The creepiness that is Facebook

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Re: The creepiness that is Facebook

Postby Cordelia » Mon Mar 15, 2010 4:08 pm

DeltaDawn wrote:I joined Facebook to keep up with my son, his page told me more than he was haha!! Note: no apps or games are gone to, nor did I give them access to my address book when joining, or any other time. How friends are suggested doesn't seem odd, because thus far we've always had friends in common. My biggest disappointment has been how people/friends are, some are folks I only know in a chat room and they follow me around to other's walls and comment on what I've said to my kid, or neighbor etc. One guy won't speak to me, because he followed me on FB, and accused me of being someone I wasn't in chat, because I'd written wtf on someone's wall. I volunteer in the county and clients question me when I come to their houses about who so and so is from FB. It's a little like getting stalked but guess I asked for it because I joined it to spy on kid :(

What is a little creepy is because of the volunteer work, if someone from this county requests friends, I feel obligated in case I've met them and can't remember or they need me. BUT, I've got probably 5 or 6 people on there, that truly I don't have a clue who they are, aren't familiar with their interests etc. some send me flowers and hearts (that I don't accept) and aren't friends with any of my other FB buddies. How did they find me?? It would be easy enough to ask them how they know me I guess but who wants to pm someone with that question and let alone make a contact with them? My status is always about gardening or basketball, which doesn't encourage communication :)

Maybe it's not facebook that's creepy, maybe it's people :lol:


Hmmm, for reasons not readily at hand, reading your post just now makes me want to join, Delta. I'd kinda like the opportunity to turn down (or not) offers of hearts flowers, friends, etc.....
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Re: The creepiness that is Facebook

Postby dbcooper41 » Mon Mar 15, 2010 5:00 pm

if this has been said already forgive me but:
when you use the facebook "friend finder" ap it asks for your password. i asumed it meant my facebook pw so i tried that a few times.
but no, they want your email account password so they can best see who you might want to be friends with.
i declined and decided to forget using any facebook aps.
i imagine an awful lot of people gave out their email PWs.
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Re: The creepiness that is Facebook

Postby Cordelia » Mon Mar 15, 2010 5:09 pm

^^Wow. Can they really do that? I know someone who uses the same password for everything, and he'd naively give it out.

(Nah, on second thought I don't think I'll join.)
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Re: The creepiness that is Facebook

Postby Nordic » Mon Mar 15, 2010 5:29 pm

crikkett wrote:
Nordic wrote:David Fincher just finished shooting a movie about the origins of Facebook. Now why would that be? Why would anyone want to make a movie about the origins of Facebook?


I wonder if the movie makes a big deal that the precursor to Facebook was primed with data stolen from Harvard University Residences or how he used Facebook data to hack into reporters' private email accounts.

he decided to access the email accounts of Crimson editors and review their emails. How did he do this? Here's how Mark described his hack to a friend:

Mark used his site, TheFacebook.com, to look up members of the site who identified themselves as members of the Crimson. Then he examined a log of failed logins to see if any of the Crimson members had ever entered an incorrect password into TheFacebook.com. If the cases in which they had entered failed logins, Mark tried to use them to access the Crimson members' Harvard email accounts. He successfully accessed two of them.

In other words, Mark appears to have used private login data from TheFacebook to hack into the separate email accounts of some TheFacebook users.

In one account he accessed, Mark saw an email from Crimson writer Tim McGinn to Cameron, Tyler, and Divya. Another email Mark read was this one, from Crimson managing editor Elisabeth Theodore to Tim McGinn:

From: Elisabeth Susan Theodore
To: Timothy John McGinn
Subject: Re: Follow-up

OK, he did seem very sleazy. And I thought that some of his answers to the questions were not very direct or open. I also thought that his reactiont o the website was very very weird. But, even if it's true so what? It's an [redacted] thing ot od but it's not illegal, right?



Well, what's the old saying "behind every great fortune is a great crime" ?

Maybe not a "great" crime in this case, but a crime nonetheless.
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Re: The creepiness that is Facebook

Postby alwyn » Tue Mar 16, 2010 1:21 am

DeltaDawn wrote: BUT, I've got probably 5 or 6 people on there, that truly I don't have a clue who they are, aren't familiar with their interests etc. some send me flowers and hearts (that I don't accept) and aren't friends with any of my other FB buddies. How did they find me?? It would be easy enough to ask them how they know me I guess but who wants to pm someone with that question and let alone make a contact with them?

Maybe it's not facebook that's creepy, maybe it's people :lol:


I have professional associates who use facebook, as well as family and friends. Almost all my 'friends' have mutual friends in common, and we know who each other is (are?). Anyway, occasionally I do get a request from someone I don't know. I have no qualms at all about emailing them back, and say, Hi, I'm sorry, I don't seem to recall you. Can you please refresh my poor feeble memory? Sometimes I'm pleasantly surprised,and THEN friend them, and others just saw me on someones' page, or at work, and want 'in'. I usually don't link with people I don't know, except in rare cases when they have a good reason or story...

I don't do apps, play games, and my privacy settings are on high, only friends can view page, pics, etc. It seems to keep the app manageable. And fun. But I do waste far too much time on it...but it beats drugs, I guess...
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Re: The creepiness that is Facebook

Postby Maddy » Tue Mar 16, 2010 11:16 am

Now, you see, I'm the opposite. I get how its working, and I don't use it at all for anything personal. I only use it to play the legitimate games (and stay away from the advertisements, and all of the other stuff that isn't legitimate, that causes the issues). I don't trust them enough to put my personal stuff on there, as I know they have bots that read for keywords and so forth, and a policy that allows them to track down my isp if they don't like what I'm saying, and actually have the police called. So while I see it fine for gaming, I think its dangerous for personal stuff (more so than email, or IMs). If I put nothing personal on there, I have no worries.
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Re: The creepiness that is Facebook

Postby sunny » Tue Mar 16, 2010 12:52 pm

alwyn wrote:
DeltaDawn wrote:

I have professional associates who use facebook, as well as family and friends. Almost all my 'friends' have mutual friends in common, and we know who each other is (are?). Anyway, occasionally I do get a request from someone I don't know. I have no qualms at all about emailing them back, and say, Hi, I'm sorry, I don't seem to recall you. Can you please refresh my poor feeble memory? Sometimes I'm pleasantly surprised,and THEN friend them, and others just saw me on someones' page, or at work, and want 'in'. I usually don't link with people I don't know, except in rare cases when they have a good reason or story...

I don't do apps, play games, and my privacy settings are on high, only friends can view page, pics, etc. It seems to keep the app manageable. And fun. But I do waste far too much time on it...but it beats drugs, I guess...


I did that just this morning. Turned out he was the uncle of a friend of mine, whom I've only met once, so I went ahead and accepted him. Then immediately un-friended him when he filled my news feed with stupid spam.

Everyone who does the apps and games have constant problems with FB. I steer clear.
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Re: The creepiness that is Facebook

Postby dbcooper41 » Tue Mar 16, 2010 4:11 pm

http://www.eff.org/files/filenode/socia ... orking.pdf

CRM-200900732F
MAR 3 2010
Mr. James Tucker
Mr. Shane Witnov
Electronic Frontier Foundation
454 Shotwell Street
San Francisco, CA 94110
Dear Messrs Tucker and Witnov:
This is an interim response to your request dated October 6, 2009 for access to records
concerning "use of social networking websites (including, but not limited to Facebook, MySpace,
Twitter, Flickr and other online social media) for investigative (criminal or otherwise) or data
gathering purposes created since January 2003, including, but not limited to:
1) documents that contain information on the use of "fake identities" to "trick" users "into
accepting a [government] official as friend" or otherwise provide information to he government
as described in the Boston Globe article quoted
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Re: The creepiness that is Facebook

Postby Cordelia » Tue Mar 16, 2010 6:12 pm

Here's the one I think I'll join. http://fakefriends.me/
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Re: The creepiness that is Facebook

Postby Nordic » Tue Mar 16, 2010 7:41 pm

Cordelia wrote:Here's the one I think I'll join. http://fakefriends.me/


That's awesome. Hope they go somewhere with that. Right now it doesn't seem to do much.
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Re: The creepiness that is Facebook

Postby Cordelia » Tue Mar 16, 2010 8:04 pm

Nordic wrote:
Cordelia wrote:Here's the one I think I'll join. http://fakefriends.me/

That's awesome. Hope they go somewhere with that. Right now it doesn't seem to do much.[/quote]

All the more reason to join; no creepiness (yet). Come on Nordic, you can't have it all!
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Re: The creepiness that is Facebook

Postby DeltaDawn » Tue Mar 16, 2010 11:26 pm

Ohhhhhh Cordelia, just tooo damn funnnnyyyyyyy!!!!! Yeah me too, I'll join, after all have LOTS of those kinda friends.....sigh or ROFL?????
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Re: The creepiness that is Facebook

Postby Username » Thu Mar 18, 2010 4:59 am

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Break the law and your new Facebook 'friend' may be the FBI

By Richard Lardner
Associated Press

Mar 16, 2010


WASHINGTON: The Feds are on Facebook. And MySpace, LinkedIn and Twitter, too.

U.S. law enforcement agents are following the rest of the Internet world into popular social-networking services, going undercover with false online profiles to communicate with suspects and gather private information, according to an internal Justice Department document that offers a tantalizing glimpse of issues related to privacy and crime-fighting.

Think you know who's behind that ''friend'' request? Think again. Your new ''friend'' just might be the FBI.

The document, obtained in a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit, makes clear that U.S. agents are already logging on surreptitiously to exchange messages with suspects, identify a target's friends or relatives and browse private information such as postings, personal photographs and video clips.

Among other purposes: Investigators can check suspects' alibis by comparing stories told to police with tweets sent at the same time about their whereabouts. Online photos from a suspicious spending spree - people posing with jewelry, guns or fancy cars - can link suspects or their friends to robberies or burglaries.

The Electronic Frontier Foundation, a San Francisco-based civil liberties group, obtained the Justice Department document when it sued the agency and five others in federal court. The 33-page document underscores the importance of social networking sites to U.S. authorities. The foundation said it would publish the document on its Web site on Tuesday.

With agents going undercover, state and local police coordinate their online activities with the Secret Service, FBI and other federal agencies in a strategy known as ''deconfliction'' to keep out of each other's way.

''You could really mess up someone's investigation because you're investigating the same person and maybe doing things that are counterproductive to what another agency is doing,'' said Detective Frank Dannahey of the Rocky Hill, Conn., Police Department, a veteran of dozens of undercover cases.

A decade ago, agents kept watch over AOL and MSN chat rooms to nab sexual predators. But those text-only chat services are old-school compared with today's social media, which contain mountains of personal data, photographs, videos and audio clips - a potential treasure trove of evidence for cases of violent crime, financial fraud and much more.

The Justice Department document, part of a presentation given in August by top cybercrime officials, describes the value of Facebook, Twitter, MySpace, LinkedIn and other services to government investigators. It does not describe in detail the boundaries for using them.

''It doesn't really discuss any mechanisms for accountability or ensuring that government agents use those tools responsibly,'' said Marcia Hoffman, a senior attorney with the civil liberties foundation.

The group sued in Washington to force the government to disclose its policies for using social networking sites in investigations, data collection and surveillance.

Covert investigations on social-networking services are legal and governed by internal rules, according to Justice Department officials. But they would not say what those rules are.

The Justice Department document raises a legal question about a social-media bullying case in which U.S. prosecutors charged a Missouri woman with computer fraud for creating a fake MySpace account - effectively the same activity that undercover agents are doing, although for different purposes.

The woman, Lori Drew, helped create an account for a fictitious teen boy on MySpace and sent flirtatious messages to a 13-year-old neighborhood girl in his name. The girl hanged herself in October 2006, in a St. Louis suburb, after she received a message saying the world would be better without her.

A jury in California, where MySpace has its servers, convicted Drew of three misdemeanor counts of accessing computers without authorization because she was accused of violating MySpace's rules against creating fake accounts. But last year a judge overturned the verdicts, citing the vagueness of the law.

''If agents violate terms of service, is that 'otherwise illegal activity'?'' the document asks. It doesn't provide an answer.

Facebook's rules, for example, specify that users ''will not provide any false personal information on Facebook, or create an account for anyone other than yourself without permission.'' Twitter's rules prohibit its users from sending deceptive or false information. MySpace requires that information for accounts be ''truthful and accurate.''

A former U.S. cybersecurity prosecutor, Marc Zwillinger, said investigators should be able to go undercover in the online world the same way they do in the real world, even if such conduct is barred by a company's rules. But there have to be limits, he said.

In the face-to-face world, agents can't impersonate a suspect's spouse, child, parent or best friend. But online, behind the guise of a social-networking account, they can.

''This new situation presents a need for careful oversight so that law enforcement does not use social networking to intrude on some of our most personal relationships,'' said Zwillinger, whose firm does legal work for Yahoo and MySpace.

Undercover operations aren't necessary if the suspect is reckless. Federal authorities nabbed a man wanted on bank fraud charges after he started posting Facebook updates about the fun he was having in Mexico.

Maxi Sopo, a native of Cameroon living in the Seattle area, apparently slipped across the border into Mexico in a rented car last year after learning that federal agents were investigating the alleged scheme. The agents initially could find no trace of him on social media sites, and they were unable to pin down his exact location in Mexico. But they kept checking and eventually found Sopo on Facebook.

While Sopo's online profile was private, his list of friends was not. Assistant U.S. Attorney Michael Scoville began going through the list and was able to learn where Sopo was living. Mexican authorities arrested Sopo in September. He is awaiting extradition to the U.S.

The Justice document describes how Facebook, MySpace and Twitter have interacted with federal investigators: Facebook is ''often cooperative with emergency requests,'' the government said. MySpace preserves information about its users indefinitely and even stores data from deleted accounts for one year. But Twitter's lawyers tell prosecutors they need a warrant or subpoena before the company turns over customer information, the document says.

''Will not preserve data without legal process,'' the document says under the heading, ''Getting Info From Twitter ... the bad news.''

Twitter did not respond to a request for comment for this story.

The chief security officer for MySpace, Hemanshu Nigam, said MySpace doesn't want to be the company that stands in the way of an investigation.

''That said, we also want to make sure that our users' privacy is protected and any data that's disclosed is done under proper legal process,'' Nigam said.

MySpace requires a search warrant for private messages less than six months old, according to the company.

Facebook spokesman Andrew Noyes said the company has put together a handbook to help law enforcement officials understand ''the proper ways to request information from Facebook to aid investigations.''

The Justice document includes sections about its own lawyers. For government attorneys taking cases to trial, social networks are a ''valuable source of info on defense witnesses,'' they said. ''Knowledge is power. ... Research all witnesses on social networking sites.''

But the government warned prosecutors to advise their own witnesses not to discuss cases on social media sites and to ''think carefully about what they post.''

It also cautioned federal law enforcement officials to think prudently before adding judges or defense counsel as ''friends'' on these services.

''Social networking and the courtroom can be a dangerous combination,'' the government said.
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Re: The creepiness that is Facebook

Postby Maddy » Thu Mar 18, 2010 11:17 am

^^ Why I won't use Facebook for real, personal stuff. Also:

5. How We Share Information wrote:To respond to legal requests and prevent harm. We may disclose information pursuant to subpoenas, court orders, or other requests (including criminal and civil matters) if we have a good faith belief that the response is required by law. This may include respecting requests from jurisdictions outside of the United States where we have a good faith belief that the response is required by law under the local laws in that jurisdiction, apply to users from that jurisdiction, and are consistent with generally accepted international standards. We may also share information when we have a good faith belief it is necessary to prevent fraud or other illegal activity, to prevent imminent bodily harm, or to protect ourselves and you from people violating our Statement of Rights and Responsibilities. This may include sharing information with other companies, lawyers, courts or other government entities.


Meaning they have access through Eschelon type bots, which read keywords, and report them. I am sure I have enough to worry about without having any more programs reading my keywords. Though, in sincerity, this is now all over the computer, not just Facebook. I suspect I've had emails read, through Yahoo, due to the time its taken them to arrive at their destination, and the ping points they've had. Any time you put any word on the computer some bot is going to read it. But this is just why I won't use Facebook any longer for anything personal. Once you put something on the internet, its not yours, and its there for eternity! :P But the point is they do not have to have proof to share anything they read, if they only see certain words come up, they can and will call someone and act upon what they believe, by tracking you down through your ISP, which is the only way they can do it, whether its true/right or not. This is the reason I do not share anything personal on Facebook. I suggest others don't either.
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Re: The creepiness that is Facebook

Postby Cordelia » Thu Mar 18, 2010 11:35 am

Username wrote: Break the law and your new Facebook 'friend' may be the FBI

Here's another example, in this case, how some insurance companies are following their customers' claims on FB.

"A Quebec woman on long-term sick leave is fighting to have her benefits reinstated after her employer's insurance company cut them, she says, because of photos posted on Facebook." http://www.cbc.ca/canada/montreal/story ... efits.html
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