Space.com article SUPPORTS Cydonia research

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Postby Perelandra » Sat Mar 13, 2010 9:48 pm

barracuda wrote:I don't really understand. Symbolism is culturally committed and individually attuned. If you won't waste your time why should I? Because you say your material is important, but won't say why? Let me be clear - this is an absolutely fundamental issue regarding your research. Perhaps the ONLY fundamental issue. If you are wrong about the symbolism of the geographical feature, you are wrong about the basic meaning of your research.

You say it's not esoteric, but you decline to share it. Instead, you wish to steer traffic to your site. As far as I can tell, so far it fits the definition perfectly: "understood by or meant for only the select few who have special knowledge or interest."

Here's John 14:6 - Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

You have changed a pronoun, presumably substituting the face on Mars for the person of Jesus. This facile heresy could use some explanation.
Thank you for these statements with which I agree. I would add that a noun has also been changed. Said changes pervert the ascribed words of Christ into some kind of creed regarding the "Face", which I find objectionable on a number of levels.

I'd also add that the supposed symbolism of the geographic features seems to be subjective interpretations of mirror images, which are then shaped into some sort of mythos cobbled together from various ancient earth-based characters and themes.

Cydonia is the PERFECT fusion or convergence of Science & Spirituality. Both of which share the common goal... truth.
I have a friend who says the same thing about the swastika.

It is a LINK to & ORIGIN of ALL our beliefs.
"Cydonia" is most certainly not the origin of world mythology and/or theology, if I understand your statement correctly.
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Postby 82_28 » Sat Mar 13, 2010 10:14 pm

There are MANY, but as I state MULTIPLE times throughout my research...

The first one I learned and still deem to be the most profound & significant...

There is truth in the light.


Sure, but you're still getting a major huh? outta me, Max.

It reminds me of a logic professor I had. I had a propensity to always throw in "you know" to everything I was saying when addressing her or the class. She always responded with "no, I don't know. It's your job to tell me". It was embarrassing, because she was right. You know?
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Postby Perelandra » Sat Mar 13, 2010 11:06 pm

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Postby Simulist » Sat Mar 13, 2010 11:08 pm

MaxtheKnife wrote:Usually... when I don't understand something... I have a bad habit of asking specific questions.

:shrug: Call me crazy. :)


Suit yourself. There is little convincing evidence that even you understand this material — if you did, you would explain it straightforwardly and without all the hocus pocus nonsense.

Unless, of course, hocus pocus nonsense is all that it is.

MaxtheKnife wrote:But I will answer this very basic question 4 u.

"what is that message?"

There are MANY, but as I state MULTIPLE times throughout my research...

The first one I learned and still deem to be the most profound & significant...

There is truth in the light.


Case in point.

There's also "peace and serenity in the light" — I know because I saw Poltergeist in 1982.
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Postby barracuda » Sat Mar 13, 2010 11:51 pm

:shrug: Call me crazy. :)


It's tempting, but i decline your invitation

MaxtheKnife wrote:Usually... when I don't understand something... I have a bad habit of asking specific questions.


Usually when I don't understand something I begin by examining premises in order to figure out why. And sometimes I ask the five double-you's as I began to do above, but was ignored and, as predicted, handed a cryptic aphorism.

So we differ there, but that's what makes horse racing.

The only reason I trust you enough to even have this conversation is because you haven't asked for my credit card number. As soon as that happens, though, we're through.

But I will answer this very basic question 4 u.

"what is that message?"

There are MANY, but as I state MULTIPLE times throughout my research...

The first one I learned and still deem to be the most profound & significant...

There is truth in the light.


...which, of course, is not very illuminating. Let me try once more: is there some reason you would rather not answer my questions?

And, just for the hell of it, a very specific one: how do you determine the exact angle of the satellite's camera with reference to perpendicular to the tangent of the planet surface?
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Postby wha? » Sun Mar 14, 2010 12:03 am

@max
did you run that synchromystic blog hidden agendas? cuz your pic looks just like that skaggs guy.
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Postby 17breezes » Sun Mar 14, 2010 12:14 am

Maybe it's something along these lines

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Postby Cosmic Cowbell » Sun Mar 14, 2010 2:31 am

Now Ziggy played guitar...

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Postby compared2what? » Sun Mar 14, 2010 2:57 am

More like...

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...surely?

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Postby MaxtheKnife » Sun Mar 14, 2010 10:57 am

Telegraph.co.uk article second to publish an article that supports an explicit prediction of Cydonia research.

Ah... a good question by barracuda: "how do you determine the exact angle of the satellite's camera with reference to perpendicular to the tangent of the planet surface?"

The answer is simple, really... check the ancillary data.

I've a better question for you.

How might one determine whether or not the ancillary data has be falsified?

Answer: Thorough detailed geometric analysis.
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Above taken from here.

Conclusion = inescapable... MSSS falsified their data.

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Re: Truth in the Light, 82_28 writes: "Sure, but you're still getting a major huh? outta me, Max."

I understand your confusion, 82_28. I've been shocked to learn most people are oblivious to this fundamental & universal truth.

I was fortunate to have been exposed to it at a very early age.

I go into detail about how I learned this inescapable truth here

Here is a copy and paste the relevant text:
I suppose it's about time I relayed this story.

Like with most good and caring fathers, Paul took responsibility for me in that he made sure his life experiences were instilled within me.

Because of the things he had to endure growing up in war torn and German occupied Poland, I probably gained a slight advantage over the average child.

It wasn't just the amazing stories I grew up listening to, rather what I was able to glean from them because of the uncanny strength my father possessed to rise above it all and learn from it because of his unbelievable ability to put things into... perspective.

That said, while my father would spend weekdays during the summer months working in Philadelphia, he always left early on Fridays to come down to our Maryland summer home.

Weekends with Tata were always filled with plenty of 'doing'.

Normally, on Saturday morning we would load up the boat and head towards the famous Assateague Island.

Back then, in the 1980s, Ocean City, Maryland wasn't nearly as crowded as it has become.

Even so, it was relatively crowded and one of the best kept secrets was, if you had a boat, to anchor off the northern bayside tip of Assateague and escape the crowds.

The worst part was having to wade in from the anchored boat to the beach enduring what always seemed to be a favorite nesting place for Maryland blue crabs.

I remember vividly being terrified of the crabs and clinging to my father's shoulders for dear life until we made it safely to the shore.

With only about a ten minute walk from there, we were soon on the ocean side of Assateague with a view of Ocean City's crowded Boardwalk amusement rides and a whole beautiful beach belonging almost exclusively to ourselves.

This was the place Paul loved most.

He often said, "When I die, this where I want my ashes to go.".

As fate would have it, not only were his ashes put in the ocean there according to his wish, it is also where he took his final breath.

Fate soon revealed those weren't the only meaningful things to happen there.

I was about 12 or 13 years old.

We were walking along the beach together and I remember wondering what direction, exactly, was our Pennsylvania home.

I knew from looking at maps that it was due north, so I asked my father.

Paul smiled and said, "Go get a stick".

He proceeded to teach me the procedure one can use to reliably determine direction using a vertical object, the Sun, and geometry.

I could tell from the excitement in his voice as he explained that there was a greater lesson about to be learned.

When we finished determining approximately where our Pennsylvania home was, he smiled and said, "Do you get it?".

I said, "yeah, I think so. It's that way."

He said, "No, when you get it, you'll know so. I'll give you a hint. That vertical stick represents you. And utilizing simple geometry, you just found True North... through the light."

The magnitude of what he was saying swept over me like a tidal wave.

My mouth fell open and I said softly, "There is Truth in the Light."

Then I quickly deduced, "And it can never be hidden from me".

He smiled and said, "And THAT, Max, is the BIGGEST secret of all.".

I learned virtually everything I will ever need to know about politics and truth versus belief in religion that hot summer day on a beach where the horses run free.


Remember... The foundation for every major religion is the simple concept of truth in the light.

What we've simply forgotten... this concept is ostensibly anchored in reality.

I hope this helps to clarify 4 u.

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Postby MaxtheKnife » Sun Mar 14, 2010 11:00 am

wha? wrote:@max
did you run that synchromystic blog hidden agendas? cuz your pic looks just like that skaggs guy.


No... never heard of it. :)
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Postby brainpanhandler » Sun Mar 14, 2010 11:11 am

Well, well, well... seems like RCH and I may not be so nutz afterall.


But yer still plenty nutz for me or at least that's what I'd prefer to believe.
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Postby barracuda » Sun Mar 14, 2010 2:46 pm

MaxtheKnife wrote:The answer is simple, really... check the ancillary data.


I see. And then you use the zenith viewing angle to perform an orthorectification in PhotoShop? My understanding from reading the Carlotto paper you linked to (as well as from twenty years of PS experience) is that such processing is at best a good estimation.

My primary issue with this entire subject though, Max, is that I don't think the face looks anything like a face at all.

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I mean really. There's a face there?

If the mesa hadn't been so poorly imaged during the early flyovers no one would have mentioned it at all. The higher resolutions provided by subsequent missions have shown the reality of the "image" inherent in the formation.

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MaxtheKnife wrote:Telegraph.co.uk article second to publish an article that supports an explicit prediction of Cydonia research.


Okay, you keep mentioning the existence of this prediction without saying what it is, or how it was ascertained. Why? Are you waiting for the properly dramatic entrée?
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Postby MaxtheKnife » Sun Mar 14, 2010 4:43 pm

My understanding from reading the Carlotto paper you linked to (as well as from twenty years of PS experience) is that such processing is at best a good estimation.

Not quite.

There is a proven scientific method for achieving 'ortho' data which Dr. Carlotto illustrates and describes neatly here (See appendix B).

I've already demonstrated in Rorschach that even upon the image you chose to make your point w/ (which is quantitatively speaking, i.e., lighting & angle, the WORST image from which to view a feature that is a face) the iconography remains.
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Futhermore... the old indian profile... No different from the 'Happy Face' crater. It is a logical fallacy to argue that it diminishes... in any way shape or form, the overwheming proof that is Cydonia.

And... since you seemed to have missed the point, here's a simple if/then question for you, Barracuda.

If The Face is of natural origin, then why would Malin deliberately falsify his data?

Hmm... I know why... :)
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Postby Penguin » Sun Mar 14, 2010 7:35 pm

Read some of your site one evening.
Looking at the pictures, Im sorry to say I fail to see symbols, or faces.

Otherwise Im rather agnostic on Mars.
I like the Asimov short story where men go to Mars, only to find out that we had originally left Mars for Earth after causing Martian biosphere to fail...

And of course PKD's "We Can Remember It for You Wholesale". (popularized by Schwarzenegger in Total Recall, of course)

You could try to say what you're getting at, though. We are simpletons, after all.

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