enough to bring a server down and use hundreds of GB of bandwidth.

And this:

I'm not going to really comment on the event specifically.. but just wanted to say that Joe was a customer with us for a long time (over 6 years) and had never had any issues. Always paid his bills on time, always a good customer. I'm still really shocked by everything that happened.

Melen did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

http://www.businessinsider.com/who-took ... sto-2010-2

What does this have to do with CA? Am I missing something? He had moved from CA to TX years ago. The plane was hangared and took off from an Austin airport.

Who took down Joe Stack's online manifesto?

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Someone who says he was in a band with Joe Stack has a thread running at DU. Member with high number of posts:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/di ... 89x7747831

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Fire
February 18, 2010
Burned house, plane crash linked to same person

Fire crews responded this morning to a fire at the home of a person who owned a
plane that crashed into a Northwest Austin office building. The house, in the 1800 block of Dapplegrey Lane close to Parmer Lane and Metric
Boulevard, was owned by Andrew Joseph Stack, records show.
There were no injuries in the blaze, and the house is total loss, officials
said.

Neighbors said they heard a loud noise that sounded like a car crash at about
9:15 a.m. and soon saw flames coming from house.
Neighbor Elbert Hutchins said he ran to the house while calling 911 and saw
flames coming out of an upstairs window. Soon he saw a woman and a girl drive up
in a car.
Neighbors believe that was Stack’s wife and daughter, who is about 12 years old.

The two are now believed to be in a neighbor’s house being assisted by the Red
Cross. When reporters went to the door, an FBI agent answered.
A Red Cross spokewoman would only say they are assisting two people who are
“remarkably calm, clearly distraught.” She said they are “physically fine.”

Dane Vick, whose home is behind Stack’s house, said he called 911 to report the
house fire. He described it as an explosion. “I heard a humongous boom,” he
said. Vick said he went to the house and yelled, “Anyone in there. Everyone OK?”
“There was no movement,” he said.He described the neighborhood as being made up of professionals and families.

Joseph Strazza, 22-year-old contractor, said he was driving down Metric
Boulevard when he saw smoke coming out of the eaves of the house.
He parked behind house, he said, then heard an explosion.
“It sounded like a small bomb going off,” Strazza said. He said the windows blew
out and flames started coming out of the roof.
Strazza said he then saw a man running out of house with little girl in his
arms. Fire crews arrived a short time later, Strazza said.

Howling Rainbows

Possibly by triangulating a GPS signal that his cell phone was putting out? Maybe they cross referenced cell phone GPS records and back tracked his phone locations to the plane and his house? I could see a scenario in my head where that might be possible using computers to crunch the data. Maybe the feds can differentiate between phones flying and driving because phones flying are not following highways?

It's also slightly hard for me to readily believe that a man would spend so much time writing up a manifesto like the one Stacks did. Suicide notes, if any are left at all, are usually very brief and to the point. Psychologically the act of committing yourself to suicide days in advance is somewhat rare. Fits of rage that would trigger something like flying a plane into a building aren't normally that elongated - by that time the victim in question has had the time to settle down into some form of rational thought.

So we have a seven page manifesto that took two days to compose. The manifesto resonates anger and frustrations, certainly - but I would tend to think most who fly into a non-cognitive fit of rage would be a little less articulate given the flurry of emotion, don't you?

The man was a computer engineer, no less. It appears by his listing of projects that they were pretty credible. I live with an engineer and have one in the family - they tend to be frustratingly methodical when it comes to, well, everything.

http://www.austin360.com/blogs/content/shared-gen/blogs/austin/blotter/entries/fire/



so "Elbert Hutchins" implies the wife and child were elsewhere when the fire started with a "loud noise".




they were being taken care of by the red cross and the FBI.
and they were "remarkably calm, clearly distraught.”
not sure how you can tell someone is "cleary distraught" when they are "remarkably calm".



sounds like an explosion and an empty house.



sounds like an explosion and a not-so-empty house.
and who is he refering to here?

it couldn't have been stack cuz he had a 9:40 flight to catch and he was 21 miles, 26 minutes from the airport.
any pilots got an estimation for the minimum time needed to get a plane out of the hangar, get the plane topped off, cranked and in the air?
http://www.mapquest.com/maps?1c=Austin& ... S:M:/bl:/e



3 named witnesses; Joseph Strazza, Dane Vick, Elbert Hutchins and 3 different stories.